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Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-4913594031335491382013-07-28T06:36:00.003-07:002013-07-28T06:36:56.976-07:00IESM GOVERNING BODY TERMINATES THE PRIMARY MEMBERSHIP OF LT GEN RAJ KADYAN..<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<b><span style="background: white; color: grey; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">IESM GOVERNING BODY TERMINATES THE PRIMARY MEMBERSHIP OF LT
GEN RAJ KADYAN....Brig CS Kamboj..Report My Signal</span><span style="color: grey; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"><br />
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<span style="background: white;">26 Jul 2013.</span><br />
<span style="background: white;">Dear Veterans,</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow"><span style="background: white;">Jai Hind.</span><span style="background: white;"><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Dear Members,</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">I am deeply pained to circulate the email below,
received from Gp Capt VK Gandhi, Secretary General IESM.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">However, the action taken by the IESM Governing
Body is correct and it should have been taken long time ago.</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Governing Body IESM continued to persuade Lt Gen
Kadyan to mend his ways but, due to his ulterior motives and some carrot
hanging somewhere, he continued on the course adopted by him to destroy IESM.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Five years ago Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Maj Gen Satbir
Singh with increasingly very large support from ESM located from North to South
of India from East to West of India, started IESM with great josh and efforts.
Rightly, within six months of its raising IESM became a force to reckon.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">While many other ESM organisation have been working
hard and are still working hard to resolve problems of ESM and families, but
the approach adopted by IESM made greater success in a short time.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">The UPA Government became visibly scared of the
ways of operations of IESM. Many requests, directly and indirectly came to IESM
saying don’t do this or that – IESM carried on fearlessly.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">UPA Government has been looking for ways and means
to destroy IESM as it destroyed many other movements. IESM leadership stood
firmly against such attempts till one of its stalwarts saw some very attractive
carrot hanging in front of him. This happened about two years ago.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">For over two years I have been receiving very
reliable information from many sources that Kadyan has been given a specific
task to achieve. His behaviour in the IESM Governing Meetings was also
confirming those inputs. I warned many senior members of IESM about it – but
they would not believe me.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">The true colours of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan became
apparent to the Governing Body IESM in Dec 2012. The story beyond Dec 2012 has
been well related by Gp Capt Gandhi in his email below.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Kadyan is playing very dirty trick of creating a
divide among the officers, JCOs and OR among the ESM and families with a view
to destroy their joint power to fight against injustice by the UPA Government and
thus quickly reach the carrot hanging in front of him.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">I am very sure that with the expulsion of Lt Gen
Kadyan major hurdles in the way of IESM are out. IESM have the will power and
resources and with help from you all – IESM will be able to come over the
hurdles that Kadyan will now openly generate to ensure that he receives the
carrot promised to him by highly placed personalities.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">A sad day in the history of ESM and families of
India.</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Please remember with support from you ALL, IESM
will regain its lost ground. So go all out to support IESM.</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">JAI BHARAT – JAI JAWAN.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">In service of Indian Military Veterans &
Families</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Chander Kamboj</span><br />
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<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">From: Vinod Gandhi <vk_gandhi yahoo.com=""></vk_gandhi></span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Date: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:12 AM</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Subject: [IESM_Group:648] IESM PROBLEM SITUATION</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">To: indianveterans <indianveterans wbr="" yahoogroups.co="">m>,
IESM GROUP <iesm_group googlegroups.com=""></iesm_group></indianveterans></span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">IESM PROBLEM SITUATION..</span><br />
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<span class="textexposedshow">Dear Members</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">By now you must be aware that all is not well in
IESM. It is my duty to keep facts in front of all members so that members can
make their own opinion. At the outset I ask for your patience for a bit long
mail but I cannot help since I want to bring all facts in-front of veterans</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">IESM has been in operation since last five years.
The accounts of IESM had been regularly audited and presented to all veterans
every year in AGM. All queries raised by veterans are answered satisfactorily.
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had been signing the balance sheet for the last five years
and had never raised any objection. Monthly income and expenditure statements
are being made as per rules and are available in the office for all to check.
Lt Gen Raj Kadyan had access to all accounts as all other members of GB and all
members of IESM. GB IESM invites all veterans to come and check the accounts
which are available in the office. GB had not agreed to put the accounts on the
website as demanded by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan as GB felt that Internet is not a safe
medium such sensitive information. Any constructive suggestion would be taken
and incorporated in the accounting procedure. Yes IESM Gov Body had refused to
pay the transportation charges of veterans who came from Jhajjhar for casting
their votes and attending the AGM on 2 Dec 2012, as it is against the rules of
the AGM and elections. This has probably infuriated Lt Gen Raj Kadyan because
he had to pay Rs 18000/ from his pocket to these veterans who were called by
him to vote for him and his candidates. Accounts of IESM are being kept as per
rules and will be projected for scrutiny of all members in coming AGM planned
on 20 Oct 2013 at AVCC Sector 37 Noida.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">The problem in IESM started about two years back
when members of GB pointed out to the Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he had been
visiting Defense Minister all alone and then issuing Sitreps to the
environment. GB members advised Lt Gen Raj Kadyan on many occasions that it
must be delegation of IESM who should meet the RM and other officials to present
the problems of veterans. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan refused this simple request and
termed those meeting as his personal meetings and confirmed that he meets RM
for many problems and also discusses the IESM issues and he would continue
meeting him alone. We all know the outcome of these meetings! I can say with
conviction that veterans and widows were not benefited in any way. But he
continued visiting RM by himself and kept mentioning it in Sitreps. This issue
was considered too insignificant to bring to the notice of environment. However
GB members communicated their opposition to the stand of Lt Gen Kadyan.
Veterans noticed the slant towards praise of the Govt in Sitreps in last few
months and discussed with GB members. Many veterans expressed their apprehensions
that this change in the outlook of Sitreps is not a healthy sign for our fight
for Justice and OROP.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">GB members had been discussing in meetings that
IESM delegation must meet three the chiefs of armed forces and explain to them
problems of veterans so that Armed Force HQs understand our problems and
veterans would know the stand of HQs on veterans’ issues. Lt Gen Kadyan kept
steam rolling this suggestion and refused to meet the three Chiefs. Then,
suddenly one day he informed the GB that he had met the CNS. GB members
questioned about this visit and asked why did he visit CNS alone? He had no
reply and gave flimsy reasons that there was no time to inform any GB member.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Sometimes in April 12 Army HQs informed Maj Gen
Satbir Singh, Vice Chairman IESM, that a rally of veterans has been organized
in village Palra in Jhajjhar dist on 16 May 12. COAS Gen VK Singh would address
the veterans in the rally. The issue was discussed by the GB and a decision was
taken that IESM will wholeheartedly only take part in the rally and would
ensure a very large gathering for the rally. To the utter surprise of GB, Lt
Gen Kadyan vehemently opposed participation of IESM and veterans in the rally.
GB members over-ruled (single dissention) his objection and decided that IESM will
lend full support to the rally as this rally would bring many- fold advantages
to the veterans. Veterans would get a chance to meet COAS and explain their
problems first hand and, veterans would get to sort out their pension problems
and ECHS problems as Army HQs had arranged all specialists to attend to the
problems of veterans, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued opposing IESM participation
and even published in newspapers and asked veterans to boycott the rally. Lt
Gen Kadyan even gave statements against the then COAS Gen VK Singh that he was
using this rally to build up his image. This statement of Lt Gen Kadyan against
Gen VK Singh was shocking and to say the least vey shameful. He went a step
ahead and threatened GB members that he would not sanction any funds for the
rally. It was surprising to hear this from the Chairman. IESM did not spend any
funds on this rally. The rally was a huge success and veterans were a happy lot
to mingle with the brother soldiers and felt elated. Many veterans could
resolve their pension problems as CDA officials were present to provide instant
replies. On the day of the rally, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan suddenly decided to attend
the rally and insisted that he would speak on behalf of IESM. Army authorities
had by then sensed the real intent of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan that he would use his
position and create disturbance in the rally. He was not permit him to speak.
Later on it was revealed that intelligence inputs had indicated that Lt Gen Raj
Kadyan came to malign the rally and speak against the then COAS Gen VK Singh.
It was not difficult to put the two and two together of his real intent. Lt Gen
Raj Kadyan was well known to speak against Gen VK Singh in every TV interview
and used all his vocabulary to speak against Gen VK Singh. He was using his
position to make a constituency for himself and make his image on the TV shows.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">GB members smelled the rat and advised Lt Gen Raj
Kadyan to avoid misusing his position but he did not heed to the advice. Even
the 'MOA' of IESM clearly lays down that decision in the GB meetings will be
taken by 'Majority' view. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan continued disregarding the majority
decision of the GB. Many a times it was pointed out in GB meeting and decision
taken by GB was recorded that decision taken by GB would be final and all must
abide by the decision. His continuous disregard and willful defiance of GB
decisions had started troubling GB members.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">IESM announced a grand rally on 1 Dec 2012 and AGM
and election to GB on 2 December 12. The rally was attended by more than 5000
veterans from 14 states. Many speakers expressed their views. Vice Chairman spoke
about the achievements and future plans of IESM. It was surprising to hear
Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan speak against the official thinking of the IESM to
the audience. The issues brought out by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan surprised all and
brought out the differences in the GB in open. Surprisingly Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
did not deem it necessary to discuss the issues with GB members before bringing
it out in public glare thus lowering the image of IESM in the eyes of veterans.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Brig OP Marwaha and Col VK Sekhri were requested to
conduct the election of IESM GB planned for 2 Dec 12. The team had conducted
the previous elections of IESM in 2010 and were regarded very fair in
conducting elections. 24 nomination papers were received by the election team
(Five for the appointments in GB and 19 for the post of member GB). Election
team found mistakes in many forms and approved only 11 nomination forms for the
post of member GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan met Chief election Officer and attempted
to influence him in favor of four contestants. Chief Election Officer confirmed
to him that he would conduct the elections as per rules of Election Commission
and prevalent traditions. The results were announced as the approved nomination
papers were less than the vacancies in the GB. Lt Gen Raj Kadyan announced to
the audience that he was not in agreement with the elections and he suggested
re-elections thus creating disturbance in the meeting. He also once again
touched upon the issues which had till then not been discussed in the GB. Lt Gen
Kadyan thus once again brought the differences in the GB to the public without
even discussing in the GB. Four contestants whose nomination papers were
rejected by the Chief Election Officer then sent representation to the
Registrar Societies, Haryana Chandigarh. The Registrar Societies had fixed 4
Apr 13 as date of hearing. Chairman Lt Gen Raj Kadyan and Gen Sec Gp Capt VK
Gandhi were respondents in the complaint. Governing Body IESM took a decision
that the IESM would be represented by Maj Gen AJB Jaini, Gp Capt VK Gandhi and
Cdr SS Ahuja and no other member will attend the hearing on 4 Apr 13 from IESM.
This decision was communicated to Lt Gen Raj Kadyan who had not attended the
meeting in which this decision was taken. He not only attended the hearing, against
the resolution of GB, but also argued in favor of the petitioners. This action
on part of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan brought in open his plan to induct some members
who would take his side in GB meetings and he would be able to get his views
through the GB. This is for the information of veterans that Gov Body had
sensed a tilt in favor of Govt in the behavior of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan. GB members
were therefore very critical of his suggestions and most of his suggestions
were over-ruled with only one vote in favor of his suggestion and rest voting
against his opinion. This is probably the reason that Lt Gen Kadyan wanted to
fill the GB with his YES men but failed because of mistakes on the part of his
men in filling the forms. Director Societies in his order has asked IESM to
amend the MOA and increase strength of GB members from present 17 to 21 with a
view to accommodate the four complainants. IESM has already formed a committee
to amend the MOA and is planning to bring the amendments in the forthcoming
AGM.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Lt Gen Kadyan has now called for Emergency General
Meeting (EGM) on 28 July 13 without discussing the matter in the GB. There is
no provision in the MOA of the IESM for Chairman to call for an EGM. IESM had
already planned the AGM on 20 Oct 13 and is in the process of announcing to the
environment. It is therefore difficult to understand the urgency of the EGM
when regular AGM has already been planned on 20 Oct unless there is an ulterior
motive of forcibly taking over control of GB. It is not difficult to notice the
powers working behind this move. IESM has become a thorn in the eyes of Govt
because Govt has not done justice with the veterans. This is the only to put
brakes on the activities of IESM. Therefore, this meeting has been declared
illegal by IESM.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">In view of constant defiance of GB decisions by Lt
Gen Kadyan, and specially attending the hearing in the office of The Registrar
Societies on 4 April 13 totally against the resolution of GB, Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
was asked in writing on 25 April the reasons for his defiance of GB decision
and asked to reply by 1 May 13. He replied that he would send his reply by 7
May 13. His reply was not received by the due date. He was then issued a Show
Cause Notice on 15 July and was asked to send his justification latest by 25
July 13. Once again the reply has not been received by the due date. In-spite
of coming clean and giving justification of his anti IESM action, he has
decided to confront the GB and MOA and has announced an EGM with the help of
disgruntled veterans. He is also attempting to create a rift in officers, JCOs
and ORs where in-fact there is none. There is one important question which
every veteran is asking, “How much veterans have befitted from his friendship
with the Defence Minister? The answer probably is that NIL. Pension of widows
also could not be increased with his clout.</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Governing Body of IESM met on 25 July 13 and
deliberated on this situation and came to the conclusion that Lt Gen Raj Kadyan
has no justification for his action against the collective will of GB. He has
been constantly acting against the majority decision of GB. Because of constant
defiance of GB and lowering the image of IESM by Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, his primary
membership of IESM has been terminated by the GB under the powers vested in GB
under clause 7 (d) (vi) of MOA. His primary membership of IESM has been
terminated with immediate effect.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">This is a very sad decision that primary membership
of the erstwhile Chairman had to be terminated because of his constant actions
against the majority decisions of the Governing Body and acting against the
interest of IESM.</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Regards</span><br />
<br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Gen Sec IESM</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">L - 48, Sector - 25,</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">NOIDA. 201301</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Tele no 01204313951</span><br />
<span class="textexposedshow">Mobile 09810541222</span><br />
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<b><span style="color: red;">KARGIL DIVAS IS APPROACHING FAST......HOW MANY VETERANS BOTH YOUNG AND OLD REMEMBER IT...OUR HEROES BATRA / THAPAR /ENDLESS NAMES...ETC ETC...</span></b><br />
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<b> I've known Ashu for little over a year--we did the NLP course together. Now migrated to the US. As far as I know she does not have a military connection. </b><br />
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<b>I FOUND MY GOD IN KARGIL (by Ashu Lobo-Desai)</b><br />
<b> by Ashu Lobo-Desai (Notes) on Monday, May 27, 2013 at 12:09am</b><br />
<b> (I composed this soon after the Kargil war and would like to re-dedicate it to the Universal Soldier on Memorial Day with gratitude, respect and love)</b><br />
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<b> “Are you a Christian? Hindu? Muslim?” they asked;</b><br />
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<b> I replied that I was none,</b><br />
<b> All I wished was to find my God,</b><br />
<b> So help me anyone;</b><br />
<b> For I’d looked in churches, temples, mosques</b><br />
<b> And never found Him there;</b><br />
<b> Tried prayer books and prayer beads,</b><br />
<b> I’d searched just everywhere.</b><br />
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<b> But I found my God in Kargil,</b><br />
<b> In fact, I find Him every day.</b><br />
<b> After the night’s long shelling bursts</b><br />
<b> He brings the sun out to play.</b><br />
<b> He helps us carry the wounded men</b><br />
<b> Down the treacherous slopes;</b><br />
<b> He pulls back our shoulders and lifts up our chins</b><br />
<b> He fills us with faith and hope.</b><br />
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<b> He is there when we fill up the body-bags</b><br />
<b> With comrades who have died;</b><br />
<b> And gives us the words of comfort to soothe</b><br />
<b> The soldier’s widowed bride.</b><br />
<b> He’s there when land-mines dismember friends</b><br />
<b> And tells us it has to be – </b><br />
<b>A few have to suffer and some to die</b><br />
<b> For millions to be free.</b><br />
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<b> Setting up night ambushes,</b><br />
<b> When it’s too dark for me to see,</b><br />
<b> I feel His loving, guiding hands</b><br />
<b> Reassuring me.</b><br />
<b> I see Him as one loaf we share</b><br />
<b> In cheerful selfless toil,</b><br />
<b> As we onward march with fearless gaze</b><br />
<b> Refusing to recoil.</b><br />
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<b> He is there as we bow our heads in prayer</b><br />
<b> Before an assault new;</b><br />
<b> He is there in the parent’s tearful call:</b><br />
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<b> “Son, I’m proud of you!”</b><br />
<b>War-widows, orphans – children of war…</b><br />
<b>I often ask God :”Why?”</b><br />
<b>I understand so clearly now</b><br />
<b> As I stare at the fire-lit sky.</b><br />
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<b> The young boy who had searched for God</b><br />
<b> In vain, in the recent past,</b><br />
<b> Became a man in Kargil, and,</b><br />
<b> Had found His God at last!</b></div>
Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-74721560157504909882013-05-28T02:49:00.001-07:002013-05-28T02:49:08.300-07:00Navy pension issues.......Samadhan by Cdr R Pathak..in..some solutions..???<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<b>Dear Sir</b><br />
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<b>Samadhan was set up to resolve problems of veteran sailors and i hope officers too.</b><br />
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<b>My dealing with the Samadhan scheme is not a very good experience.Samadhan mails to Navy Pensions and that is where the matter rests.For months on end there is no responds from Navy Pension. </b><br />
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<b>When any one complaints on Samadhan email there is no complaint number given nor is there a means to check status.</b><br />
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<b>It is also probably time to re look at functioning of DESA and make it in line with that of Directorate of Air Veterans so that we have a single agency dealing with all matters concerning the Veterans(Officers and Sailors)</b><br />
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<b>Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N. (Retd)</b><br />
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<b>1 Surashri,1146 Lakaki Road</b><br />
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<b>Dear All,</b><br />
<b> 1 yes I had spoken to the AG this morning.I wish the construction and tech details of ingeniously produced stents should have been circulated in the environments for gen acceptability beforre introduction as part of approved procedure for ECHS.</b><br />
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<b>Just imagine an ESM LYING ON anOperation table and Dr asks the patient or NOK INDIAN OR FOREIGN STENT? What should be the ans is not difficult to assess.Some super speciality Hospitals may not be using the Indian stents. </b><br />
<b><br /></b><b>Has MD ECHS confirmed from all empeneled hospitals and also from all non empeneled hospitals in the country where in an EMERGENCY an ESM needing stenting will be taken.If that hospital does not use Indian stent, WHO WILL PAY FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN COST? WHY ARE WE MAKING THINGS DIFFICULT FOR VATERAN Soldiers?</b><br />
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<b>2 For Md echs--why don't you please brief the true picture about the empeneled hospitals in the country? Over 80 Percent of the empeneled hospitals have withdrawn from theECHS for delay:/non payments of their bills and also the LOW RATES OF ECHS.Please tell me even ONE HOSPITAL IN THE COUNTRY(SUPER SPECIALITY) which is ready to be empeneled at ECHS rates.</b><br />
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<b>3 These are the matters affecting the life of ESM and decisions on such matters should be arrived at after due deleberations.Vested commercial intersts of a few individuals must not be allowed to prevail.</b><br />
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<b>4 Please ALLOT SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR ECHS AND RUN IT EFFICIENTLY.</b><br />
<b> AS IT IS POOR QUALITY OF MEDICINES/NON AVAILABILITY OF ESSENTIAL MEDICINES IS CAUSING HARDSHIPS TO THE ESM.</b><br />
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<b>Regards. </b><br />
<b>Maj Gen Satbir Singh, VC, IESM</b><br />
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<b>On 21 May 2013 14:28, "Veterans Cell" <armyveteranscell gmail.com="">wrote:</armyveteranscell></b><br />
<b> Dear General Satbir,</b><br />
<b> I believe you had a discussion with the AG on some ECHS issues.The AG had a word with MD who explained that indigenous stunts have been approved by Indian Council of Medical Association. These are safe and meet the medical requirement / standards besides being much cheaper as compared to imported stunts. The downward revision in the approved rates is due to this reason. The MD also explained that a patient can opt for imported stunts but will have the bear the difference in the cost. As regard the issue of empaneled hospitals in Mumbai, there was only one empaneled hospital - Hira Nandani who had opted out due to approved rates as applicable in CGHS being low and delayed payments. We also did not have any Regional Centre at Mumbai which was the responsibility of the Navy. The Regional Centre is now operational and they are shortlisting hospitals for empanelment. We are hopeful that the situation will improve shortly. Best Regards.</b><br />
<b> Anil Chauhan</b><br />
<b> Brig</b><br />
<b> DDG Veterans</b></div>
Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-8795108513284760452012-12-04T03:59:00.000-08:002012-12-04T03:59:12.549-08:00People misled into believing corruption in defence services is endemic..posted by Brig V Mahalingam (Retired) <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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People misled into believing corruption in defence services is endemic<br /> ********************************************************<br /><br /> Dear All,<br /><br /> Kindly go through my article titled "People misled into believing corruption in defence services is endemic<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><div class="text_exposed_show">
" in the Times of India Blogs at the following link.<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/In-search-of-propriety/entry/people-misled-into-believing-corruption-in-defence-services-is-endemic" rel="nofollow nofollow" target="_blank">http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/In-search-of-propriety/entry/people-misled-into-believing-corruption-in-defence-services-is-endemic</a><br /><br /> I would request you all to kindly put down your comments under the Blog as I believe it would add value to what I have written.<br /><br /> Regards,<br /><br /> Brigadier V Mahalingam (Retired)<br /> pattamalu@gmail.com</div>
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Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-72805544612969294452012-11-25T23:35:00.002-08:002012-11-25T23:36:03.786-08:00INVITATION VETERANS RALLY AT JANTAR MANTAR.NEW DELHI...01 DEC 2012<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<b><u>DEFENCE VETERANS WILL CONTINUE COUNTRYWIDE MOVEMENT AGAINST GOVERNMENT APATHY</u></b> <b><u>VISHALEX SERVICEMEN RALLY AT JANTAR MANTAR, NEW DELHI ON 01 DEC 2012- 10 AM </u></b><u></u><u></u></div>
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<span lang="EN-IN">Dear Veterans <wbr></wbr> Dated : 23 Nov 2012</span><u></u><u></u></div>
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<span lang="EN-IN">Invitation letter to Media regarding Vishal Ex Servicemen Rally at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi on 01 Dec 2012 from 10 AM to 3 PM dated 23 Nov 2012 is enclosed herewith for your information and wide circulation/publication please.</span><u></u><u></u></div>
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Jai Hind!!<u></u><u></u></div>
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With Warm Regards, <u></u><u></u></div>
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Yours Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></div>
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<b><u>DEFENCE VETERANS WILL CONTINUE COUNTRYWIDE MOVEMENT AGAINST GOVERNMENT APATHY</u></b> <b><u>VISHAL EX SERVICEMEN RALLY AT JANTAR MANTAR, NEW DELHI ON 01 DEC 2012- 10 AM </u></b><u></u><u></u></div>
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1. Peeved by continued apathy of the Government towards their genuine demands, the Defence Veterans plan to continue their protests across the country. As part of it, an Ex Servicemen Rally will be held at Jantar Mantar, New Delhi on 01 Dec 2012 from 10 AM to 3 PM.<u></u><u></u></div>
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2. One Rank One Pension (OROP) is a four decades old demand of Defence Veterans. It implies <b>“Defence Personnel with the same rank and same length of service must draw the same pension irrespective of the date of retirement”.</b> However despite most political parties declaring support for it, and despite many Committees on Defence recommending implementation of OROP for Defence Veterans, the Government has not implemented it. <u></u><u></u></div>
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3. Unfortunately this is not an isolated case of neglect of Defence veterans’ interests. Many Governmental actions relating to Veteran affairs indicate an institutional indifference and perhaps willful design that is both alarming and demotivating. Consider the following:<u></u><u></u></div>
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a. The ridiculous situation wherein a Major General draws a pension lower than that of a Lieutenant Colonel- three ranks lower in the hierarchy.<u></u><u></u></div>
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b. A Havildar drawing a pension less than that of a Sepoy, which is a much junior rank? <u></u><u></u></div>
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c. A Lieutenant General drawing almost the same pension as a Colonel or a Brigadier, ranks that are junior. <u></u><u></u></div>
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d. While all Central Govt employees have been given three Assured Career Progressions by the 6<sup>th</sup> CPC, the same has been <b><u>denied</u></b> to the “Sepoy” who is compulsorily retired after 15 – 17 years of service and the Assured Career progression to Defence persons are authorized after 8, 16, 24 years of service. Is it not Gross injustice that a Sepoy is not granted the financial benefit of 3<sup>rd</sup> Career Progression before retirement to enable him to get the pension accordingly? <u></u><u></u></div>
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e. Non-inclusion of Defence Services in even benefits like Non Functional Upgrades, made applicable to all other Government services EXCEPT Defence Services. <u></u><u></u></div>
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f. Widows of Defence personnel are invariably left out of accretions in Pensions announced for JCO/OR. <u></u><u></u></div>
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g. An amazing 39 serious anomalies have arisen in the implementation of even the 6<sup>th</sup> Central Pay Commission, causing grave injustice to the Defence Personnel in their status and thus inter-se equation with other Central Services, pay and pensions. <u></u><u></u></div>
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h. Non implementation of the ‘Rank Pay’ awarded holistically by the Fourth Pay Commission, despite a recent court order.<u></u><u></u></div>
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i. Periodically falsely claiming grants and benefits to Defence Veterans, without them being granted. <u></u><u></u></div>
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j. Contesting all judicial orders / rulings favoring Defence Veterans.<u></u><u></u></div>
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k. Non-inclusion of Uniformed fraternity even in committees set up over matters directly affecting them.<u></u><u></u></div>
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4. It appears that our Government does not respect the sacrifices made by a soldier-who does not think twice before making the supreme sacrifice. This is a very unfortunate state of affairs. <u></u><u></u></div>
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5. As you are aware, Defence Veterans have been depositing their medals with the President to protest the Government’s apathy towards them. 22000 medals have already been thus deposited. Following the Rally on 1 December, the next tranche’ of approximately ten thousand medals will first be taken around to various locations in NCR <a href="http://www.blogger.com/null" name="13b374f9709381e1_13b2beb5c6053f28_13b2be69802c506b__GoBac"></a>before being taken to Rashtrapati Bhawan, to make our countrymen aware of the injustice meted out to Defence Veterans.<u></u><u></u></div>
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6. IESM has great pleasure in inviting you to please attend the rally on 1 Dec 2012 from 10 AM on, and experience firsthand, the angst of the Defence Veterans community. <u></u><u></u></div>
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Jai Hind!!<u></u><u></u></div>
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With Warm Regards, <wbr></wbr> <wbr></wbr> <u></u><u></u></div>
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Yours Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></div>
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<b>Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM <wbr></wbr> </b> <wbr></wbr> <u></u><u></u></div>
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Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-717002172059543452012-10-26T03:44:00.001-07:002012-10-26T03:58:30.812-07:00HEALTH CARE EX SERVICEMEN: ECHS PROBLEMS <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> Letter to RM, three Chiefs and MD ECHS regarding Health Care Ex Servicemen : ECHS problems needing immediate redressal is circulated herewith for further circulation please.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> <wbr></wbr> <wbr></wbr> </span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Email: <a href="mailto:satbirsm@gmail.com" target="_blank">satbirsm@gmail.com</a></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> Defence Minister</span></b><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">1. The ex servicemen contributory health scheme (ECHS) has been in existence for a decade. While it has to an extent ameliorated the healthcare problems of defence veterans, some glaring shortcomings exist. Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) has been actively interacting with defence veterans across India to gain first hand inputs of their experience with ECHS. By now we have enough inputs about these shortcomings, which<span style="color: red;"> </span>have been brought to the notice of the Govt, the three Chiefs, AG and MD ECHS on numerous occasions. Assurances have been given a number of times for redressal of the problems but most of the cases under process which will address some of the inadequacies are still lying in various offices. If expeditious actions are taken to accord the required sanctions, the ECHS health care of its members will see a quantum improvement. Some of the issues needing immediate redressal are discussed in succeeding paragraphs.</span></div>
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<b><u><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Inadequacy of Funds</span></u></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">2. There are approx 35 lacs dependent member of ECHS. Even if Rs 27000 per member is scaled (as is presently known) the annual budget should be approx 9400 crores. As against this amount, it is understood that merely Rs 1600 crores have been planned for this year. This amount is too inadequate to service the ECHS satisfactorily. Since large numbers of polyclinics are not yet operational and a large number of ECHS members are unable to avail of the facility, and to meet the existing requirements of ECHS, there is an immediate need to bring up allocations to satisfactory levels. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">3. Non availability of funds with the MD ECHS has had a cascading adverse effect on planning and execution of healthcare of ECHS members. Super Specialty Hospitals and other good hospitals are not offering themselves to be empanelled because of the non clearance of their bills in time. Suggestion was given by IESM to MD ECHS to clear 50 percent of the hospital bills within one week of receipt of the bills and remaining 50 percent be cleared within 30 days, after due evaluation, analysis and verification. We are told that such a proposal is lying with Secy DESW for a considerable time for approval. You would appreciate that delays in clearance of such important proposals adversely affect functionality.<span style="color: red;"> </span>The same needs to be sanctioned immediately to assist MD ECHS to clear outstanding hospital bills. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">4. A large number of good Super Specialty Hospitals initially empanelled with ECHS, have withdrawn for want of clearance of their bills and the remaining empanelled hospitals are also under financial stress and on the verge of discontinuing empanelment. Two hospitals in Ludhiana stopped accepting ECHS members. With personal intervention of MD ECHS they have restarted their service. Medanta Hospital Gurgaon, an empanelled hospital has also stopped accepting ECHS members because, out of their bills of Rs 5 crores already lying with MD ECHS, only 2 lacs and 15 thousand have been paid. All hospitals in Mysore and Nagpur had withdrawn their empanelment for nonpayment of their bills. Life of Lt Gen Raj Kadyan was saved, again with concerted efforts by IESM, MD ECHS and personal indulgence of Dr. Trehan that he was moved to Medanta hospital Gurgaon where his serious condition with 17000 platelet counts and Dengue Fever was managed effectively. Likewise two ECHS members who were to be operated for cancer at Medanta were initially refused admission but finally accepted by the hospital with personal intervention and assurance of MD ECHS for early clearance of their bills. Why should<span style="color: red;"> </span>such a situation be allowed to occur? </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">5. The required funds need to be released well in time to ensure smooth execution ECHS. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">6. Medical Science has improved considerably and new procedures are introduced to improve the quality of medical care. These procedures are adopted by various super specialty hospitals. In order to provide the best available medical care to ex servicemen, there is need to review the listed/unlisted procedures at regular intervals. It is strongly recommended that any unlisted procedure which has been introduced in the country in the last six months should automatically be included in the listed procedures. This will enable the ECHS members to avail of the improved medical care. Following examples illustrate this:-</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">(a)<span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Robotic surgery has been introduced in our country in many hospitals for many years. However, the same has not yet been included in the listed procedures of ECHS. Two cases of cancer patients, one with breast cancer and other with prostate cancer, who were to be operated at Medanta Super Specialty Hospital at Gurgaon (Hr), an empanelled hospital,illustrate the harassment of patients, by not implementing this. In case of both, undue delay in treatment was caused since the robotics methodology of treatment is not included in Medanta’s contract. Once Medanta has been empanelled with ECHS, all procedures and specializations being carried out there should automatically be included in the listed procedures. ECHS members should not be harassed and made to run around to get the necessary sanctions. The ECHS structure and systems should be so improved to automatically include improvements in medical science and technology. Necessary changes in the rates should be regularly incorporated by ECHS every six months. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">(b)<span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Injection Avastin for eye ailment ARMD has been introduced in our country for over a decade. However, the same is not included in the listed procedures. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">7. Single window super specialty medical care must be made available to ECHS members. The referral to the empanelled hospital should be for consultation, investigation, treatment and follow up and there should be no need for the patient to run around to get administrative sanctions. Checks and audits may be introduced at the time of empanelling the hospital and subsequently by audit teams to ensure no malpractices are allowed to happen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">8. Some suggestions are made as under:-</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">(a) <b><u>Emergency Treatment in Civil Hospital</u></b>: The Govt. while sanctioning License/ Registration to hospitals should have a clause that defence personnel and ECHS members would be attended to in an emergency at ECHS rates. The concerned hospital should inform the closest ECHS Clinic/ECHS helpline about the patient. The designated team of doctors should visit the hospital within 24hrs to assess the condition of the patient. If the patient is in a state to be moved to an empanelled Hospital, the same may be carried out under ECHS arrangements. If he is not in a position to be moved out of the hospital, then he /she should continue to get treatment at the same hospital and the ECHS should make direct payment to the hospital at ECHS rates. If any extra charges are to be paid to the hospital, the same should be done by the ECHS and not the patient. The patient should not have to arrange and pay dues to the hospital. The case of Brig Mahajan who was, in an emergency, taken to Madanta Gurgaon by his son & was kept in ICU for more than 15 days, is illustrative. His son had to raise private loans to pay bill of Rs 5, 60,841.09 and only Rs 3, 62,882/- have been reimbursed to him. He or his son is not in a position to bear the loan amount. As per terms and conditions of service, a soldier, his/her spouse and dependents are to be given free medical care for life. <span style="background: maroon;"></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">(b) MD ECHS should be the authority to operationalise the scheme. He can seek assistance of any military hospital nearby and other controlling authorities should be done away with.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">(c) The budget provisions for the ECHS must be made available in the beginning of the year. Additional projections may be made based on the requirement and sanctioned on Priority. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">(d) ECHS member should not have to spend money from his/her pocket to get any special consultation, investigation, treatment and follow up. ECHS should take care of the same.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">(e)<span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman";"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> The facilities at military medical establishments should be made available to the ECHS members who should have a choice to go to any one of these in addition to the empanelled hospitals </span><br />
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<b><u><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Command and Control of ECHS</span></u></b></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">9. ECHS should function under the overall Control of AG of Integrated HQ (ARMY) and not under Secy DESW. All financial and administrative powers be vested with the AG who should be held accountable and answerable to RM & RRM through joint Chief of Staff Committee. <span style="color: red;"></span> </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">10. All Operational Control (Adm& Financial) of ECHS should be with MD ECHS and he should be accountable to the joint Chiefs of Staff Committee integrated HQ. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">11. Technical support on as required basis be provided by Armed Forces Medical set up at appropriate level. </span></div>
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<b><u><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Obligation of Private Hospitals towards Ex Servicemen</span></u></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">12. Through Govt orders/institutions, it should be obligatory for any private hospital to offer themselves for ECHS empanelment. This should be incorporated in licence policy. <span style="color: red;"></span></span></div>
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<b><u><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Review of Authorization of Medical Specialist Medical Officer and ECHS Polyclinic Staff and their Emoluments</span></u></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">13. There is need to review the authorizations of Medical Specialists, medical officers and other polyclinic staff and their emoluments. The existing authorization and their emoluments are inadequate. We are told that the proposal is awaiting sanction for a long time. The same must be sanctioned expeditiously.</span></div>
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<b><u><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Availability of Medicines</span></u></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">14. Proposal to procure medicines through civil pharmacy is reportedly at final stges of implementation. same must<span style="color: red;"> </span>be sanctioned at the earliest.<b><u> </u></b></span></div>
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<b><u><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Enhancement of Financial Powers</span></u></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">15. The existing financial powers at various levels are too inadequate. A proposal to enhance these powers is also awaiting sanction for a long time. The same needs to be sanctioned at the earliest.</span></div>
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<b><u><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Local Purchase of Medicines</span></u></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">16. All ECHS members need to be authorized to local procure NA medicine from the market and claim funds for the same. This will greatly improve availability of all prescribed medicines. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">17. May we request you to on priority consider our above suggestions to improve the Healthcare of Ex Servicemen through ECHS.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"> With Regards, <wbr></wbr> <wbr></wbr> Yours Sincerely,</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM <wbr></wbr> </span></b></div>
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<b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;">Vice Chairman Indian Ex Servicemen Movement<br /> Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-411057 </span></b><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;"><br /></span></div>
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<b><b>“DEFENCE VETERANS AGAINST INJUSTICE”, VISHAL RALLY AT JANTAR MANTAR NEW DELHI ON 01 DEC 2012 </b></b><br />
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<b><b>Dear Veterans, Dated : 28 Sep 2012 </b></b><br />
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<b><b>1. The Govt has not only not resolved 39 serious anomalies in Pay & Pension of Defence Personnel, it has not implemented the judgements of Armed Forces Tribunal & Supreme Court given in favour of Defence Personnel. Recommendations of Rajya Sabha Petition Committee on OROP strongly recommending OROP to Defence Personnel have not been implemented. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>OROP issue which has been duly analysed for over 7 months by members of parliament, was assigned to a Committee of secretaries who had earlier given evidence to Rajya Sabha Committee against the grant of OROP. What could be expected from them? PM, RM and the three Chiefs were apprised of it. On 24th Sep 2012 (Evening) the Govt misled the soldiers and the Nation when they announced that OROP has been approved. Infact the approval is nowhere close to the OROP. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>They have removed a serious anomaly of 6th CPC where the bureaucracy had manipulated the recommendation of 6 CPC i.e “minimum of pay of the Rank in the Pay band was changed to Minimum pay of the Pay Band”. For Sepoy to Hav, they have given two years additional weightage which means an increase of only Rs 400 per month. The demand of three Chiefs to include members from the serving and retired Defence personnel in the Committee was not accepted.</b></b><br />
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<b><b> 2. Our struggle to get Justice therefore, will be continued with increased intensity. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>With the above in mind, a Rally has been planned to be held at Jantar Mantar New Delhi on 01 Dec 2012 from 1030 – 1530hrs. All ESM who have not deposited their medals are requested to do so in large numbers. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>Medals can be collected area wise and brought to the Rally or individual ESM may deposit their medals at the rally site. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>3. Future course of action and resolutions will be collectively passed at the Rally to ensure that we get our due Justice. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>This Rally in Delhi is being held to showcase the continued apathy and mistreatment to the military and to impress upon the Government to see the writings on the wall and act fast to address all grievances of Defence personnel expeditiously. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>4. In last ten years, the Defence Forces have suffered a lot of ignomies and humiliations due to apathetic attitude of the Govt. and the bureaucracy. The government is mistaken if it thinks that by dragging its feet on the issue of the armed forces dissatisfaction with the recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission, it can make the issue go away.</b></b><br />
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<b><b> 5. A country that refuses to respect its armed forces will eventually end up getting forces that will not respect the nations' aspirations. A country makes a sacred contract with its soldiers that while he/she will lay down his/her life when called upon to do so, the nation will take good care of his/her and his/her family's needs to the extent its resources would permit. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>6. Besides the Rally schedule, it is proposed to take out a March of 3 – 4 Kms on a designated route. It is also planned to prepare a vehicle platform on which gallantry and Distinguished Service Medals number approx 10 thousand which have already been deposited with us by volunteer ESM and a large number which will be deposited on the day of the Rally will be respectfully placed in a “Show Case” separately made for the purpose. This will be placed at the Rally Site and moved along with scheduled March during the Rally. Subsequently, it is planned to move the vehicle alongwith the “Show Cased Medals” at various locations in the NCR for a period of 5 – 7 days. Four volunteer ESM will always escort the medals on the vehicle. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>7. IESM Conveners in nearby states i.e. Haryana, Rajasthan, Punjab, Himachal, Uttrakhand, UP who desire to parade the vehicle with Medals in their States may write to IESM HQ, at 543 Sector 23, Gurgaon (Haryana) on mail ID : satbirsm@gmail.com The vehicle would be planned to be dispatched to the volunteer states for a period of 3-4 days. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>8. Veterans, their family members and supporters in large numbers are requested to attend the above Rally. As hither to, part reimbursement of transport will be made by IESM. All administrative arrangements will be tied up. All ESM who have uniforms with them are requested to come in uniform, others may wear Mufti Dress with Regimental tie and cap. All those who don’t have Mufti may wear Shirt & trouser. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>9. ESM across the country and abroad are requested to send donations with a big heart for logistic management for the above Maha Rally. Cheques may either be deposited in our Bank, HDFC Bank A/C No 06162000001330 or be sent at 543 Sector 23 Gurgaon (Haryana), India 122017. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>10. Plan now to keep 01 Dec 2012 free for yourself and the family members and make sure that you all attend the above Rally in large numbers. Your participation is essential to Show Case the collective strength of Defence Veterans to get our due Justice. </b></b><br />
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<b><b>11. MUST join the rally to ensure “sure win” against the Injustice. “Manjle Bahut Hongi, Karvan Bahut Honge, Bhirh Wahan Hogi, Jhan Sikandar Honge” </b></b><br />
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<b><b>With Regards,</b></b><br />
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<b><b> Jai Hind Yours Sincerely, </b></b><br />
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<b><b>Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM </b></b><br />
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<b><b>Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570 Email: satbirsm@gmail.com</b><b></b></b></div>
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On 15 July 2012 18:50, Sailesh Ranade wrote:
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Dear Veterans,
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1. I have been closely following the situation with regard to OROP. I feel disgusted that veterans are crying like spoilt children for some fancy toy. This Tamasha has been going on for a few years now with no end in sight. In fact, we have brought this upon ourselves.
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2. Now let us come to the main point. Veterans are not children. So stop behaving like children. If you think that the government (politicians and bureaucrats) is going to listen to you, forget it. Have you noticed that the government will notice you only if you do dharnas, hunger strikes, rallies and resort to things like rasta / rail roko. See how every other department is holding the government to ransom.
3. So what needs to be done? Get your butts off the ground and pull your finger out. Following points come to my mind readily.
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•Bring in a Tall and Clean Leader. Only one relevant present day ICON comes to my mind.<br> <br>
Gen VK Singh. He has no financial historical baggage.
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•If you cannot muster VKS, bring in Anna Hazare.
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•Join Forces. Today we have all sorts of Brigadiers, Major Gen, Lt Gen and even a Major who run different types of organisation. Come together, but keep the tainted out. I used to see a lot of Generals on TV in the last 6 months. Dump them. Also dump all the military Governors and High Commissioners. They were all corrupt.
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•Form a Political Party. Call it the “Patriotic Front“. I guarantee, at least 100 seats in Parliament if there are clean candidates. The number of ex-servicemen and servicemen is easily close to 4 million. There is no bigger homogenous force in the world. If you include the paramilitary, it will easily touch 10 million. When in Parliament, make your own laws. Pass any bill in favour of the veterans.
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•The statement that “we will play by the rules” needs to be discarded. When your future is being decided by corrupt politicians, bureaucrats and judiciary, there is simply no future. Hold rallies, strikes, rasta roko etc. I am sure Delhi and surrounding areas can easily muster more people than what Anna Hazare and Ramdev could organise. And these two gentlemen brought the government on its knees.
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•As military veterans, we should consider all means. All is fair in love and war. The result will be quick and the lesson will sink in once and for all. We don’t need cry babies on TV. Act now. The mood is against the government. India desperately needs a revolution. A minor storm by military veterans will be enough.
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Regards,
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S Ranade
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An excellent idea. Implementable.
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Regards,
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Co<br>l Rajan
Comment: Why are IESM and IESL the two large Veteran organisations losing steam? Is it because their primary aim is now refocussed on collection of funds and spending more and doing less for the Veteran community? What has happened to improvement of ECHS, CSD and Resettlement? We hear nothing on ground.
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rom: Ravindra Pathak <raviwarsha@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Subject: [IESM_GovBody] Rally At Shegaon 13 Jul 2012
To: gove body IESM <IESM_GovBody@yahoogroups.com>
Dear Sir
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The Pune Team of
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Brig Luktuke
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Dr Mrs Sardesai
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Gp Capt S S Phatak
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Wg Cdr Kalavar
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Self
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visited Shegaon in Sangli district at the invitation of the local ESM.
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The meetting was attended by about 75 people and we were able to enroll 37 members(5 JCO,17 Jawans and 15 widows.)
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We were able to solve two pension cases on the spot and they received their dues immediately as the bank was on the ground floor of the place where meeting was held.
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We were also able to convince them to form an association which they have agreed.Importance of joining ECHS was also explained to them.Their problems with ECHS were the same that are known to us.
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Wg Cdr Kalavar is requested to upload the photos of the visit to me for sending to GB.
Brgds
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Ravi
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Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N. (Retd)
1 Surashri,1146 Lakaki Road
ShivajinagarIndian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-48609355211371444882012-07-12T03:53:00.004-07:002012-07-12T03:53:56.216-07:00EMPANNELED HOSPITALS AT NAGPUR<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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To Date: 12 July 2012
Maj Gen J George
MD ECHS
Central Org ECHS
Mod Lines Delhi Cantt-10
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EMPANNELED HOSPITALS AT NAGPUR
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Dear General George
1. We just spoke about empanelled hospitals at Nagpur. Mail received
from veteran Ramesh Bora is enclosed.
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2. There is need to get Super Specialty Hospitals empanelled to ECHS.
I looked at the list of CGHS empanelment and I found there are 36
hospitals on the list. I am enclosing the same for your information.
You may like to get approval of the Govt. for all CGHS empanelled
hospitals deemed to be empanelled to ECHS. Simultaneously, we should
either outsource the processing of Bills or introduce automation at
more locations and in due course cover the entire country. You are
aware that good super specialty hospitals are withdrawing from the
ECHS for delay in clearance of their bills.
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3. In the mean time local formation i.e. HQ MAINT COMMD IAF may be
asked to play an active role in getting the local hospitals to opt for
ECHS.
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With Regards,
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Jai Hind Yours Sincerely,
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Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
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Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570
Email : satbirsm@yahoo.comIndian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-14961964735610474102012-07-10T02:42:00.001-07:002012-07-10T02:42:49.479-07:00Kargil replied, Mumbai remains by Col Karan Kharb<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Dear All,
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A nice article reflecting the sentiments of every Indian Citizen from Karan.
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Regards,
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Brigadier V Mahalingam
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Kargil replied, Mumbai remains
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India’s response to Mumbai 26/11 attacks has been nothing more than whining and complaining as a hapless victim which neither deters future attacks nor does it inspire confidence in her own security apparatus.
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Karan Kharb
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Mumbai 26/11 was an aggression that had all the ingredients of a ‘covert military operation’ innovatively planned, meticulously coordinated and audaciously executed through un-uniformed Pakistani ‘soldiers’ – call them mercenaries if euphemism be so necessary for those un-enrolled combatants trained and motivated under the aegis of Pakistan Army, Navy and ISI. Quite understandably, it comforts Pakistan to disown these ‘soldiers’ and label them as ‘non-state actors’ absolving itself of any involvement in the anti-India crusade. Pakistan’s mask of innocence has, however, been ripped off by confessions made by Kassab – the pawn in the forefront on 26 November 2008 and other irrefutable evidence already aplenty. More revelations from David Headley and Rana picked up by the FBI in the US have added more substance to it. If more was still needed, it is now overflowing from Syed Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal whose depositions have now exposed how the entire operation was being remotely guided and controlled from the ‘Control Room’ in Karachi.
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Somehow, India’s response has been embarrassingly feeble despite overwhelming evidence. We started by sending lists of Pakistani individuals identified as culprits in the episode to the Pakistan Government and quite naively expected them to punish them. On which principles of statecraft do we expect that the Pakistan Government (read ‘Army’) would ever admit its complicity in the crime and proceed against those it hired, trained and sent to do what they did? ‘Patriots all, they deserved highest of the awards on earth and zannat in the heavens’ - that’s how their masters in Karachi and Islamabad would seem to think. Little wonder that every piece of evidence supplied by India has been trashed by Pakistan. Surely, there must be better ways to deal with aggressions like these.
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Every sovereign state is entitled to defend itself against all kinds of aggression or inimical actions with all its might. India too must act in a manner that Pakistan is made to genuinely believe that the retaliation to any misadventure originating from her territory would be sure, swift and severe. Look how we have decimated our own credibility in the recent past. After the attack on our Parliament in December 2001, the Army was mobilised and deployed all along Indo-Pak border – but only to return home empty handed after nearly a year of un-fought Op Parakram. Registering our protest against Pak sponsored terror attacks, we have frequently disrupted the summit meetings and Samjhauta bus service only to resume again without extracting much from our protests. We have created enough precedence on the basis of which India’s response to future such attacks can be foreseen and predicted.
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The world, however, has better models and precedents to go by in dealing with such hostile acts by rogue states. Israel, for example, has developed her model of credible deterrence and frequently demonstrated her resolve through severest counter-blows to the originators of crime, no matter where they hid. Fear of hostile international opinion has not discouraged her bold initiatives and in preserving her sovereignty Israel has never shied away from delivering crippling blows often to the consternation of even her trusted ally, the United States. Now, compare ‘Operation Entebbe’ with India’s response to India’s shameful ‘Operation Kandahar’ in December 1999.
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Another model is the United States of America. Whole world watched how the US responded to the al Qaeda terror attack on her vital installations on 11 September 2001. The US carried the war to the land from where it had originated and not only wrested Afghanistan from al Qaeda-Taliban clutches but continued the pursuit until Osama bin Laden was raided and killed in his den deep inside Pakistan. China, Russia, France, Germany, UK and many others have often carried out swift surgical operations by mobilising their Special Forces and striking cross border targets leaving the harbouring country under awe. Even countries like North Korea and South Africa have clearly defined and unambiguously declared policies which have been reinforced by their actions. India too has a highly trained set up of Special Forces with capabilities to swiftly move and strike anywhere across the globe. What we do not yet have is an unambiguous national policy to deal with acts of terror and covert attacks like Mumbai, Red Fort, Parliament et al.
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The Pak doctrine of covert military operations is not new. It dates back to 1948 and has been resorted to nearly in all conflicts between the two neighbours since then. What could be more shocking than the fact that Pakistani soldiers were infiltrating in the guise of local shepherds to occupy heights in Kargil at a time when the two Prime Ministers, Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Nawaz Sharif, were signing the Lahore Declaration in Feb 1999 promising to find solutions to problems through peaceful means with mutual cooperation. The Indian Army had to fight a limited war and sacrificed precious lives to beat back this military adventurism of Pakistan. Nawaz Sharif is on record having admitted that he was kept in the darkness by his Army Chief, Gen Parvez Musharraf and the Army’s Kargil misadventure did not have his Government’s approval. Going by the post-Mumbai official posturing, how ridiculous would it seem if India were to despatch nominal roll and proofs of the Pakistani soldiers killed at Batalik, Tiger Hill and other Kargil heights requiring their commanders including Gen Parvez Musharraf to be prosecuted for their misdeeds?
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If the Army could ignore their Prime Minister in 1999, the Pak Government is in far worse disarray today and, therefore, there is every likelihood of the Army/ISI having acted on their own in planning and deciding Mumbai 26/11. Remember President Zardari had offered to send the ISI Chief to Delhi soon after the Mumbai attacks. Next morning he was over ruled by the Army Chief, Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani who said there was no question of the ISI Chief or any other official going to Delhi to assist in investigations or give clarifications. Imagine a Government having to maintain its sober countenance with such an over assertive and insolent Army on one side, hard-core Islamists and pro-Taliban maulvis on the other, and a hyper-active Supreme Court gunning for the President from the top. Logically prudence suggests that while meaningful negotiations would run through complexities in such a chaotic environment, lightning commando strikes on pre-selected targets like the ‘Control Room’ complex in Karachi and Terrorist training camps deep inside Pakistan could have achieved better results with stunning effect.
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Sadly, however, India’s response to Mumbai 26/11 attacks has been nothing more than whining and complaining as a hapless victim which neither deters future attacks nor does it inspire confidence in her own security apparatus. Anyway, the time and opportunity for quick and meaningful retaliation has been lost long ago. Asking and expecting the Pak Government to prosecute Pak citizens found involved in the Mumbai attacks is too much. But not all is over yet. At this belated stage too, India can still proceed decisively in a manner that would display her resolve and competence to deal with the guilty – be it the state or individuals – effectively. There is an immediate need for India’s top politico-bureaucratic policy makers to make themselves abreast with the capabilities and limitations of the Armed Forces and other security agencies. Integrating them in the process of decision making, planning future safeguards, pre-empting enemy plans and delivering a swift and decisive retaliatory blow in the event of any future attack can go a long way not only in fine-tuning our response system but also in building up our credibility as an emerging global power. Likewise, even as we move ahead in the now-on now-off Indo-Pak confidence building parleys, it is strategically vital to introduce there an implicit suspicion – rather, belief – that India can choose any means of reprisal to avenge any recurrence of Pak exported or assisted attack. Alongside, Pakistan must also be made to visualise two aspects very clearly: One, Pakistan stands to gain far more from peace, friendship and cooperation with India in revitalising her economy through trade agreements and cheaper transit costs. Two, her policy of unleashing terrorism on India will hereafter become dangerously disadvantageous and highly unaffordable to it. These two aspects should be highlighted and projected to Pakistan and the world in absolute unambiguous terms sooner than later.Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-70531858000415343972012-07-10T02:25:00.002-07:002012-07-10T02:32:50.784-07:00Kargil Divas on 22 Jul 2012 at Noida Sec 29 ...11AM-1 PM...High Tea for all...<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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PRESS RELEASE
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Sir,
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Press Release about functioning of the CSD is appended below for publication in your Most Esteemed Paper please .
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With Warm Regards,
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Your Sincerely,
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Brig Harwant Singh (Retd)
President , The All Defence Brotherhood (Regd)
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PRESS RELEASE
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(MAL) FUNCTIONING OF THE CANTEEN STORES DEPARTMENT (CSD)
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1. Control of the CSD .Under the garb of ‘Welfare’ , the MOD has reportedly taken over control of the CSD and put it under the Department of the Ex-Servicemen Welfare (DESW) . The Defence Services would have hardly any say in policy formulation . It is one of the MOST unfortunate blow to the welfare of the serving and the retired soldiers (term includes Sailors and Airmen) and is an utterly negative step. It violates the time tested principle that ‘The USER must have a say and stake in running of any organisation’. It is pertinent to mention that the DESW is staffed purely by the civilians who at best are apathetic to the welfare of the Defence Services who may be deprived of the major portion of the of canteen profits which was used for the welfare of the soldiers .Takeover of the CSD by MOD must be resisted forcefully and status quo ante restored.
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2. Availability of Cars and items Against Firm Demand (AFD) . For the last about two years supply of Cars and two wheelers through the CSD had been very meager and most erratic . Severe unrealistic restrictions have been put on the sale of the same , e.g. the NCOs and Jawans can buy a car once only in their life time . It is most unfair. Even the registration of a car is valid only for 15 years on the premise that by then it would be too old for use. When new and more fuel efficient models are coming up frequently , it is most unfortunate to put such restrictions . Release of funds to the CSD has also been reduced . When the consumers ‘Pay in Advance’, it is NOT understood why should the MOD not release funds IMMEDIATELY to the dealers . Non release of funds has resulted in the serving and retired soldiers being put to great inconvenience .
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3. Range and Quality . Latest models of house hold goods and all ‘variants’ of automobiles are not available in CSD. Only those models are sold , which do not sell well in the market .The CSD, being a captive market, appears to have become a ‘Dumping Ground’ for less popular items . The CSD is being perceived to benefit the manufacturers more than the Services.
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4. Procedures . Procedures to get AFD items are cumbersome . At present , apart from completing many formalities, the Serving and retired Defence personnel have to go to CSD depots like Ambala, Bhatinda, Jalandhar, etc, (in Punjab , Haryana and Chandigarh ), to deposit their bank drafts to get AFD items and then get the authorization slip for the dealer to provide them . For doing so the serving personnel have to get leave for a day or more . It is suggested that the procedures be simplified and arrangements be made that the bank drafts are deposited either with the local canteen of CSD or with the local dealers. Incase of cars/ scooters after taking delivery, they again have to go to CSD Depot again for its verification before the same are registered by the registration authorities . With today’s advance in electronics , including communications, it should be possible to simplify the procedures.
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5. “Customer Satisfaction Survey” . To fulfill its stated role, the CSD should remain under the Army control . It should not only simplify its procedures but must provide all the household items, which are available in the market. Finally , let the MOD carry out a “Customer Satisfaction Survey” and find out the views of the Serving and Retired Soldiers whether they are happy with the functioning of CSD, along with the ‘Range’ and ‘Quality’ of the items supplied . This survey might be an eye opener.
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{Brig Harwant Singh (Retd)} ,
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Mohali (Punjab). President
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Politico-military interface in India
Does it meet the challenges of future armed conflicts?
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by Gen V P Malik (retd)
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ONE of the cornerstones of a democracy is a healthy politico-military relationship. But what has been witnessed in the recent past is an unhealthy row over the age of the last Army Chief, the attempted bribe to purchase Tatra vehicles from BEML, a public sector undertaking, deliberate leakage of a classified letter to the Prime Minister on defence preparedness, and the deep suspicion over the movement of Army units on training near Delhi.
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There is also deep discontent among the armed forces veterans and widows who retain an umbilical connection with serving soldiers and maintain traditional camaraderie and kinship. They feel cheated over pension disparities and anomalies by the civilian bureaucracy and an unsympathetic political leadership. As a result, they have been organising rallies, fast unto death agitations, and surrender of war and gallantry medals to the President to draw public and political attention. The general impression is that the political leadership takes little or no interest in the armed forces’ advice to protect their hierarchal status in the government and society. The relationship is far from healthy.
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A major cause for the fragility of politico-military relationship is that instead of maintaining ‘political control’, India practices a unique system of ‘bureaucratic control’ over the military. There is hardly any discourse between the political and military leaders on geo-political and security-related environment, strategies and defence planning for conflict contingencies. My aim here is to draw attention to these strategic aspects.
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Over the last few decades, with greater focus on peace and economic development, the approach to security has become more liberal. There is greater consciousness of the comprehensive nature of security. That includes the traditional defence-related threats as well as societal, economic and environmental challenges. Globalisation and regional cooperation are the buzz words in international relations.
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Prevention of collateral damage in conflicts and violation of human rights have become matters of serious global concern. A war as an instrument of foreign policy has become increasingly unviable due to international pressures, very high costs and casualties. Sub-conventional conflicts and armed violence have become more prevalent.
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Although there is a greater likelihood of limited conventional wars than all-out wars, the armed forces cannot afford to take any chance. They have to be prepared for an elongated spectrum of conflicts, ranging from aid to civil authority, counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism to conventional and nuclear wars. They require careful prioritising of roles and missions. Forces require greater versatility and flexibility. These strategic and technology-driven considerations impact the decision-making apparatus and conduct of warfare.
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For example, separation between the tactical, operational and strategic levels of warfare is blurring. Enhanced mobility, long reaches in targeting, improved communications and more intrusive command and control have obscured tactical and strategic boundaries. It is a situation where a junior military officer is expected to understand political considerations and the political leader to know the tactical and operational considerations.
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We need more integrated command and control systems for quick decision-making at all levels of command. The cycle of collection, collation, synthesis and dissemination of information needs to be speeded up, as also the subsequent actions and feedback.
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War fighting has to be conducted in a more integrated manner. Integration has two aspects: greater and faster politico-military interaction and coordination, and integration of the three armed forces verticals at the top for the purpose of defence planning and force structuring, operational planning, integrated advice for budgetary economy and common personnel and logistics-related policies.
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In any future conflict, there would have to be complete understanding between the political and military leaderships on the political and military objectives and the time available to the armed forces to execute their missions. That would be crucial for planning and conduct of operations. We can also expect fairly rigid political terms of reference as were given during the Kargil war.
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There are some other challenges likely to be encountered. The military would be required to react quickly to an evolving crisis which may erupt with surprise. It would be expected to arrest deterioration of the situation on the ground and regain the initiative without any loss of time.
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Domestic and international political support for a military operation will depend upon its ability to operate in a manner that conforms to political legitimacy —- avoidance of civilian casualties, minimisation of collateral damage. This will require careful and calibrated orchestration of military operations, diplomacy and the political environment. Continuous control of the escalatory ladder will require close political-military interaction.
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Militarily, the greatest challenge could be in the political reluctance to commit a pro-active engagement and its insistence to retain the authority for approving not just key military moves but also many operational decisions.
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There would be heavy reliance on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance by political and military leaderships before committing optimal resources. Drones and surgical strikes would be a common option. Employment of ground forces across the borders could be discouraged or delayed due to fear of casualties and difficulty in disengagement.
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Information operation is already important. The requirement to achieve and retain the moral high ground and deny that to the adversary would need a comprehensive and sophisticated media, public affairs and information campaign.
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As the size and complexity of nuclear arsenal in the region increases, different kinds of complications would emerge. The armed forces would have to remain in the decision-making loop.
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Such a strategic scenario demands (a) keeping the military leadership in the security and strategic decision-making loop, and (b) closer direct politico-military interface in war and peace (when we must prepare for war contingencies), and not the ‘bureaucratic control’ kind that exists today. This leads me to ask certain questions.
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Does our political leadership have critical understanding of security-related strategic issues and implications of military employment and institutional conduct? Are they adequately conversant with military purposes, capabilities, constraints and effects? If not, should they depend more on military or the generalist bureaucratic advice?
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Why do our armed forces continue to suffer serious shortage of weapons and equipment year after year? Why does India after 65 years of Independence and fighting so many wars have to import over 70 per cent of its defence equipment from abroad?
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War as Clausewitz noted is continuation of politics by other means. Recent conflicts have involved a much greater level of integration of politics, diplomacy and military planning and execution than in the past. Even when a decision to employ the military is made, the political leadership has to monitor its escalatory ladder. In practice, there is continuing erosion of the dividing lines between war and politics.
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Unlike other democracies of the world, the political leadership in India has managed to sideline the military leadership except when faced with an imminent conflict or a crisis situation. There is no politico-military interface; interaction is mostly through civilian bureaucracy. The national security framework is not in sync with the needs of new security challenges or healthy civil-military relations. There is an urgent need, therefore, to re-engineer our national security paradigm and defence management structure.
The writer is a former Chief of Army Staff.Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-12360186171012207092012-06-25T03:59:00.001-07:002012-06-27T00:04:46.872-07:00Views of Brig Paranjape ..an insight into ECHS problems..<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Diwakar Paranjape <paranjapediwakar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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Brig D A Paranjape,VrC Retired] J-22,Salunke Vihar,
Phone - [020]26853531 Pune. 411022.
Email : 25 Jun 2012.
paranjapediwakar@yahoo.co.in
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To,
ECHS- Over Sight Committee.
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E C H S – FUNCTIONING :OVER VIEW.
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At the out- set, let me congratulate all the members of the committee for having been nominated on this committee. You have an enormous task ahead of you and only sky will be the limiting factor for your services to the august body of veterans.
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I wish to present two events before you. Please draw your own inferences for the betterment of the medical services being provided to veterans.
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Event -1.
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It was the year of 1980–81. I was posted as DS [Lt Col] at Senior Command Wing of College of Combat, Mhow. My wife was losing weight. [15kg in three months.] We went MH, Mhow where only services of Med Specialists were available. His medicines brought us not much of a relief. So with some civilian doctor friends, we went to Indore to learn that the investigation & treatment would cost us approx R. 40 to 50 thousands. I showed those papers to the Med Specialists at MH, Mhow. He said at best, he could refer us to Army Hospital, Delhi or Comd Hospital, Pune. We opted for Pune as we are from Pune where, support of relatives and friends is available.
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At Comd Hospital, Pune we came across Lt Col Shetty [Endowcrinologist, who later retired as Maj Gen] who advised for a blood test [T-3 / T-4/ TSH]. This facility was not available at Comd Hospital, Pune. He gave a chit and suggested that we go to KEM Hospital, Pune. When we went KEM Hospital, Pune, the concerned Doctor said that it is a great honour to receive a request from an Army Doctor. I told him that the patient is also an Army Offr’s wife. That Doctor stated that normally, they take blood samples once a week, and give the report in the following week. Since it is request from an Army Doctor, for Army Offr’s wife, the blood sample will be collected immediately and the report was handed over on the following day. All of us appreciated the respect shown by a civilian Doctor to a note from Army Doctor and the concern shown to the family of an Army Offr.
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Later, this facility of blood test [T -3/ T -4 /TSH] has also been made available at Comd Hospital, Pune.
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Event-2.
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I retired from Army service in 1994. As at present my wife is under treatment at CTC, Pune. The other day, the Doctor [Cardiologist] suggested blood test [T3/T4/TSH] to confirm his opinion / observations . With his chit, we went to a Mini Lab co-located with Endocrinology Dept, MH Pune. We were directed to go to OPD for Civilians where blood samples are collected.[ Incidently,on numerous earlier occasions, we have also been going to this Mini Lab, co-located with Endocrinology Dept, as and when the Doctors asked for this [T3 /T4 /TSH] blood test.] When we went to OPD for giving blood sample, we were told that veterans cannot be entertained there, and we should go to ECHS. So we went to ECHS, showed the chit given by the Cardiologist at CTC, Pune. We were then refered to Medinova Diagnostics Centre, Pune. The necessary blood tests were done, report obtained and shown to the concerned Doctor for further treatment.
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CONCERNS .
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You may please appreciate the concern and the respect shown by a Civilian Doctor for a Chit of an Army Doctor and the family of an Army Offr , in Event-1. Compare this with the treatment meted to a Veterans’ family by an Army Doctors, in Event – 2. You may be knowing that by virtue of co-location of AFMC with Comd Hospital, Pune, draws huge civilian crowd seeking medical attention but the same is denied to veterans.
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By the Grace of God Almighty, I am still hale and hearty, so I could drive my wife from CTC, Pune -to Endocrinology Dept of MH Pune, - to Civil OPD Dept & their Blood sample collection Centre, -to ECHS, and to Medinova Diagnostics Centre. Then Collect the report on a specified day and go back to CTC Hospital, Pune. What will be the plight of a family of an OR / widows/ handicapped person ?
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I was happy as blood- tests for my family were done, not withstanding that it was ECHS that has paid for these tests. I am not aware of the Fund Position of ECHS, but Iam aware that there are lot many pending bills at your end, perhaps, for the want of funds. Under these circumstances, it is imperative to use these meager funds judiciously. We should use facilities available with Army Hospitals.
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RECOMMENDATIONS.
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In a place like Pune, all the specialist facilities are available in Command Hospital. Pune. Pune is also a fairly big station. [I think it is- a class-II station]. There is a large no of veteran population in and around Pune. So one of the pattern that I would like to suggest is to have three to four polyclinics in the suburbs who could dispense standard medicines for routine ailments. You will agree with me that with age, BP / sugar/ Arthritis etc are comman ailments and routine check-up with routine medicines would suffice. Various Specialists can visit the polyclinics on fixed days. In emergency and complicated cases will have to go to Command Hospital, Pune.
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This type of a model was introduced By Lieut Gen Harwant Singh, when he was GOC, 16 Corps, as there was far too much of a load on MH Jammu. So he established Poly-Clinics at four suburbs of Jammu where there is a large population of veterans. Since I was a Station Commander and a Brigade Commander, I am aware that this system worked extremely well. While creating ECHS, this model was later attempted to be copied by Lt Gen S Mehta [Retired as GOC-in C, Western Comd] when he was with AG’s Branch, Army Hq. I am certain, that now that a Special Committee has been set-up, we can improve on this model.
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CONCLUSION.
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These are some of the thoughts that came to my mind. I am certain with this newly formed committee will deliberate and bring forward a model to the satisfaction of all veterans. Our best wishes will always be there with you in all your endeavours.
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REGARDS.
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Sincerely Yours , Brigadier D A Paranjape,VrC [Retired]Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-60474089006322870962012-06-25T01:58:00.000-07:002012-06-27T00:07:09.997-07:00ECHS..Mumbai problems...<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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trilok kamlesh <trilokkamlesh@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Dear Col Chaturvedi,
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I am forwarding copy of the mail received from Daljeet Anand.
Although I do not know Daljeet personally but I wish to second his concern for veterans like us residing in Thane(Maharashtra). The nearest Poly Clinic is in Kanjur Marg, a distance od approx 15 kms( time taken approx one to one and a half hours depending upon transport/traffic) and Asvini Hospital approx 40 kms (time approx two and a half to three hours or maybe more). Hence there is a need to have a Poly Clinic in Thane and empanelled Hospital like Jupiter Hospital in Thane or Fortis Hospital in Mulund.
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I hope you will take up this matter with the concerned authorities.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:59:08 +0800
From: a_daljet@yahoo.co.in
Subject: [IESM-1669] Fwd: Impalnt Hospital for Mumbai/Thane & Navi mumbai
To: rajkadyan@yahoo.com
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Reminder...........General Kadiya Sir..........Please listen to Mumbaikar Veterans
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Subject: Re: [indianveterans] Fwd: Referred from Epaper.timesofindia.com
To: indianveterans@yahoogroups.com, rajkadyan@yahoo.com, rajkadyan8@gmail.com, iesm-pune-@googlegroups.com
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Cc: MD ECHS <mdechs@yahoo.com>, ECHS IESM <iesm.echs@gmail.com>
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Dear Pathak / General Sir,
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We in Mumbai do not have any implant Hospital from where ECHS card holders can get emergency treatment in the event of emergency.
The Aswini hospital is 40 to 60 kms away from Nevi Mumbai/Thane & Virar.
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The Fortis Hospital & Heernandani hospitals were in list of implant hospital for ECHS card holders till March end 1012.
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The marketing staff from Fortis Hospital has informed that the ECHS service is withdrawn the treatment for the ECHS Card holder from April 2012 as Rs. 50 lacks is to be paid to Fortis from MOD for the services rendered to ECHS Card holder for the year 2010 & 11.The deposit of 10L is yet to receive by the said hospital.
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Hope the situation here in Mumbai to reach Ashwini hospital from suburbs in case of emergency is known to every one.
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I request IESM to take up this matter urgently with MOD & resolve. The average Ex. from Forces in Mumbai are settled and are within the age of 60+ to 75+ . These nos. are in thousands.
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If we Mumbaikar need to approach any forum , please advice.
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Waiting for your reply with action from IESM end.
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.Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-38569302713071093392012-06-25T01:29:00.000-07:002012-06-25T01:29:23.370-07:00ECHS Oversight Commitee visits Lodhi Road on 28 /29 Jun 2012<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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The ECHS Oversight Committee (OSC) will visit Polyclinics in Delhi as per following program.
Polyclinic Lodhi Road. 28 & 29 June.
Polyclinic BH. 2 and 3 July.
During the visit Committee members would be interacting with ECHS users.
It is suggested that if any points are to be brought to the notice of the OSC, these may please be written down on a piece of paper, giving the issue in point form, including essential details like dates etc, along with Name, E Mail id and mobile number of the person giving the point, and handed over to Officer interacting with users/ me.
This may Kindly be brought to the notice of all Officers, JCOs and OR, particularly to those not having access to E mails.
Thanks, and looking forward to working together to improve Veteran Healthcare.
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi, IESM ECHS Rep
A-35, Sector 36,
Noida 201303.
Mob: +919891279035
E Mail ID: rpchaturvedi@gmail.comIndian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-85424446382558819972012-05-14T04:09:00.001-07:002012-05-14T04:09:41.856-07:00PRESS RELEASE..rally on 16 May by Gen VK SinghDated : 12 May 2012<br /><br />PRESS RELEASE<br /><br />EX SERVICEMEN RALLY AT PALRA STADIUM (RAJIV GANDHI STADIUM) JHAJJAR (HR) ON 16 MAY 2012 AT 10.30 AM GEN VK SINGH COAS, PVSM, AVSM, YSM, ADC WILL ADDRESS THE RALLY<br /><br />Dear Members of the Media<br /><br />1. Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) Gen VK Singh PVSM, AVSM,YSM,ADC has declared this “Year” as the “year of the veterans”. To this end, an ex servicemen rally is being organized under the aegis of Army Headquarters on 16 May 2012 at 10.30 AM at Palra Stadium Jhajjar (Haryana). The Rally will be addressed by General VK Singh himself.<br /><br /> <br /><br />2. Ex Servicemen, defence widows and family members in large numbers will be attending the rally. Post retirement phase of a soldier is part of the profession of arms. Sadly, successive Govts have not done enough for the Defence Veterans to enable them to live with dignity and respect. 85 percent of the military personnel are compulsorily retired at the age of 35-37. The harsh terms and conditions of service make this profession a” unique and different” from any other profession.<br /><br />3. Beside organizing a Medical Camp at the rally site, the ESM will project their issues to the COAS, Gen V K Singh, who will inform them about the actions taken by service Headquarters for addressing their concerns. All types of medical specialists will be available at the medical Camp. Prescribed medicines will be dispersed. Mobile CSD Canteen is also being placed for the entitled veterans. <br /><br />4. You are requested to cover the event extensively.<br /><br /> With Regards, Yours Sincerely,<br /><br /> Jai Hind<br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /> Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM<br /> Vice Chairman Indian Ex Servicemen MovementIndian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-63232717673933122272012-05-14T04:07:00.002-07:002012-05-14T04:08:36.898-07:00Rally at Palra Stadium ...addressed by Gen VK Singh...16 May 2012EXSERVICEMEN RALLY AT PALRA STADIUM (RAJIV GANDHI MEMORIAL) PALRA<br />AT 1030H ON 16 MAY 2012 WEDNESDAY<br />An ex-servicemen rally is being organized on 16 May 1012 at 1030h at Palra stadium Palra. The rally will be addressed by COAS Gen VK Singh PVSM, AVSM, YSM and ADC and veterans. Ex-servicemen are requested to attend the rally in large numbers. The Palra stadium is in village Palra about 8 km from Jhajjhar.<br />Rally is being organised by South Western Command of Indian Army. Overall administration of the rally will be under 33 Armoured Div and in that 57 infantry brigade.<br />Contact person at AHQ Brig Chahal DDG Ceremonies 096754188883<br />Contact person at 33 Armoured div Col IPS Rana…… <br />Contact point at 57 Infantry div Brig Kapoor…. <br />Contact person at IESM HQ Maj Gen Satbir Singh SM 09312404269<br />Contact person at Noida Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM 09810541222<br />Contact person at Jhajjhar Hony Capt Rathee Vr C 08053808060<br />Contact person at IESM Hony Lt K Pandey 09811059825<br />Contact person at IESM Hony Capt Balwan 09812854458<br />Contact person at IESM Hony Capt Hari Singh 09813108082. <br />Ex-servicemen are requested to attend in large numbers. Bus arrangements have been made to transport ex-servicemen from villages to the rally point. For further details speak to the contact persons of your area for timing of the bus to rally point and back. Ex-servicemen are requested to be seated by 1015h in the stadium. Arrangement for light refreshment has also been done at the rally point.<br />3. All are requested to give maximum publicity for the rally. Necessary advertisement in local newspapers is being given for the rally by the organizers of the rally. <br />Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM<br />Gen Sec IESM<br />09810541222 <br /> <br />Regards<br /><br />Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM<br />Gen Sec IESM<br />L - 48, Sector - 25,Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-60494534944532930422012-05-14T04:07:00.001-07:002012-05-14T04:07:25.637-07:00EXSERVICEMEN RALLY AT PALRA STADIUM (RAJIV GANDHI MEMORIAL) PALRA AT 1030H ON 16 MAY 2012EXSERVICEMEN RALLY AT PALRA STADIUM (RAJIV GANDHI MEMORIAL) PALRA<br />AT 1030H ON 16 MAY 2012 WEDNESDAY<br /><br />Dear Veterans<br /><br />Further to referred mail mail below, arrangements for the rally have been finalized and are appended below.<br /><br /> About 100 buses have been arranged by the Army HQ and Civil authorities for the convenience of veterans for them to attend the rally. The buses have been placed under the control of Capt Rathee and Capt Balwan in Jhajjhar and area around Jhajjhar. Some buses are earmarked for Noida, Ghaziabad and Gurgaon. All veterans are requested to use these buses and attend in large numbers.<br /> veer bahnen will be honored by the COAS.<br /> A medical camp is also being organised at the rally. All medical experts will be available to attend to the veterans problems and advise to veterans. All medicines will also be disbursed as prescribed by the medical experts.<br /> CSD canteen will also be available at the rally site and veterans will be able to purchase their requirements at the rally. Liquor will not be available in the extension counter of CSD.<br /> Specialist from various branches of army will also be present to attend to the problems of veterans. Veterans are requested to bring the necessary documents like their pension books and PPOs and bank passbooks for verification of the specialists to get a suitable reply to their problems.<br /> Refreshment packets will be given to all veterans and sufficient quantity of drinking water will be available on the rally.<br /><br />Veterans are requested to get in touch with their contact persons in your area and attend the rally in large numbers and listen from the COAS about the latest action taken by the Army HQ on the problems being faced by the veterans.<br /><br />One can not get a better opportunity than this when COAS himself is addressing the veterans and giving the latest situation report on the problems of veterans.<br /><br />Veterans are therefore requested to attend the rally in large number and get the latest situation report of their problems.<br /> <br />Regards<br /><br />Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM<br />Gen Sec IESM<br />L - 48, Sector - 25,<br />NOIDA. 201301<br />Tele no 01204313951<br />Mobile 09810541222Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-55613852244011102762012-05-14T04:02:00.002-07:002012-05-14T04:06:58.113-07:00Col K V C Nair,col Ramesh Pathak,Major PatankiDear All <br /><br />I have just received a call from Major Patanki from Bangalore who has generously donated Rs 2000/ towards expenses of the veterans rally organised on 16 May 12. I request all veterans to contribute generously to offset the exp of the rally.<br /><br />***************************************************<br />Dear Col Pathak<br /><br />I am thankful to you for your generous help for conduct of the rally. I request all veterans to donate generously for the good conduct of the rally. IESM would be thankful to all veterans for the helping hand from all the veterans either physically or financially. PLEASE DONATE GENEROUSLY FOR THE GOOD CONDUCT OF THE RALLY.<br /> <br />Regards<br /><br />Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM<br />***********************************************<br />My dear buddy Vinod, Col Nair and other Veterans,<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />1. Col Nair's mail has inspired me to contribute Rs.1,001 specifically towards this rally. I shall hand over the cheque to Cdr Ravindra Pathak this morning with the donation form. Or deposit it in IESM account as per his advice.<br /><br />2. " Come on guys, this is the time to help a worthy cause. ' Jo bund se gayi, woh haud se nahi jaati ' ( A drop of help at the right moment is more valuable than a flood of help later ! ) I wish I could personally participate in the rally.<br /><br />3. I am sure these examples will inspire other veterans to do so. ASAP.<br /><br />4. Wishing the Rally and other initiatives God Speed and all the very best. Well done and keep up the good work, buddies !<br /><br />Ramesh<br /><br />Ramesh Pathak<br />************************************************<br />My Dear Veteran Vinod G- jee,<br /><br />I, though loc in chennai, am presently incapacitated to physically take part and so pledge a sum of Rs1K towards the expenses that your efforts shall entail. I shall e tfr by co-ord with Bror C K S.<br /><br />Col K V C Nair<br />****************************************Indian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6210535581221463950.post-89589274100303893722012-04-17T00:56:00.001-07:002012-04-17T00:58:02.042-07:00New members ..IESM at Ghaziabad...by Maj Gen AJB JainiFriends,<br /> I have enrolled the following TWENTY THREE Veterans / ESM / NOKs, as New Members of IESM, today - 17 April 2012.<br /> <br />Ser Regtl No Rank Name Regt Amnt Contact / Tele No <br /> <br />1.. JC-367465-F Sub Maj S. B. SINGH SIG 200/= 9567670864<br />2. JC-190166-P Hony Capt MOOL CHAND ASC 200/= 8860959424<br />3. 1426293-X Hav CHANDRA KUMAR SINGH ENGRS 100/= 9650938262<br />4. 1027745-N DFR BIR PAL SINGH ARMD 100/= 9717712968 <br />5. 13888917 Hav ASHOK KUMAR ASC 100/= 9012729752<br />6. 14259657-P Hav BABU RAM SIGNALS 100/= 9911946618<br />7. 2683672-N Nk RAKESH KUMAR GRENADIERS 100/= 9868523500<br />8. 14481961 Hav MUKESH KUMAR ARTY 100/= 9968593150<br />9. 13966758 Hav SUDHIR KUMAR AMC 100/= 8979863928 <br />10. 14580506 Nk AMARJEET SINGH EME 100/= 9953145806<br />11. 2962363 Sep BISHAMBAR SINGH RAJPUT 100/= 9971980285<br />12. 4173957-P Nk HIRA BALLABH TIWARI KUMAON 100/= 9560949426<br />13. 2871312-N Nk JAGVIR SINGH RAJ RIF 100/= 9953018473<br />14. 2866658-M Hav WATAN SINGH RAJ RIF 100/= 8826139739<br />15. 8021680-W Hav DHARAM VIR SINGH RAJPUT 100/= 9811720344<br />16. 14229831-F Nk NIRANJAN SINGH SIGNALS 100/= 9871311930<br />17. 1570954-T Nk RAGUBIR SINGH SHARMA BEG 100/= 9958876364 <br />18 1240618-F Nk BHIM SINGH TYAGI ARTY 100/= 9911319994<br />19. 14349477-N Hav SATISH KUMAR ARTY 100/= 7503363918<br />20. 13833801 Seo SATBIR SINGH ASC 100/= 7838330874 <br />21. 14578752 CFN KIRSHAN PAL EME 100/= 9899269916<br />22. 12539071 W/O Gnr HARBIR SINGH ARTY NIL 7838660625 -- Smt SATBIRI<br />23. JC-75715 W/O Nb Sub GIRI RAJ SINGH ASC NIL 9811538451-- Smt NATHO DEVI23<br /> -----------------<br /><br />TOTAL Members = 23 ( including 2 NOKs ) TOTAL 2300/= ( Rs Two Thosand & Three Hundred Only ).<br /> ( Amnt & Forms will be given to Gen Satbir / Wg Cdr CEEKAY Sharma during next Meeting)/ or, will deposited in HDFC <br /><br /> Hav RAMPAL DHAKA, who is our District Convener in Ghaziabad, has been the Motivator for the above ESM to enroll as our IESM Members. <br /><br /> For Chairman & Vice Chairman Only -- May kindly extend their Formal WELCOME to these New Members. <br /> <br /> With these New Members, the Membership 'Drive' in GZB is Going Up & 'Catching Up' , by the day, -- No longer that gradual, now ! .<br /><br />General A.J.B.Jaini, AVSM<br />Member Governing Body - IESMIndian ExServicemen Movementhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15074131359293729187noreply@blogger.com0