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Thursday, December 17, 2009
Vijay Diwas Pics at Chennai..Courtesy Brig V A Subramanyam
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Vijay Diwas at Chennai by Brig VA Subramanyam
From: Brig V A Subramanyam vasubramanyam@gmail.com
Please refer to the report sent by Col TN Raman, one of the two principal organisers of the function at Chennai. This is not only to compliment him and Col N Viswanathan for the excellent manner in which they organised the function but also complement what Col Raman said in his report. Have also sent separately the photographs taken on the occasion.
Vijay Diwas 2009
For the first time since I moved into Madras – what has now become Chennai – over a decade and half ago, I was pleasantly surprised to note that the Veteran Officers in the Station had decided to observe the Vijay Diwas.
Thanks to the efforts of two untiring persevering determined veterans – Col N Viswanathan and Col TN Raman who against all odds decided to take matters into their own hands and decided to organize the function by themselves. And the resultant was a message sent on late evening of the 12th Dec, to say that it would be observed at 1100hours on the 16th Dec at the War Memorial.
The weathermen had predicted a wet Wednesday, and based on those readings, the local Government had asked all schools to close. Nonetheless, we drove down to the War Memorial with the skies being overcast and thick dark clouds threatening to open up any minute and pour down in all the fury. But the threats did not have any undue effect on all of us, as having been conditioned to commence exercises and operations in such weather, we pressed on regardless. We reached the adjoining MES IB, where arrangements had been made for parking of vehicles. From there we trooped into the precincts of the manicured lawns of the War Memorial. It was heartening to note that in spite of short notice - about 50 personnel from all the three Armed Services had gathered together to pay our humble tributes to all those brave soldiers who had given their all during the 1971 Indo Pak conflict in order that we and the civil society may live a more peaceful and better lives.
The War Memorial was a relic of the Colonial trappings – having been built by the Raj in memory of those of the then Madras Presidency who had fought on behalf of British Empire. Accordingly the letterings on main face were in English, whereas on the other three sides they were in Tamil, Urdu (possibly due to the troops of Arcot who were primarily Muslims) and Telugu. When the British took over Madras, it was ruled by Damarla Venkatapathy Nayak, a Telugu speaking gentleman.
The wording on the Memorial reads as: “To the memory of all those from the Madras Presidency who lost their lives in the service of ‘the Nation’”. To anyone having a closer look it would be obvious that the words ‘the Nation’ had been added later possibly replacing ‘the Empire’. Inscriptions on the four surrounding pillars have now been added. They read as 1947 – 48; 1962 Chinese Aggression; 1965 and 1971 – Indo-Pakistan war.
The function commenced exactly as scheduled at 1100 hours. Lt Gen C Sundara Rao, the Patron of AFVOA was the first to place a wreath on the memorial. He was followed by Maj Gen Chattaraman, the current President of AFVOA, Col TN Raman, Convenor of the IESM, Tamil Nadu, Col A Krishnaswami, VrC, VSM**, RAdm Sivamani and Sqn Ldr J Nagarajan, KC, decorated soldiers of the three services. Thereafter the rest of all the personnel gathered, offered floral tributes to the memory of war heroes.
The function came to a close by sounding of the last post by the soldiers of 5 Jak Rif regiment.
"We never get what we want,
We never want what we get,
We never have what we like,
We never like what we have.
And still we live & love.
That's life...."
Have a Wonderful Day!
== Subramanyam
NAVI MUMBAI ESM CELEBRATE VICTORY DAY-INDO PAK WAR 1971 by Brig Dharam Prakash
NAVI MUMBAI ESM CELEBRATE VICTORY DAY-INDO PAK WAR 1971
Dear All Veterans
ESM in and around Navi Mumbai organised a public function to celebrate VICTORY DAY of INDO PAK WAR 1971, under the banner of EX SERVICEMEN LEAGUE Navi Mumbai, affiliated to IESM,on 17 Dec 2009 at SIES College of Management NERUL Navi Mumbai, auditorium form 10 am to 1 pm.Over 200 dignitaries from different sectors of society including ESM and families attended.Infact extra chairs had to be placed to accommodate all.
The meeting commenced with two minutes silence to pay respect to those who laid their lives in the war. Lt Col DP Singh,President,welcomed all and explained the back ground of public function.He also high lighted the action awaited from local authorities in constructing a SAHEED SAMARAK,naming two roads in each node of Navi Mumbai after war heroes and allotting a office space to ESM organisation.Vice Admiral (Retd) IC Rao,PVSM,AVSM as Chairman spoke on Nation building & Security. Brig (Retd) SC Sharma gave a over view of 1971 war including interesting inputs from now declassified NIXON papers and other published material. Director SIES,Dr Sengupta narrated his personal sentiments being originally from Bangladesh and what is being done by Management Institutes for ESM. GOC,HQ MG&G Area sent a serving Brigadier as his representative.
Total of 12 speakers from Army ,Navy,Air Force narrated their first hand experiences of 1971 war,the audience repeatedly cheered the speakers, including one 83 year Sqn Ldr who deposited his medals for returning to President,the Supreme Commander.The meeting ended with National Anthem.
Electronic & print media was present in large numbers and pre function was covered in News papers.
Photographs of event would be sent little later.
Brigadier Dharam Prakash
09833377716
Dear All Veterans
ESM in and around Navi Mumbai organised a public function to celebrate VICTORY DAY of INDO PAK WAR 1971, under the banner of EX SERVICEMEN LEAGUE Navi Mumbai, affiliated to IESM,on 17 Dec 2009 at SIES College of Management NERUL Navi Mumbai, auditorium form 10 am to 1 pm.Over 200 dignitaries from different sectors of society including ESM and families attended.Infact extra chairs had to be placed to accommodate all.
The meeting commenced with two minutes silence to pay respect to those who laid their lives in the war. Lt Col DP Singh,President,welcomed all and explained the back ground of public function.He also high lighted the action awaited from local authorities in constructing a SAHEED SAMARAK,naming two roads in each node of Navi Mumbai after war heroes and allotting a office space to ESM organisation.Vice Admiral (Retd) IC Rao,PVSM,AVSM as Chairman spoke on Nation building & Security. Brig (Retd) SC Sharma gave a over view of 1971 war including interesting inputs from now declassified NIXON papers and other published material. Director SIES,Dr Sengupta narrated his personal sentiments being originally from Bangladesh and what is being done by Management Institutes for ESM. GOC,HQ MG&G Area sent a serving Brigadier as his representative.
Total of 12 speakers from Army ,Navy,Air Force narrated their first hand experiences of 1971 war,the audience repeatedly cheered the speakers, including one 83 year Sqn Ldr who deposited his medals for returning to President,the Supreme Commander.The meeting ended with National Anthem.
Electronic & print media was present in large numbers and pre function was covered in News papers.
Photographs of event would be sent little later.
Brigadier Dharam Prakash
09833377716
VIJAY DIWAS AT DOON VALLEY ---DESH KE SHAHID AMAR RAHE by Lt Col BM Thapa
Col KL Dewan with Brig KG Behl / Lt Col B M Thapa on pep talk
Maj Gen Nandwani, Lt Gen TPS Rawat,Brig Kg Behl,LtCol BM Thapa others With Maj Gen BC Khanduri,Ex CM
DESL Executive Committee Members-----------------------------------------------------
VJAY DIWAS AT DOON VALLEY ---DESH KE SHAHID AMAR RAHE
To remember the day of historical and decisive battle fought by Indian soldiers in 1971 for liberation of Bangladesh, homage was paid to MARTYRS at 1545 hrs on 16 Dec 09 at Dakra War Memorial, Dehradun Cantt. Not only all martyrs who sacrificed their life in 1971 war but also all war wounded soldiers of Doonite and their nearest and dearest were remembered on VIJAY DIWAS. Function was organized by Jhanda Committee, Dakra Shahid Chok, Dehradun Cantt which was attended by more 350 Doonites including veterans & their families.
Hon’ble Chairman Vidhan sabha Sh Harbans Kapoor was the chief guest and others who attended the Vijay Diwas were Sh Ganesh Joshi, ESM , MLA, Brig KG Behl,Retd, President Dehradun Ex-Services League, Lt Col B M Thapa, Retd, General Secretary Dehradun Ex-services League and Member IESM, Brig P S Gurung,Retd, Lt Col B S Chhetri,Retd,H/Capt P S Rana, H/Capt K B Thapa and many others.
Chief guest and President DESL disseminated the detail information about the VIJAY DIWAS and honoured all war widows, wounded veterans in war and their relatives by presenting souvenirs. Brig K G Behl during his address stressed on OROP and intimated the veterans and their families about all the efforts being taken at every level including by concerned authorities and IESM for an early favorable decision to over come the arouse irresistibility with the Central Govt for which as on today 20000 medals been deposited with President by the veterans.
In Put
Lt Col B M Thapa,Retd
Gen Secy, DESLand Member IESM.
Parity between pre and post 2006 retirees : Story not over yet !!?!! by Cdr KK Punchhi
Friday, December 18, 2009
Parity between pre and post 2006 retirees : Story not over yet !!?!!
The government had officially closed the chapter for grant of any additional benefit to pre-2006 retirees or any improvement in the modified parity already implemented (2.26 of old basic pension OR 50% of minimum of new pay band + Grade Pay + MSP when applicable, whichever is higher). Similarly, the government had also officially closed the chapter for grant of full pension to retirees who had been released between 01-01-2006 and 02-09-2008 after putting in 20 years of service. As we know, the government has already relented on the latter aspect and even issued the letter granting the benefit. Now it seems that there is going to be a re-think on improving the modified parity granted to pre-2006 pensioners.
In a meeting between the National Anomalies Committee on the 6th CPC Chaired by the Secretary Personnel, Govt of India, and the Confederation of Central Govt Employees and Workers, the government has decided to consider the issue once again. It would be worthwhile to state that almost all pensionary modalities made applicable to civil employees are extended to defence personnel also.
Parity between pre and post 2006 retirees : Story not over yet !!?!!
The government had officially closed the chapter for grant of any additional benefit to pre-2006 retirees or any improvement in the modified parity already implemented (2.26 of old basic pension OR 50% of minimum of new pay band + Grade Pay + MSP when applicable, whichever is higher). Similarly, the government had also officially closed the chapter for grant of full pension to retirees who had been released between 01-01-2006 and 02-09-2008 after putting in 20 years of service. As we know, the government has already relented on the latter aspect and even issued the letter granting the benefit. Now it seems that there is going to be a re-think on improving the modified parity granted to pre-2006 pensioners.
In a meeting between the National Anomalies Committee on the 6th CPC Chaired by the Secretary Personnel, Govt of India, and the Confederation of Central Govt Employees and Workers, the government has decided to consider the issue once again. It would be worthwhile to state that almost all pensionary modalities made applicable to civil employees are extended to defence personnel also.
Wednesday, December 16, 2009
Court pulls up government over missing soldier
Court pulls up government over missing soldier
December 16th, 2009 - 9:56 pm ICT by IANS
New Delhi, Dec 16 (IANS) The Delhi High Court Wednesday pulled up the government for not being able to get any information on a missing Indian soldier suspected to be in a Pakistani jail for the last 44 years.
“Your (government) attitude shows that nobody cares for the soldier. No information was gained by the government despite so many chances. It is not done,” said a division bench comprising Chief Justice Ajit Prakash Shah and Justice S.Muralidhar.
The court directed the government to contact the Ministry of External Affairs and file a status report regarding the information of Anand Patri by Jan 13.
The court warned the counsel appearing for government that if the status report was not filed then the defence secretary should be asked to be present in the court personally on the next date of hearing.
In its earlier report the government contended that “we have no record of Anand Patri after 1965. Though he took part in 1962 Indo-China conflict and also in the 1965 India-Pakistan war, but after this, he has not been traced and his name has not been found even amongst the prisoners of war of 1965.”
However, a right to information (RTI) query to the external affairs ministry in 2007 revealed that the Indian High Commission in Pakistan had been informed that an Indian national named
Naseem Gopal was lodged in a Pakistani jail.
Patri had seen a faded photograph of his father in an Oriya daily Feb 7, 2003 - 38 years after he went missing. The photograph, published by the Orissa government, identified him as Naseem Gopal, an inmate in a Pakistani jail for almost 40 years.
The court was hearing a public interest litigation filed by human rights activist Madangopal Khushiram Paul and lawyer Kishor Paul on behalf of Patri
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December 16th, 2009 - 9:56 pm ICT by IANS
New Delhi, Dec 16 (IANS) The Delhi High Court Wednesday pulled up the government for not being able to get any information on a missing Indian soldier suspected to be in a Pakistani jail for the last 44 years.
“Your (government) attitude shows that nobody cares for the soldier. No information was gained by the government despite so many chances. It is not done,” said a division bench comprising Chief Justice Ajit Prakash Shah and Justice S.Muralidhar.
The court directed the government to contact the Ministry of External Affairs and file a status report regarding the information of Anand Patri by Jan 13.
The court warned the counsel appearing for government that if the status report was not filed then the defence secretary should be asked to be present in the court personally on the next date of hearing.
In its earlier report the government contended that “we have no record of Anand Patri after 1965. Though he took part in 1962 Indo-China conflict and also in the 1965 India-Pakistan war, but after this, he has not been traced and his name has not been found even amongst the prisoners of war of 1965.”
However, a right to information (RTI) query to the external affairs ministry in 2007 revealed that the Indian High Commission in Pakistan had been informed that an Indian national named
Naseem Gopal was lodged in a Pakistani jail.
Patri had seen a faded photograph of his father in an Oriya daily Feb 7, 2003 - 38 years after he went missing. The photograph, published by the Orissa government, identified him as Naseem Gopal, an inmate in a Pakistani jail for almost 40 years.
The court was hearing a public interest litigation filed by human rights activist Madangopal Khushiram Paul and lawyer Kishor Paul on behalf of Patri
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CHENNAI- VIJAY DIWAS AND THE ONWARD MARCH OF IESM by Col Raman
CHENNAI- VIJAY DIWAS AND THE ONWARD MARCH OF IESM
Col (Retd) TN Raman
Today, 16 Dec 2009, the ESM of Chennai paid their homage to the Martyrs, at the War Memorial on the Marina Beach Road , for the first time. This could not have happened but for the support of the HQ ATNK Area & 5 JAK RIF Bn. The Veteran General Officers, Brigadiers, Officers & their equivalent ranks of all the three Services & JCOs , NCOs & Jawans, could pay their homage in near Military Style with the Band of 5 JAK RIF present. Our thanks to them & to Col A Krishnaswami, the highly decorated Veteran of JAK RIF .
What was on display was the spirit exhibited by the participants. There were 6 octogenarians. There was Lt Gen C Sundara Rao, 87 years young, Maj Gen Balasubramanian. R/Adm PP Sivamani, Air Cmde Amirthalingam, Brig Muthulakshmi from the MNS, Maj Gen Chattaraman the President of AFVOA , Maj Gen Govindaswamy & many more. Three decorated Veterans from the three Services laid the wreaths ; Col Krisnaswamy, R/Adm Sivamni & Sqn Ldr Nagarajan.
Wreaths were also laid by the Patron of AFVOA, Lt Gen Sundara Rao, Maj Gen Chattaraman, President of AFVOA & Col TN Raman, IESM.
A point I wish to clarify here. In Chennai, most of the Members of AFVOA, including the Patron, are also the members of IESM. So am I. The Veterans work as a team here, complementing each others efforts.
As per the Minutes of the AGM of IESM, Tamilnadu is one of the top four States leading in the IESM membership drive. It could be achieved mainly due to the ethos of ESM Unity developed here. A task undertaken by an ESM in the National Interest, is viewed as a task in general by all the other ESM Organisations. The ESM Organisations in Tamilnadu would like to grow in Uniting on issues affecting us as a community, than to divide to garner all the credit to themselves, individually. This year’s Vijay Diwas has reinforced the concept of UNITY.
Jai Hind !
Veteran Raman
Col (Retd) TN Raman
Today, 16 Dec 2009, the ESM of Chennai paid their homage to the Martyrs, at the War Memorial on the Marina Beach Road , for the first time. This could not have happened but for the support of the HQ ATNK Area & 5 JAK RIF Bn. The Veteran General Officers, Brigadiers, Officers & their equivalent ranks of all the three Services & JCOs , NCOs & Jawans, could pay their homage in near Military Style with the Band of 5 JAK RIF present. Our thanks to them & to Col A Krishnaswami, the highly decorated Veteran of JAK RIF .
What was on display was the spirit exhibited by the participants. There were 6 octogenarians. There was Lt Gen C Sundara Rao, 87 years young, Maj Gen Balasubramanian. R/Adm PP Sivamani, Air Cmde Amirthalingam, Brig Muthulakshmi from the MNS, Maj Gen Chattaraman the President of AFVOA , Maj Gen Govindaswamy & many more. Three decorated Veterans from the three Services laid the wreaths ; Col Krisnaswamy, R/Adm Sivamni & Sqn Ldr Nagarajan.
Wreaths were also laid by the Patron of AFVOA, Lt Gen Sundara Rao, Maj Gen Chattaraman, President of AFVOA & Col TN Raman, IESM.
A point I wish to clarify here. In Chennai, most of the Members of AFVOA, including the Patron, are also the members of IESM. So am I. The Veterans work as a team here, complementing each others efforts.
As per the Minutes of the AGM of IESM, Tamilnadu is one of the top four States leading in the IESM membership drive. It could be achieved mainly due to the ethos of ESM Unity developed here. A task undertaken by an ESM in the National Interest, is viewed as a task in general by all the other ESM Organisations. The ESM Organisations in Tamilnadu would like to grow in Uniting on issues affecting us as a community, than to divide to garner all the credit to themselves, individually. This year’s Vijay Diwas has reinforced the concept of UNITY.
Jai Hind !
Veteran Raman
PBOR????????????? by V Adm B Ghose
From: Barin Ghose bag1944@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 1:21:59 PM
Subject: PBOR?????????????
In the Navy the terms used were sailor and senior sailor. The latter reffered to Petty Officers and above. They mustered seperately and till 1970 wore uniforms different from the junior sailor and the term PO was even mentioned in the Navy Act When parity with Army JCOs in pay etc was sought two additional ranks above CPO were created namely MCPO II & MCPOI.
In the IAF parity was achieved by re naming the Flt Sergeant as JWO and the MWO above the WO.
The term inthe Army was traditionally other ranks. Even the NCO was a non commissioned officer. the term PBOR meant initially Personnel below Officer Rank. Since JCO was an officer he was out of the purview of the definition.
Gradually the term PBOR tended to include all except the commissioned officer.
Reccommend we revert to the original ie
· ARMY JCOs, NCOs and other ranks
· NAVY Senior Sailors, Petty Officers and junior sailors
· Air force Warrant Officers, NCOs and airmen
The above was rec in late nineties but nothing happened
Vice Admiral Barin Ghose (Retired)
Head Pension Cell
Indian Ex Servicemen Movement
B 449 Sushant Lok I
Gurgaon 122002 Haryana
Phone 124-4044069, Mobile 9871381479
E Mail bag1944@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 1:21:59 PM
Subject: PBOR?????????????
In the Navy the terms used were sailor and senior sailor. The latter reffered to Petty Officers and above. They mustered seperately and till 1970 wore uniforms different from the junior sailor and the term PO was even mentioned in the Navy Act When parity with Army JCOs in pay etc was sought two additional ranks above CPO were created namely MCPO II & MCPOI.
In the IAF parity was achieved by re naming the Flt Sergeant as JWO and the MWO above the WO.
The term inthe Army was traditionally other ranks. Even the NCO was a non commissioned officer. the term PBOR meant initially Personnel below Officer Rank. Since JCO was an officer he was out of the purview of the definition.
Gradually the term PBOR tended to include all except the commissioned officer.
Reccommend we revert to the original ie
· ARMY JCOs, NCOs and other ranks
· NAVY Senior Sailors, Petty Officers and junior sailors
· Air force Warrant Officers, NCOs and airmen
The above was rec in late nineties but nothing happened
Vice Admiral Barin Ghose (Retired)
Head Pension Cell
Indian Ex Servicemen Movement
B 449 Sushant Lok I
Gurgaon 122002 Haryana
Phone 124-4044069, Mobile 9871381479
E Mail bag1944@yahoo.co.in
Great Job Done Cdr Pathak and Gp Capt Pathak at Pune
Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
On behalf of YOU ALL, ‘i’ thank and congratulate Cdr RW Pathak and his team at Pune, for registering 193 ESM of IAF as members of IESM, in a single day – 16 Dec 09.
Great job done - Cdr Pathak and team.
Are the Heads of AFA at the state level and centre listening???
Will someone please wake them up!!!
Some of the other emails received are also reproduced below.
Two news cuttings received from Gen Secy, Dehra Dun ESL, are also attached.
In Service of Indian Military Veterans
Chander Kamboj.
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From: Ravindra Pathak raviwarsha@gmail.com
To: Maj Gen Satbir Singh satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: Brig C S Kamboj kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in ; Kirit Joshipura kiritjoshipura999@hotmail.com ; Maj Gen Pravesh Renjen prenjen@hotmail.com
Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 11:27:18 PM
Subject: Membership IAF personnel at Pune
Dear Sir
Today i had an opportunity to address a group of IAF personnel at their annual meeting at Pune.This was possible thanks to efforts by Gr Capt Pathak and the organizers of the meeting.The meeting was attended by 510 personnel including families.
I had 10 minutes to speak on IESM after Gr Capt Phatak spoke about Pensions and thereafter Col Deepak Karnik and self had a hectic time registering members.
At the end of the day we had 193 membership forms with us. I feel it was a combination of my emphasis on what we at IESM have achieved in the 3 Cells and the reduced fees that lead to such large numbers joining.
I will collate the details and forward the same in due course.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Member and Coordinator IESM Pension Cell
1 Surashri, 1146 Lakaki Road, Shivajinagar, Pune 411016
Jai Hind.
On behalf of YOU ALL, ‘i’ thank and congratulate Cdr RW Pathak and his team at Pune, for registering 193 ESM of IAF as members of IESM, in a single day – 16 Dec 09.
Great job done - Cdr Pathak and team.
Are the Heads of AFA at the state level and centre listening???
Will someone please wake them up!!!
Some of the other emails received are also reproduced below.
Two news cuttings received from Gen Secy, Dehra Dun ESL, are also attached.
In Service of Indian Military Veterans
Chander Kamboj.
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From: Ravindra Pathak raviwarsha@gmail.com
To: Maj Gen Satbir Singh satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: Brig C S Kamboj kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in ; Kirit Joshipura kiritjoshipura999@hotmail.com ; Maj Gen Pravesh Renjen prenjen@hotmail.com
Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 11:27:18 PM
Subject: Membership IAF personnel at Pune
Dear Sir
Today i had an opportunity to address a group of IAF personnel at their annual meeting at Pune.This was possible thanks to efforts by Gr Capt Pathak and the organizers of the meeting.The meeting was attended by 510 personnel including families.
I had 10 minutes to speak on IESM after Gr Capt Phatak spoke about Pensions and thereafter Col Deepak Karnik and self had a hectic time registering members.
At the end of the day we had 193 membership forms with us. I feel it was a combination of my emphasis on what we at IESM have achieved in the 3 Cells and the reduced fees that lead to such large numbers joining.
I will collate the details and forward the same in due course.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Member and Coordinator IESM Pension Cell
1 Surashri, 1146 Lakaki Road, Shivajinagar, Pune 411016
PROGRESS IESM Punjab and Chandigarh CHAPTER by Brig Nawab Singh
Dear All Veterans,
1. IESM Punjab and Chandigarh chapter meeting was held at Mohali attended by many Veterans naming a few Capt Sidhu,Maj Gujral,Col Sandhu,Col Sekhon,Col Minhas,Brig Kahlon,Brig Grewal,Brig Harwant and many other members.
2. Following steps for implementaion of Demand for OROP were were taken :-
A. Shortly meeting will be held with Rahul Gandhi and Mr Laloo Prasad Yadav to assist us in progressing our demand further.
B. Open Forum Discussion with Ms Bharkha Datt on OROP issue at Chandigarh and later be tele casted at Delhi.We will request prominent ESM to attend so that whole nation can watch the show.
C. District Conveners have been appointed.
D. Col Sandhu a famous MaJha ESM leader of Poohla fame and running an NGO of ESM has given his call to support IESM.
E. Capt Sidhu Ex 5 Para Regt has been unanimously elected as Chief Spokesperson of IESM -Punjab and Chandigarh.
3. A meeting of IESM was held at Delhi on 13 Dec attended by large number of ESM.Points discussed there will be sent soon.
4. A meeting of ESM,s of Five Southern states is being held today at Banglore.Approx 10000 ESM from all five states are attending.CM of Karnatka is addressing the meeting.IESM and IESl of all five Southern States have joined hands to fight for OROP.
Jai Hind,
Brig Nawab Singh
1. IESM Punjab and Chandigarh chapter meeting was held at Mohali attended by many Veterans naming a few Capt Sidhu,Maj Gujral,Col Sandhu,Col Sekhon,Col Minhas,Brig Kahlon,Brig Grewal,Brig Harwant and many other members.
2. Following steps for implementaion of Demand for OROP were were taken :-
A. Shortly meeting will be held with Rahul Gandhi and Mr Laloo Prasad Yadav to assist us in progressing our demand further.
B. Open Forum Discussion with Ms Bharkha Datt on OROP issue at Chandigarh and later be tele casted at Delhi.We will request prominent ESM to attend so that whole nation can watch the show.
C. District Conveners have been appointed.
D. Col Sandhu a famous MaJha ESM leader of Poohla fame and running an NGO of ESM has given his call to support IESM.
E. Capt Sidhu Ex 5 Para Regt has been unanimously elected as Chief Spokesperson of IESM -Punjab and Chandigarh.
3. A meeting of IESM was held at Delhi on 13 Dec attended by large number of ESM.Points discussed there will be sent soon.
4. A meeting of ESM,s of Five Southern states is being held today at Banglore.Approx 10000 ESM from all five states are attending.CM of Karnatka is addressing the meeting.IESM and IESl of all five Southern States have joined hands to fight for OROP.
Jai Hind,
Brig Nawab Singh
Tuesday, December 15, 2009
IESM MINUTES OF THE ANNUAL GENERAL BODY MEETING HELD ON 13 DEC 2009 AT NOIDA
MINUTES OF THE ANNUAL GENERAL BODY MEETING
HELD ON 13 DEC 09 AT AVCC SECTOR 37 NOIDA
WELCOME ADDRESS BY GEN SEC GP CAPT VK GANDHI VSM
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The Annual General Body meeting of IESM was attended by more than 400 members from Delhi, Haryana, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Karnataka, Punjab, Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra, Jammu and Kashmir, Kerala and Chandigarh. The meeting started at 1000h. Gen Sec Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM welcomed the members and noted that the corum was not complete adjourned the meeting and declared that meeting will reassemble after 30 min as per the company rule.
2. The AGM reassembled at 1035h with more than 400 members present and the proceedings and deliberations started.
3. Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM welcomed the members and read out the agenda for the meeting. He requested the Chairman Lt Gen (Emeritus) Raj Kadyan PVSM, AVSM VSM to address the meeting.
CHAIRMAN’S ADDRESS
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LT GEN (EMERITUS) RAJ KADYAN PVSM, AVSM, VSM
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4. Chairman addressed the assembly and explained to all that the IESM has been successful in bringing the OROP to the centre stage of the Government Radar. IESM is always careful of the image of the armed forces and would never take any step which would adversely affect the image of armed forces in public eye. Infact he commended the veterans that they have maintained their semblance while protesting for their rights and demands. It is this dignified behavior of the veterans which is being appreciated by all the countrymen. He further explained that there is no quick fix solution to the demand of OROP and it would be a long drawn fight with the Government. Veterans of the armed forces have the experience and knowledge of the Government functioning and their methods of taking decisions. This struggle would therefore be long and tedious and would have to be fought patiently. He also expressed that the novel idea of depositing the medals to the President of India is indeed very effective and the Government has no answer to this form of protest by the veterans. He explained to the house that even Government functionaries are clueless about how to tackle this problem of medal return. He told the house that the fact that the RRM Sh Pallamraju has made a statement in the Lok Sabha that the Government has accepted the recommendations of Cabinet secretary committee and hence all the veterans should take back their medals honourably. This indicates that the Government is uncomfortable with the return of medals by the veterans and does not have any answer to this problem. He explained to the members that recommendations of Cabinet Secretary Committee are far short of the demands of IESM hence there is no question of taking back the medals. He further exhorted the house that this method of protest of returning the medals should be intensified and IESM should continue to return the medals in very large numbers to the President to increase pressure on the Government. He further informed the house that IESM has asked for an appointment with the President of India and also with the Raksha Mantri but our request had still not been accepted because they do not have any suitable reply for our demands and our method of protest. Next date of returning of medals would be announced soon.
5. He informed the house that with the effort of IESM;
· The government has been forced to accept two demands of having a separate pay commission for the armed forces and of constituting an ESM Commission. Both these are part of IESM demands
· Two major political parties, BJP and CPM included the OROP issue in their election manifesto by categorically stating that if voted to power, they would sanction OROP. It may be relevant to recall that the same BJP had not sanctioned OROP during their over six years NDA rule.
· The President of India included mention of the term OROP in her address to the opening session of the Parliament on 04 June 2009. This was the first time in India’s history that the ‘taboo’ word was used by the First Citizen of the country.
· Substantial pension benefits for pre 1997 PBOR are in the pipe line and an amount of Rs 2144 Crore has already been set aside for this purpose.
6. He further told the house that three division of the IESM have been accepted by the veterans and all the veterans are very appreciative of the work done by the divisions. Many veterans are approaching these divisions with their problems and veterans are being helped in all possible ways.
7. The Chairman also informed the house that it is very important to increase the members of IESM because increased number of members increases the strength of IESM and would put more pressure on the Government. He informed the house that in deference to the desire of the many veterans it has been decided to reduce the membership fee for the new members for a period of one month upto 16 Jan 10. As per this amnesty, during this one month an officer would pay a subscription of Rs 100, a JCO would pay Rs 40 and a sepoy would pay Rs 10 as against existing Rs 500 for officers, Rs 200 for JCOs and Rs 100 for ORs. He hoped that this would generate greater response from the veterans and there would be manifold jump in the numbers of members of IESM. The decision would be reviewed after one month.
8. He wished all the veterans very best in New Year and exhorted them to continue to put in their full efforts and make this movement successful.
TREASURER SPEECH; MAJ GEN PK RENJEN AVSM
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9. Treasurer Maj Gen Renjen explained the details to the account statement to the house and replied to the queries of the members. Account statement was passed with voice vote with no dissent.
10. It was proposed by one member that expenses incurred by members of the Governing Body on a day to day basis in doing their official IESM activities should be reimbursed, which is a norm with all societies and organisations. All members present appreciated the dedication with which functionaries of IESM are working and spending money from their own pockets for day to day expenditure incurred by them on IESM activities. The member expressed that it cannot go on for long and would, sooner or later, adversely affect the commitment of its officials and IESM functioning. The proposal was supported by all members attending the AGM by show of hands. However, it was explained that IESM does not have adequate funds at present to reimburse such expenses and that a decision in this regard may be pended for later. The Governing Body re-iterated its commitment and willingness to work for the IESM pro-bono and meet their individual day to day expenses for the same from their own pockets. It was further declared that a guideline on type and quantum of expenditure that may be so reimbursed to the members of the Governing Body will be circulated before a decision is taken on the issue.
11. Treasurer also explained that in this year donations have reduced as compared to last year and till end of November IESM has spent more than the income for the year. He exhorted all the members to help arrange for donations for IESM to meet expenditure for day to day running and arranging protest marches/rallies. There was an instant response and all present agreed to make their best attempts to arrange for more donations. Following two ESMs immediately came forward to contribute for IESM.
· Col RL Goel agreed to give Rs 10000/ every year for IESM.
· Cdr Pran Prashar gave a cheque of Rs 7000 for IESM. He has given donation to IESM at earlier occasions also.
12. Treasurer informed all present that the conveners of UP, Mahrarashtra, Tamilnadu and Karnataka have done very good work and have enrolled maximum veterans as member of IESM. Efforts put in by following conveners were appreciated by the house.
· Hony capt SN Sharma from Kanpur Uttar Pradesh
· Cdr Ravi Warsha Pathak from Pune Maharashtra
· Col TN Raman from Chennai Tamilnadu
· Col Rajan from Bangaluru Karnataka
13. Full speech of the Treasurer Maj Gen PK Renjen AVSM is attached at annexure I.
SELECTION OF CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT
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14. Chartered accountant M/s Rajiv Varun and company were approved by the house with voice vote for the year 2009-10..
POINTS FROM THE MEMBERS
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15. Brig Kuthalia, Member ECHS div, explained to the house that he is looking for volunteers for working with the ECHS polyclinics. He appreciated the work done by the veterans in polyclinic in Secunderabad. He explained to the house that at the moment there are 227 polyclinics are functioning and in next three years another 197 polyclinics would be set up to look after the health of veterans. He further informed the house that the MD ECHS has a very positive approach and gives full support to the suggestions of the IESM.
16. Lt Gen Jagdish Chander explained the working of the CSD canteen and profit sharing formula of the CSD. It was pointed out by the veterans that profit earned by the CSD canteens from the veterans should be spent for the welfare of the veterans. He accepted that the proposal was good and would be taken up with the authorities.
17. Col Vikaram Singh informed the house that the IESM has made a deep impact on the Government and asked all the veterans across the country to give full support to IESM and put more pressure on Government. He informed the house that he is planning an all India meet of the veterans in Mathura and invited all veterans to attend the meet. Date and venue will be informed after the details are finalised..
MAJ GEN SATBIR SINGH SM VICE CHAIRMAN
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18. Maj Gen Satbir Singh implored all present to put in their full might to increase pressure on the Govt. He asked all present to take a vow that each district should make 2000 members and also should collect a minimum of 2000 medals for returning to the President. This is the only way in which we can increase the strength of IESM and return a large number of medals to the President..
NEW MEMBERS
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19. Fifty eight new members joined IESM during the AGM with effort of Hony Capt Dheer Singh of Gurgaon..
RETURN OF MEDALS
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20. More than 500 medals were returned with the effort of Hony Captain Rathee from Jhajjar..
CLOSING ADDRESS BY GEN SEC GP CAPT VK GANDHI VSM
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21. General Secretary thanked following on behalf of IESM Governing Body for successful conduct of Annual General Body meeting of IESM.
All present for attending the first Annual General Body meeting of IESM.
The management of Arun Vihar Community Centre for providing the AVCC and the facilities for smooth conduct of the AGM.
President AVCC RS Pathania for sponsoring the tea and snacks by the AVCC as a welfare measure for ex-servicemen.
Press and media for covering the AGM in detail.
22. There being no other point the meeting was closed at 1300h.
23. Picture’s of the meeting are enclosed. (Not attached with this email)
Regards
Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
L - 48, Sector - 25,
NOIDA. 201301
Tele no 01202519440
Mobile 09810541222
Date 14 Dec 2009
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Annexure I To Min of AGM
Of IESM Held on 13 Dec 09.
MAJ GEN RENJEN AVSM TREASURER’S SPEECH TO THE AGM OF IESM ON 13 DEC 09
The Treasurer’s Statement at the AGM on 13 Dec, 2009
Financials as on 31 Mar, 2009
1. Receipts
a) Membership Fee – 9,15,180.00
b) Donations – 14,28,204.00
c) Total – 23,43,384.00
2. Expenditure – 5,75,363.00
3. Balance
a) Fixed Deposits – 16,00,000.00
b) Cash, Bank & others – 1,68,021.00
c) Total - 17,68,021.00
4. Explanation on Expenditure.
a) Mostly on Dharnas/ Rallies and associated items.
b) Nothing has been spent to reimburse expenses incurred on a daily basis by the members of the Governing Body (also known as the Steering committee).
c) Legal & professional Charges of Rs. 25,000/- are towards the retainer given to Advocate Nidesh Gupta to fight our case for ‘one rank one pension’ as and when it is decided to file the suit. Advocate Nidesh Gupta is the same lawyer who had won the Maj Gens case in the Supreme Court in Sep 2008.
Answer Questions by members, if any.
Balance Sheet for 2008 – 09 put to vote for approval.
Appointment of Auditors for the current year (2009 – 10)
5. The present auditors M/S Rajiv Varun & Co were appointed at an annual consideration of Rs 48,000.00, to conduct the statutory audit as also to maintain our accounts on a fortnightly basis. They have done their task most commendably.
6. It is proposed to re-appoint M/S Rajiv Varun & Co for the current year too on the same terms and conditions and the approval of the General body is sought for the same.
Additional Comments by the Treasurer
Brief on Financials of 01 Apr, 2009 to 30 Nov, 2009
7. Receipts
a) Membership Fee – 5,72,100.00
b) Donations – 4,23,869.00
c) Total – 9,95,969.00
8. Expenditure – 4,96,547.00
9. Balance
a) Fixed Deposits – 19,00,000.00
b) Cash, Bank & others – 3,24,542.00
c) Total – 22,24,542.00
10. Explanation on Expenditure.
a) Besides expenditure on centrally conducted Dharnas/ Rallies and associated items, which have reduced, there have also been expenses incurred locally by the Convenors at different places for their activities for mobilising greater membership – like, gatherings, printing and travel etc.
b) Once again, nothing has been spent to reimburse expenses incurred on a daily basis by the members of the Governing Body (also known as the Steering committee).
c) Additional, wholly unnecessary, expense is being incurred this year to defend the suit filed against IESM by Col Bhardwaj through his wife, Mrs Shiksha Bhardwaj in conjunction with Maj Jakhar, Hav Balwan and Hav Sheoran. Basic information about the suit filed by these personnel have already been informed to all.
Implications of Income Tax Regulations Governing Expenditure
11. Revenues against Life Membership Fee, which is what we have, cannot be used for day to day expenditure for our activities. We may, however, spend it to create physical assets. The receipts under this head are to be kept in a ‘Corpus’ Fund to give strength to the Organisation.
12. Revenues against donations can only be spent up to 85% of receipts under this head. 15% of receipts are also to be transferred to the ‘Corpus’ Fund. However, this 15% can be spent for our activities, if required, by a special resolution of the Governing Body.
13. While last year, in just 3 months of our existence, we had received donations of Rs 14,28,204.00 and had saved Rs 6,38,610.00 for spending in future years, if required. But, this year in the last 8 months, we have received only Rs 4,23,869.00 and have overspent Rs 1,36,258.00 already. The balance available for spending, therefore, not counting the 15% put away in to ‘Corpus’ is only Rs 5,02,352.00.
14. The imperative for more donations to sustain IESM needs no further explanation. Increased membership alone will not help.
15. Many members have been critical of The Governing Body (also known as The Steering Committee) for reasons like;
a) Non despatch of Membership Cards,
b) Non allotment of Membership Nos,
c) Names not entered in the members’ list,
d) Tardy response to members’ queries on the above issues,
e) Wrong data entries – duplicates, spelling errors etc,
f) Web site not user friendly,
g) No response to members’ ‘Feedback’ comments posted on the web site and many more complaints.
16. All the criticism is fully justified. In fact, today I have over 400 members whose names are yet to be entered in the list. We may give any amount of assurances of a better response but, if the truth be said, we can do no better. Due to shortage of funds, we have been unable to rent and set up an office and hire minimal staff. We work from homes and the work is such that we have never done before in life.
17. The Chairman has recently announced drastic reductions in the Membership Fee, as a trial measure, for a month. The hope is that the reduction will encourage more ESM to join. That may well happen but would be truly useful only if donations increase manifold alongside. Otherwise, we will not be able to service the new members and there will be many more complaints than now. Worse, the IESM’s sustenance will become difficult.
18. My purpose of giving the above implications was to acquaint you with realities and to request you all to mobilise donations from ESM and the corporate world..
Veterans Meet at DSOI Dehra Dun
Maj Gen Nandwani, Lt Gen TPS Rawat, brig Kg Behl, Lt Col BM Thapa & others With Maj Gen B C Khanduri, Ex CM 
Col KL Dewan with Brig KG Behl & Lt Col B M Thapa on pep talkGet to gather of officers & families was organized by Dehradun Ex-Services League on 14 Dec 09 at DSOI. More than 160 defence officers and families from three services of Army, Navy & Air Force attended the function . Many of senior veterans met after long spell of time refreshed their old reminiscences. Brig KG Behl, President Dehradun Ex-Services League along with Col K L Dewan and Lt Col B M Thapa, Gen Secy ,DESL,gave brief talk on ONE RANK ONE PENSION and disseminated the valuable information about burning issue of one rank one pension as per the details given below so that Govt can accept the workable plan once the detail presentation given to them for which letter has already been sent to concerned authorities.
Band concert of ASC unit was enjoyed by every one. Complimentary drinks were offered to all by Sapper veteran Lt Col S K Makin, Makin Associates. Veterans, those who attended the function were:- Maj Gen B C Khanduri,AVSM, Ex CM, Lt Gen H B Kala, Lt Gen T P S Rawat, Air Marshl D C Dhyani, , Air Comde A K Khanna, Air Comde P badoni, Lt Gen Y S Tomar, Lt Gen C B Jhaldiyal, Maj Gen Pranav Dutt,Maj Gen P K Gosain,Maj Gen P K Chhiber,, Maj Gen Shamsher Singh, Brig P S Gurung, Brig K G Behl,president DESL, Brig M K Shukla, Lt Col B M Thapa, General Secretary D E S L, Lt Col B S Chhetri,Lt Col R P Jairath, Lt Col R K Arya, Lt Col S S Thapa, Col R C Joshi & others.
In Put
Lt Col B M Thapa, Retd,Gen Secy, Dehradun Ex-Serivices League
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6th Pay Commission has made recommendations on the basis of Data fed to them by MOD. If the Data fed is wrong the recommendations are bound to be wrong. This is exactly what has happened in the case of Defence Forces in 6th CPC awards. Piecemeal decisions of committees, based on limited data supplied by MOD, further complicated the issues.
Defence Forces had no representation in the 6th CPC and MOD supplied Data to them and all the committees made by the Govt., where again there was no representation of Defence Forces. Salient points required for consideration and on the basis of which decisions were to be taken were either not presented to them or were presented in distorted form. Those include the following;
1. That during 3rd CPC all Officers, JCOs and Jawans retired at the maximum of the scale in which they were working at the time of retirement and were given 50%: as pension subject to completion of 30 years of service.
1.The Fourth Pay Commission granted Military Pay, called Rank Pay from 1.1.1986, which was to be over and above the normal Pay but our financial Pundits gave the Rank Pay but reduced the Substantive Pay of the Rank by an amount equivalent to Rank Pay granted. It not only nullified the affect of giving Rank Pay over and above the normal Pay, but lowered the substantive Pay by that much of amount. It amounted to not only getting less emoluments but losing the status and allowances which accrue on that amount.
2.Secondly, the 4th CPC recommended fixation of Pay under integrated Pay Scale so that officers may keep on getting their increments of Pay even after they were over looked for higher promotions But our Financial Pundits did not allow even that and carried out bunching where they were denied increments envisaged there in.
3. In Fifth Pay Commission the Rank Pay got doubled and they showed it as paid in pay slip but since the deduction made from basic pay was not restored , we actually got half the rank pay and also lost the benefit of getting more TA/DA on that amount.
4. The basic Pay being drawn by Defence Officers on 1.1.2006 as submitted to the 6th CPC was less in comparison with the civilian counterparts by the amount equivalent to their rank pay. Working on this less Basic Pay the 6th CPC has give less Grade Pay to Defence Officers in comparison to their civilian counterparts, which is very evident from the anomalies noticed. The basic Pay of jawans has to be raised to higher scales as he is a highly skilled person and not an ordinary peon or chaprasi. He knows how to handle weapons and goes to field area to fight against the enemy at the stake of his life.
5. To remove the word of Rank Pay, where the problem was created, the sixth Pay Commission coined the word Military Pay, there by removing the very important rank structure on which the Armed Forces exist and recommended Rs. 1000/- to PBOR, which was later increased to Rs. 2000/- and Rs.6000/- to officers as Military Pay.
6. A number of committees were formed and they made recommendations piecemeal as they were not fully apprised of all facts and made recommendations on the basis of data provided to them. These created more confusion as while setting one thing right they disturbed other parts of which they were not made aware. In some cases instead of bridging the gaps they widened those. Unless the things are seen in totality and fully understood, it is not possible to arrive at decisions which are beneficial to all.
7. The story does not end here but extends to issuing of instructions to PDAs again and again. You will be surprised to know that in quite a number of cases the payments are yet to be made by the PDAs under one or the other excuse showing their ignorance of rules wanting data which is already available with PCDAs, Thus, the arrears which were to be paid by 1.1.2009.are still pending. Actually PCDAs should have worked out the arrears due themselves and told PDAs to simply pay, there would have been no confusion and delay but PCSAs dumped their duty on PDAs, who had neither the extra staff nor the know how to work out arrears properly, delayed matters.
8. Secondly, the 6th Pay commission Recommendations which have been accepted by the Govt., make no where mention of the Pension would be worked on the basis of Lowest of the new scales introduced and the examples for working out Pay, given there in, illustrate how on the basis of ‘Grade Pay’ the Pay is to be calculated and 50% of the same will be Pension. It is surprising as to how the word Minimum of the new Scale has been coined when there is no mention of that in the Gazette Notification.
The matter was referred to PCDA(P) Allahabad, who has said that it is a matter of Policy and be taken up with authorities who issued .Original letters. Once a Gazette Notification has been issued there is no question of further Policy on that. It should be paid as per Govt. Notification. This itself makes difference of Rs.600/- to 4000/- per month from Jawan to Officers.
9. We are glad that improvements have been made in the pension of some ranks but still more is required and can be done.
We in Dehradun constitutes a team, under Col K.L.Dewan, the well known expert on pension matters, comprising of Brig K.G.Behl and Cdr Sanjiv Dewan who have worked out a table where on the basis of length of rank held at the time of retirement, data has been worked out for all ranks which fits in well with the concept of one rank one pension on the basis of equal number of years spent in rank in which one retired and equal pension. If taken in totality the Govt. can manage within the sanctioned budget, keeping in mind the funds which are likely to accrue and would have to be paid once pending Court cases get decided.
A demo can be given to the Minister of Defence and the team of officials he appoints ,who are capable to take decision on such matters, once they make up their mind that one rank one pension has to be implemented as desired by the President of India in her address to the Parliament on 4th June 2009.
Let us hope and wish that some solution works out soon.
Brig(Retd) K.G.Behl
President Dehradun Ex- Services League
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Brij Mohan Thapa
Sent: Mon, 14 December, 2009 11:22:50 PM
Subject: FW: VETERAN OFFICERS & FAMILIES GET TO GATHER AT OF DOON VALLEY AT DSOI DEHRADUN ON 14 DEC 09
Dear Brig Kamoj,
Cordial regards.
Further to my previous mail to you, the following veteran officers have become life member of IESM from Doon Valley whose contribution is being deposited in HDFC bank as per the procedure:-
1.SQN LDR D K BALI
2.MAJOR VINOD KUMAR BALI
3.LT COL K B SETHI
4.BRIG K J BEHL
5.COL B B UPRETI
6.LT COL AMAR SINGH BHANDARI
7.COL RAMESH CHANDRA JOSHI
8.LT COL B S CHHETRI
9.LT COL R K CHAWLA
10.LT COL R K ARYA
11.LT COL DIWAN SINGH KHADKA
In Put
Lt Col B M Thapa,Veteran
gen Secy, DESL & Member IESM
VETERAN OFFICERS & FAMILIES GET TO GATHER AT OF DOON VALLEY AT DSOI DEHRADUN ON 14 DEC 09
Get to gather of officers & families was organized by Dehradun Ex-Services League on 14 Dec 09 at DSOI. More than 160 defence officers and families from three services of Army, Navy & Air Force attended the function . Many of senior veterans met after long spell of time refreshed their old reminiscences. Brig KG Behl, President Dehradun Ex-Services League along with Col K L Dewan and Lt Col B M Thapa, Gen Secy ,DESL,gave brief talk on ONE RANK ONE PENSION and disseminated the valuable information about burning issue of one rank one pension as per the details given below so that Govt can accept the workable plan once the detail presentation given to them for which letter has already been sent to concerned authorities.
Band concert of ASC unit was enjoyed by every one. Complimentary drinks were offered to all by Sapper veteran Lt Col S K Makin, Makin Associates. Veterans, those who attended the function were:- Maj Gen B C Khanduri,AVSM, Ex CM, Lt Gen H B Kala, Lt Gen T P S Rawat, Air Marshl D C Dhyani, , Air Comde A K Khanna, Air Comde P badoni, Lt Gen Y S Tomar, Lt Gen C B Jhaldiyal, Maj Gen Pranav Dutt,Maj Gen P K Gosain,Maj Gen P K Chhiber,, Maj Gen Shamsher Singh, Brig P S Gurung, Brig K G Behl,president DESL, Brig M K Shukla, Lt Col B M Thapa, General Secretary D E S L, Lt Col B S Chhetri,Lt Col R P Jairath, Lt Col R K Arya, Lt Col S S Thapa, Col R C Joshi & others.
In Put
Lt Col B M Thapa, Retd,Gen Secy, Dehradun Ex-Serivices League
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Monday, December 14, 2009
Human Rights Commission - Misplaced compliments
From: Ravindran Major majorravi@gmail.com
To: minister-law@kerala.gov.in
Cc: speaker@niyamasabha.org; chiefminister@kerala.gov.in
Sent: Sun, 13 December, 2009 8:01:00 AM
Subject: [SoldiersForDemocracy] Human Rights Commission - Misplaced compliments
Mr Minister
I have read a report wherein it was mentioned that you had complimented the Kerala State Human Rights Commission for the exemplery work it has been doing. I am writing to you now to place on record the fact that you have not only exposed your own ignorance and incompetence but also insulted the citizens who have been approaching the Commission seeking justice and waiting endlessly for the same. I do not know if you are aware that these quasi judicial institutions- Human Rights Commission, Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission, Womens Commission etc- have been set up to deliver easy, fast and free justice but have grossly failed in their tasks. Taking the example of the HRC itself, I had the occassion to approach them with a complaint when 13 of us activists were arrested by the police for holding a dharna in front of the venue where the Chief Information Commissioner of the Kerala State Information Commission was the chief guest. In a state where illegal bandhs masqurading as hartals is the order of the day and police refuse to register FIRs even when citizens approach them with serious complaints, this obviously was a gross human rights violation. So initially a copy of the complaint addressed to the police authorities themselves and the Home Minister was endorsed to the Human Rights Commission also. But it was NOT accepted on the ground that copies of complaints addressed to other authorities will not be accepted. Subsequently, I lodged a complaint addressed to them during their sitting here at Palakkad on 26/5/08. NO acknowledgement was given. After three months, when the Commission held its sitting here, on enquiry I was told that the matter was being investigated. Next time I was told that since it involved another Commission, legal opinion was being sought. This was a patent lie because there was no other Commission involved in the complaint as it was purely against the Dy SP for abuse of authority. Though the dharna was held against the CIC there was NO official complaint from him (or, for that matter, from the organisers or participants of their program). Third time I was told that the report from the police has been sought but response was awaited. Finally in Apr 2009, I was told that the complaint was not traceable and I was asked to submit another copy. I refused to submit a fresh copy until I was informed in writing the disposal of my original complaint. It was then, after returning to Thiruvananthapuram, that I was rung up and informed of the complaint number (2752/08)! Thereafter both the present Chairman and one member have held single member sittings here and on both occassions they have expressed ignorance of the matter because they were new to the job!
Meanwhile the case filed by the police in the court of the Judicial First Class Magistrate here has been dismissed! Well, though the case was ultimately dismissed it cannot be overstated that the process was indeed a torture in itself. More about that later.
Coming back to the HRC, you may also be aware of the report that appeared in the media sometime back about the then Chairman of the Commission holding regular sittings of the Commission at Guruvayur, the most famous temple town in Kerala, on the 1st of every malayalam month. It doesn't need much intelligence to understand what sort of hearing was being held there so regularly. I do not know if even after that exposure you had botherd to check about the goings on in the Commission. For example, which are the locations other than district headquarters where the Commission was holding sittings (as different from visiting a site in connection with a particular case), the periodicity and regularity of such sittings, whether they were holding such sittings as per a schdule that was drawn up and published well in advance etc. In fact it may be investigated why this and other commissions cannot hold their sittings at various district headquarters on fixed days of the month. It must also be ensured that when there is failure to abide by this schedule a report is immediately forwarded by the Chairman to the Minister, or a monitoring cell instituted by him, giving the detailed reasons for such failure. I also take this opportunity to suggest that a study of the cost to exchequer of this and similar other commissions vis a vis their performances should be undertaken and I can guarantee that it would be an eye opener.
Yours truly
P M Ravindran
Aathira, Kalpathy-678003
Tel: 0491-2576042
To: minister-law@kerala.gov.in
Cc: speaker@niyamasabha.org; chiefminister@kerala.gov.in
Sent: Sun, 13 December, 2009 8:01:00 AM
Subject: [SoldiersForDemocracy] Human Rights Commission - Misplaced compliments
Mr Minister
I have read a report wherein it was mentioned that you had complimented the Kerala State Human Rights Commission for the exemplery work it has been doing. I am writing to you now to place on record the fact that you have not only exposed your own ignorance and incompetence but also insulted the citizens who have been approaching the Commission seeking justice and waiting endlessly for the same. I do not know if you are aware that these quasi judicial institutions- Human Rights Commission, Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission, Womens Commission etc- have been set up to deliver easy, fast and free justice but have grossly failed in their tasks. Taking the example of the HRC itself, I had the occassion to approach them with a complaint when 13 of us activists were arrested by the police for holding a dharna in front of the venue where the Chief Information Commissioner of the Kerala State Information Commission was the chief guest. In a state where illegal bandhs masqurading as hartals is the order of the day and police refuse to register FIRs even when citizens approach them with serious complaints, this obviously was a gross human rights violation. So initially a copy of the complaint addressed to the police authorities themselves and the Home Minister was endorsed to the Human Rights Commission also. But it was NOT accepted on the ground that copies of complaints addressed to other authorities will not be accepted. Subsequently, I lodged a complaint addressed to them during their sitting here at Palakkad on 26/5/08. NO acknowledgement was given. After three months, when the Commission held its sitting here, on enquiry I was told that the matter was being investigated. Next time I was told that since it involved another Commission, legal opinion was being sought. This was a patent lie because there was no other Commission involved in the complaint as it was purely against the Dy SP for abuse of authority. Though the dharna was held against the CIC there was NO official complaint from him (or, for that matter, from the organisers or participants of their program). Third time I was told that the report from the police has been sought but response was awaited. Finally in Apr 2009, I was told that the complaint was not traceable and I was asked to submit another copy. I refused to submit a fresh copy until I was informed in writing the disposal of my original complaint. It was then, after returning to Thiruvananthapuram, that I was rung up and informed of the complaint number (2752/08)! Thereafter both the present Chairman and one member have held single member sittings here and on both occassions they have expressed ignorance of the matter because they were new to the job!
Meanwhile the case filed by the police in the court of the Judicial First Class Magistrate here has been dismissed! Well, though the case was ultimately dismissed it cannot be overstated that the process was indeed a torture in itself. More about that later.
Coming back to the HRC, you may also be aware of the report that appeared in the media sometime back about the then Chairman of the Commission holding regular sittings of the Commission at Guruvayur, the most famous temple town in Kerala, on the 1st of every malayalam month. It doesn't need much intelligence to understand what sort of hearing was being held there so regularly. I do not know if even after that exposure you had botherd to check about the goings on in the Commission. For example, which are the locations other than district headquarters where the Commission was holding sittings (as different from visiting a site in connection with a particular case), the periodicity and regularity of such sittings, whether they were holding such sittings as per a schdule that was drawn up and published well in advance etc. In fact it may be investigated why this and other commissions cannot hold their sittings at various district headquarters on fixed days of the month. It must also be ensured that when there is failure to abide by this schedule a report is immediately forwarded by the Chairman to the Minister, or a monitoring cell instituted by him, giving the detailed reasons for such failure. I also take this opportunity to suggest that a study of the cost to exchequer of this and similar other commissions vis a vis their performances should be undertaken and I can guarantee that it would be an eye opener.
Yours truly
P M Ravindran
Aathira, Kalpathy-678003
Tel: 0491-2576042
IESM PUNE GET TOGETHER
From: Ravindra Pathak
Date: 2009/12/11
Subject: IESM PUNE GET TOGETHER
To:
Dear Sir
The much delayed IESM members Lunch get together is now planned for
24 Jan 2010. We are expecting Col Kirit Joshipura Convener Maharashtra, Hq IESM, and Gr Capt V K Gandhi, Gen Secretary IESM, to be with us on that day.
The Venue for event is
VIVEKANAND HALL
WRANGLER PARANJAPE ROAD
OFF APTE ROAD
VEHICULAR ENTRY FROM FC ROAD LANE NEXT TO VAISHALI
PEDESTRIAN ENTRY FROM APTE ROAD OPPOSITE THE UNITED BANK OF INDIA distance 50 meters
The members are requested to gather by 1100 hrs at the venue. We will have a small update on various issues by the Delhi Members followed by some interaction between members and then Lunch at about 1230 hrs.
All members and family are invited to the meet. The per head contribution will be Rs 150.ANY SAVINGS DUE TO INCREASED ATTENDANCE WILL BE GIVEN AS DONATION TO IESM.
Please encourage your other friends who are not members to also come and join. The membership for them will be done on the spot.
You are also requested to inform those of your friends who are members but not on internet. I shall of course try to call them on landline.
Medals for depositing with the President of India will also be collected on that day. So don't forget to get the medals.
Kindly confirm you will attend single or with wife. Please indicate if some more friends would also attend with you. Conformation to reach me by 16 Jan 2010 latest.
If amount can also be sent in the Name of Cdr R W Pathak, it would be appreciated.
Any donations are most welcome
Brgds
R W Pathak
IESM
Pune
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Date: 2009/12/11
Subject: IESM PUNE GET TOGETHER
To:
Dear Sir
The much delayed IESM members Lunch get together is now planned for
24 Jan 2010. We are expecting Col Kirit Joshipura Convener Maharashtra, Hq IESM, and Gr Capt V K Gandhi, Gen Secretary IESM, to be with us on that day.
The Venue for event is
VIVEKANAND HALL
WRANGLER PARANJAPE ROAD
OFF APTE ROAD
VEHICULAR ENTRY FROM FC ROAD LANE NEXT TO VAISHALI
PEDESTRIAN ENTRY FROM APTE ROAD OPPOSITE THE UNITED BANK OF INDIA distance 50 meters
The members are requested to gather by 1100 hrs at the venue. We will have a small update on various issues by the Delhi Members followed by some interaction between members and then Lunch at about 1230 hrs.
All members and family are invited to the meet. The per head contribution will be Rs 150.ANY SAVINGS DUE TO INCREASED ATTENDANCE WILL BE GIVEN AS DONATION TO IESM.
Please encourage your other friends who are not members to also come and join. The membership for them will be done on the spot.
You are also requested to inform those of your friends who are members but not on internet. I shall of course try to call them on landline.
Medals for depositing with the President of India will also be collected on that day. So don't forget to get the medals.
Kindly confirm you will attend single or with wife. Please indicate if some more friends would also attend with you. Conformation to reach me by 16 Jan 2010 latest.
If amount can also be sent in the Name of Cdr R W Pathak, it would be appreciated.
Any donations are most welcome
Brgds
R W Pathak
IESM
Pune
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Just to add an observation on OROP:
From: AVM S Krishnaswamy [mailto:avm_krishnaswamy@hotmail.com]
Sent: 13 December 2009 06:42
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: RE: SOME OF THE EMAILS RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS - EMAIL 823/2009 - 13 DEC 09 (H to Z)
Just to add an observation on OROP:
The concept of OROP has been misinterpreted at various levels as the same ramk same pension irrespective of other factors as differing length of service, the period for which the rank was held at the time of retirement with corresponding increments in the rank etc. In a masterly 'Analysis of the Cabinet Committee's Recommendation dates 30-Jun 09', Maj Gen Radhakrishnan had pointed this out and introduced a more appropriate phrase-Absolute Parity in Pension (APIP) in the place of One Rank One Pension (OROP). This would clarify the position as 'Same Rank, Same Length of Service Same Pension' including thus the influence of varying average emoluments due to varying length of service as well. This would also be in keeping with the spirit of the observations of the Supreme Court.
Krishnaswamy
---------
From: Ravindran Major [mailto:majorravi@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 December 2009 07:41
To: Kamboj Chander
Cc: rajkadyan@yahoo.com; satbirsm@yahoo.com; prenjen@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: SOME OF THE EMAILS RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS - EMAIL 823/2009 - 13 DEC 09 (H to Z)
Dear Sir
The other day I just read that our DSP had been promoted to SSP and now he is expected to take over as Commissioner of Police at Erankulam in Jan when he is expected to be elevated to DIG. He is from 1996 IPS batch. Even with all the restructuring-including Col at 20 (has it been notified yet?) we are no patch on them and they are no patch on the babus either. I do not know if any veteran has got any data on the career progression of these IAS/IFS/IPS lot so that a tabular comparison can be made and, if necessary, advertised in the media.
I made an attempt but the info provided by the DoPT is so vague that it cannot be tabulated in any worthwhile manner.
Also there was a report that the intake at IMA has increased. Given an earlier report that QR should be relaxed as a one time measure to make up the shortage of officers I get the feeling that even though it was officialy opposed by services hqs then it has now been quitely put through.
Lastly, the National Ex-Servicemen Co-ordination Committee is going for a rail roko on 15 Dec. In Kerala it being done only at Ernakulam. Though I do not consider it wise to cause harassment to the common public , it appears that it has become the only language that the people in the corridors of power seems to understand.
regards n bw
ravi
Sent: 13 December 2009 06:42
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: RE: SOME OF THE EMAILS RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS - EMAIL 823/2009 - 13 DEC 09 (H to Z)
Just to add an observation on OROP:
The concept of OROP has been misinterpreted at various levels as the same ramk same pension irrespective of other factors as differing length of service, the period for which the rank was held at the time of retirement with corresponding increments in the rank etc. In a masterly 'Analysis of the Cabinet Committee's Recommendation dates 30-Jun 09', Maj Gen Radhakrishnan had pointed this out and introduced a more appropriate phrase-Absolute Parity in Pension (APIP) in the place of One Rank One Pension (OROP). This would clarify the position as 'Same Rank, Same Length of Service Same Pension' including thus the influence of varying average emoluments due to varying length of service as well. This would also be in keeping with the spirit of the observations of the Supreme Court.
Krishnaswamy
---------
From: Ravindran Major [mailto:majorravi@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 December 2009 07:41
To: Kamboj Chander
Cc: rajkadyan@yahoo.com; satbirsm@yahoo.com; prenjen@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: SOME OF THE EMAILS RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS - EMAIL 823/2009 - 13 DEC 09 (H to Z)
Dear Sir
The other day I just read that our DSP had been promoted to SSP and now he is expected to take over as Commissioner of Police at Erankulam in Jan when he is expected to be elevated to DIG. He is from 1996 IPS batch. Even with all the restructuring-including Col at 20 (has it been notified yet?) we are no patch on them and they are no patch on the babus either. I do not know if any veteran has got any data on the career progression of these IAS/IFS/IPS lot so that a tabular comparison can be made and, if necessary, advertised in the media.
I made an attempt but the info provided by the DoPT is so vague that it cannot be tabulated in any worthwhile manner.
Also there was a report that the intake at IMA has increased. Given an earlier report that QR should be relaxed as a one time measure to make up the shortage of officers I get the feeling that even though it was officialy opposed by services hqs then it has now been quitely put through.
Lastly, the National Ex-Servicemen Co-ordination Committee is going for a rail roko on 15 Dec. In Kerala it being done only at Ernakulam. Though I do not consider it wise to cause harassment to the common public , it appears that it has become the only language that the people in the corridors of power seems to understand.
regards n bw
ravi
Pensions of Majors
From: krishangopal behl [mailto:kgbehl@hotmail.com]
Sent: 13 December 2009 07:03
To: bsec234@hotmail.com; Kamboj Chander
Cc: colram40@yahoo.com; rajkadyan@yahoo.com; satbirsm@yahoo.com; bag1944@yahoo.co.in; vk_gandhi@yahoo.com
Subject: PENSION OF PRE 2006 MAJORS AND EQUIVALENTS - EMAIL 822/2009 - 12 DEC 09 (A to G)
It is wrong to say that no one is bothered about Majors who are drawing much less pension than what they should get in compasrison to others.
We have under the able guidance of Col K.L.Dewan, a noted expert on pension matters, have worked out a table which caters for all ranks and is based on the number of years one spent in the rank from which one retired. He should get 50% of the equivalent pay for those number of years on that rank on the new scale.
This new interpretation of 'One Rank One Pension' fits in well right from a Jawan to the senior most officer. If accepted by the Ministry, it will solve our demand of OROP once for all without linking it with other factors.
This needs to be dicdussed at appropriate level with the Ministry of Defence officials team, which the Minister of Defence should nominate.
Regards,
Vetron Brig K.G.Behl
President Dehradun Ex- Services League
Sent: 13 December 2009 07:03
To: bsec234@hotmail.com; Kamboj Chander
Cc: colram40@yahoo.com; rajkadyan@yahoo.com; satbirsm@yahoo.com; bag1944@yahoo.co.in; vk_gandhi@yahoo.com
Subject: PENSION OF PRE 2006 MAJORS AND EQUIVALENTS - EMAIL 822/2009 - 12 DEC 09 (A to G)
It is wrong to say that no one is bothered about Majors who are drawing much less pension than what they should get in compasrison to others.
We have under the able guidance of Col K.L.Dewan, a noted expert on pension matters, have worked out a table which caters for all ranks and is based on the number of years one spent in the rank from which one retired. He should get 50% of the equivalent pay for those number of years on that rank on the new scale.
This new interpretation of 'One Rank One Pension' fits in well right from a Jawan to the senior most officer. If accepted by the Ministry, it will solve our demand of OROP once for all without linking it with other factors.
This needs to be dicdussed at appropriate level with the Ministry of Defence officials team, which the Minister of Defence should nominate.
Regards,
Vetron Brig K.G.Behl
President Dehradun Ex- Services League
Pension for pre 2006 Majors and equivalents
From: RP Mishra avmrpm@gmail.com
Sent: Sun, 13 December, 2009 10:19:04 AM
Subject: Pension for pre 2006 Majors and equivalents
Dear Veteran Bhupal Singh,
Difference of pension between pre 2006 Majors and Lt Cols has all along been in the minds of those organizations and individuals who have been fighting for OROP. It is understood that matter has been taken up at Highest level in Services Headquarters with RM. As per my information , a pension of Rs22135/- has been recommended for Majors.
Regards
AVM RP Mishra
D-187 Jal Vayu Vihar
Sector-30
Gurgaon-122001
Telephone 0124-4032590
Sent: Sun, 13 December, 2009 10:19:04 AM
Subject: Pension for pre 2006 Majors and equivalents
Dear Veteran Bhupal Singh,
Difference of pension between pre 2006 Majors and Lt Cols has all along been in the minds of those organizations and individuals who have been fighting for OROP. It is understood that matter has been taken up at Highest level in Services Headquarters with RM. As per my information , a pension of Rs22135/- has been recommended for Majors.
Regards
AVM RP Mishra
D-187 Jal Vayu Vihar
Sector-30
Gurgaon-122001
Telephone 0124-4032590
IESM AGM Meet Covered by Hamara Sahara Dec 13 2009 at Noida AVCC Sec 37
IESM AGM Meet Covered by Amar Ujala Dec 13 2009 at Noida AVCC Sec 37
IESM AGM Meet Covered by dainik Jargan Dec 13 2009 at Noida AVCC Sec 3722 हजार से ज्यादा पूर्व सैनिक लौटाएंगे मेडल
नोएडा।। वन रैंक, वन पेंशन की मांग को लेकर केंद्र सरकार से लड़ाई लड़ रह रहे पूर्व सैनिक एक बार फिर अपना
मेडल सरकार को लौटा सकते हैं। ऑल इंडिया एक्स सर्विस मूवमेंट के प्रेजिडेंट रिटायर्ड लेफ्टिनेंट जनरल राज कादयान ने बताया कि उनकी मांगे पूरी नहीं हुईं तो जनवरी 2010 में 22 हजार से ज्यादा पूर्व सैनिक अपना मेडल लौटाएंगे।
नोएडा के सेक्टर-37 स्थित अरुण विहार कम्यूनिटी सेंटर में रविवार को हुई मीटिंग में पूर्व सैनिकों ने इस प्रस्ताव पर सहमति भी जताई। इससे पहले भी पूर्व सैनिक अपनी नाराजगी जताते हुए पांच बार मेडल लौटा चुके हैं। दरअसल, अक्टूबर 1996 से पहले और 1 जनवरी 2006 के बाद रिटायर हुए फौजियों को वन रैंक वन पेंशन से वंचित रखा गया है।
मूवमेंट के प्रेजिडेंट ने कहा कि केंद्र सरकार से इस बारे में कई बार बातचीत की जा चुकी है। लेकिन अब तक कोई भी वाजिब जवाब नहीं मिला है। इस तरह फौजियों के सम्मान को ठेस पहुंचा है। नोएडा के कम्यूनिटी सेंटर में हुई मीटिंग में इस मूवमेंट से जुड़े करीब 150 पूर्व सैनिक शामिल थे। जनवरी 2010 में मेडल लौटाने पर सभी रिटायर सैनिकों से सहमति जताई है लेकिन अब तारीख तय नहीं हो पाई है।
मेडल सरकार को लौटा सकते हैं। ऑल इंडिया एक्स सर्विस मूवमेंट के प्रेजिडेंट रिटायर्ड लेफ्टिनेंट जनरल राज कादयान ने बताया कि उनकी मांगे पूरी नहीं हुईं तो जनवरी 2010 में 22 हजार से ज्यादा पूर्व सैनिक अपना मेडल लौटाएंगे।
नोएडा के सेक्टर-37 स्थित अरुण विहार कम्यूनिटी सेंटर में रविवार को हुई मीटिंग में पूर्व सैनिकों ने इस प्रस्ताव पर सहमति भी जताई। इससे पहले भी पूर्व सैनिक अपनी नाराजगी जताते हुए पांच बार मेडल लौटा चुके हैं। दरअसल, अक्टूबर 1996 से पहले और 1 जनवरी 2006 के बाद रिटायर हुए फौजियों को वन रैंक वन पेंशन से वंचित रखा गया है।
मूवमेंट के प्रेजिडेंट ने कहा कि केंद्र सरकार से इस बारे में कई बार बातचीत की जा चुकी है। लेकिन अब तक कोई भी वाजिब जवाब नहीं मिला है। इस तरह फौजियों के सम्मान को ठेस पहुंचा है। नोएडा के कम्यूनिटी सेंटर में हुई मीटिंग में इस मूवमेंट से जुड़े करीब 150 पूर्व सैनिक शामिल थे। जनवरी 2010 में मेडल लौटाने पर सभी रिटायर सैनिकों से सहमति जताई है लेकिन अब तारीख तय नहीं हो पाई है।
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नोएडा, संवाददाता : कानून के दायरे में रहेंगे, फौजी अनुशासन नहीं तोड़ेंगे,बिना हक लिए चैन से नहीं बैठेंगे। पूर्व सैनिकों ने अपनी मांगें मनवाने के लिए एक बार फिर से हुंकार भर दी है। वन रेंक, वन पेंशन की मांग पूरी होने तक उनका संघर्ष जारी रहेगा। जनवरी में देश के सभी पूर्व सैनिक छठी बार राष्ट्रपति प्रतिभा सिंह पाटिल को अपने मेडल वापस करेंगे। यह मुहिम तब तक जारी रहेगी जब तक उन्हें वन रेंक, वन पेंशन का लाभ नहीं दिया जाता। ये निर्णय रविवार को ऑल इंडिया एक्स सर्विसमैन मूवमेंट के देश भर से आए पदाधिकारियों ने नोएडा के सेक्टर 37 स्थित अरुण विहार सामुदायिक केंद्र में लिए।
ऑल इंडिया एक्स सर्विसमैन मूवमेंट के चेयरमैन लेफ्टिनेंट जनरल राज कादयान ने बैठक में कहा कि केंद्र सरकार उनके सब्र का इम्तिहान न लें। देश के 22 लाख फौजी अगर बिफर पड़े, तो सरकार को लेने के देने पड़ जाएंगे। पूर्व सैनिक अब तक पांच बार राष्ट्रपति को 22 हजार मेडल लौटा चुके हैं। छठी बार जनवरी में वापस करेंगे व इनकी संख्या पहले से अधिक होगी। सरकार से कई बार पूर्व सैनिक वार्ता कर चुके हैं, लेकिन उन्हें संतोषजनक जवाब नहीं मिला है। सरकार को पूर्व सैनिकों की भावनाओं की कद्र करनी चाहिए। दूसरे कर्मचारियों को जहां 60 व 58 साल की आयु में सेवानिवृत्ति मिलती है वहीं सैनिकों को 15 साल बाद घर भेज दिया जाता है। इसलिए सरकार बिना देर किए जनवरी 2006 के बाद व अक्टूबर 1996 से पहले रिटायर्ड हुए सैनिकों को वन रेंक, वन पेंशन का लाभ दे।
मूवमेंट की वार्षिक आमसभा में इस वर्ष के कार्यो की समीक्षा की गई व वित्तीय लेखा-लेखा जोखा पेश किया गया। कमोडोर लोकेश बत्रा ने बताया कि अगले वर्ष के कार्यो की समीक्षा के लिए निरीक्षक नियुक्त कर दिए गए हैं। उनकी मांगें वाजिब हैं, सरकार को वन रेंक, वन पेंशन लागू करना चाहिए।
Monday, December 7, 2009
Armed forces personnel abroad by Maj Navdeep Singh
Monday, December 7, 2009
MEA being unfair to non-IFS Group A as well as Commissioned Officers
Everybody’s a royalty within his or her own domain. The MEA hence has its turf in our missions abroad.
Officers of Central Group A Services and Commissioned Officers are not getting their due while being on the strength of foreign missions. And this applies to status, entitlements as well as allowances. As we know, after the 6th CPC, Grade Pay is the determinant of all entitlements and allowances under the Central Government in India, but the same analogy is not being followed by the MEA in foreign missions, which are in fact, in accordance with law, a part of Indian Territory.
Colonels and equivalent of the Army (PB-4/GP 8700) and at times officers of the Rank of Director to Govt of India (PB-4/GP 8700) are being equated with First Secretaries of the MEA staff (PB-3/GP 7600) for the purposes of protocol and also foreign allowances. The Counsellor of the Mission from the IFS (PB-4/ GP 8700) outranks all other officers of similar grade from other services and in fact is granted a higher protocol than even a Brigadier of the Army (PB-4/GP 8900). Brigadiers have been tagged with Counsellors for rates of entitlements. Officers of the grade of Director to Govt of India with 20 years of service when on deputation to missions are being designated ‘First Secretaries’, an appointment which is essentially held by officers of the IFS with 9 years of service. It is also learnt that officers of the rank of Lt Col (PB-4/GP 8000) are being equated with IFS officers who are two ranks junior, that is, Second Secretaries (PB-3/GP 6600), for the purposes of certain entitlements whereas as far as I know, even MoD letter No 4(1)/98/D(Pay/Services) dated 19 May 1999 states that it is Majors who shall be equated with Second Secretaries for such purposes. Incidentally the ibid MoD letter also clearly stipulates that ‘pay’ for defence officers shall include (the then applicable)‘rank pay’.
The correct equation in Missions after the 6th CPC definitely has to be the following as far as the Defence Services are concerned : Minister – Brigadier – Counsellor / Colonel – Lt Col – First Secretary – Second Secretary / Major.
Posted by Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singh at 5:30 AM 6 comments
Labels: Grade Pay, Status
Friday, December 4, 2009
MEA being unfair to non-IFS Group A as well as Commissioned Officers
Everybody’s a royalty within his or her own domain. The MEA hence has its turf in our missions abroad.
Officers of Central Group A Services and Commissioned Officers are not getting their due while being on the strength of foreign missions. And this applies to status, entitlements as well as allowances. As we know, after the 6th CPC, Grade Pay is the determinant of all entitlements and allowances under the Central Government in India, but the same analogy is not being followed by the MEA in foreign missions, which are in fact, in accordance with law, a part of Indian Territory.
Colonels and equivalent of the Army (PB-4/GP 8700) and at times officers of the Rank of Director to Govt of India (PB-4/GP 8700) are being equated with First Secretaries of the MEA staff (PB-3/GP 7600) for the purposes of protocol and also foreign allowances. The Counsellor of the Mission from the IFS (PB-4/ GP 8700) outranks all other officers of similar grade from other services and in fact is granted a higher protocol than even a Brigadier of the Army (PB-4/GP 8900). Brigadiers have been tagged with Counsellors for rates of entitlements. Officers of the grade of Director to Govt of India with 20 years of service when on deputation to missions are being designated ‘First Secretaries’, an appointment which is essentially held by officers of the IFS with 9 years of service. It is also learnt that officers of the rank of Lt Col (PB-4/GP 8000) are being equated with IFS officers who are two ranks junior, that is, Second Secretaries (PB-3/GP 6600), for the purposes of certain entitlements whereas as far as I know, even MoD letter No 4(1)/98/D(Pay/Services) dated 19 May 1999 states that it is Majors who shall be equated with Second Secretaries for such purposes. Incidentally the ibid MoD letter also clearly stipulates that ‘pay’ for defence officers shall include (the then applicable)‘rank pay’.
The correct equation in Missions after the 6th CPC definitely has to be the following as far as the Defence Services are concerned : Minister – Brigadier – Counsellor / Colonel – Lt Col – First Secretary – Second Secretary / Major.
Posted by Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singh at 5:30 AM 6 comments
Labels: Grade Pay, Status
Friday, December 4, 2009
Sunday, December 6, 2009
AGM NOTICE
AGM OF IESM WILL BE HELD ON 13 DEC 09 AT 1000H TO 1200 AT AVCC
SECTOR 37 NOIDA
ALL MEMBERS OF THE IESM ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO ATTEND
AGENDA
1. TO PASS THE DULY AUDITED BALANCE SHEET OF THE YEAR 2008-2009.
2. APPOINTMENT OF AUDITORS FOR THE YEAR 2009-2010
3. DISCUSSION ON POINTS RAISED BY MEMBERS.
REFRESHMENT WILL BE SERVED ON COMPLETION OF THE AGM
Friday, December 4, 2009
AGM OF IESM IS PLANNED FOR 13 DEC 09 AT 1000H TO 1200 AT AVCC SECTOR 37.
AGM NOTICE
AGM OF IESM IS PLANNED FOR 13 DEC 09 AT 1000H TO 1200 AT AVCC SECTOR 37.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE IESM ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO ATTEND THE AGM.
AGENDA OF THE AGM
1. TO PASS THE DULY AUDITED BALANCE SHEET OF THE YEAR 2008-2009.
2. APPOINTMENT OF AUDITORS FOR THE YEAR 2009-2010
3. DISCUSSION ON POINTS RAISED BY MEMBERS.
HIGH TEA WILL BE SERVED ON COMPLETION OF THE AGM
AGM OF IESM IS PLANNED FOR 13 DEC 09 AT 1000H TO 1200 AT AVCC SECTOR 37.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE IESM ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO ATTEND THE AGM.
AGENDA OF THE AGM
1. TO PASS THE DULY AUDITED BALANCE SHEET OF THE YEAR 2008-2009.
2. APPOINTMENT OF AUDITORS FOR THE YEAR 2009-2010
3. DISCUSSION ON POINTS RAISED BY MEMBERS.
HIGH TEA WILL BE SERVED ON COMPLETION OF THE AGM
Chief Minister Karnataka hosting Lunch for ESM on 16 Dec 2009
For your info please.
The Hon'ble CM of Karnataka would also be hosting a lunch for Ex-Servicemen at the Banquet Hall at Vidhan Soudha on 16 Dec 2009.
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From: Colonelrajan Srinivas
Date: 2009/12/3
Subject: Daily Log: 7 PM 03 Dec 2009
To: Air Cmde MK Chandrasekhar
LOG BOOK
Date Time Details
03.12.2009
1. 10.30 AM. Met Capt Ganesh Karnik in his office.
Handed over two letters addressed to the Hon’ble CM:
(a) requesting his kind participation on VIJAY DIWAS
(b) inviting him to the SZMV Meet as the Guest of Honour.
Capt Ganesh Karnik, MLC & Dy Chairman NRI Cell told me that he has already discussed the requirement with the Hon’ble CM; and that the Hon’ble CM has most graciously agreed to come and lay a wreath at the War Memorial on Vijay Diwas on 16 Dec 2009. A formal letter giving the Hon'ble CM's programme on 16 Dec , with copies to all concerned would be issued in due course.
2. I also requested Capt Ganesh Karnik to have a Directive issued to all Dist Collectors to pay homage to the Martyrs on VIJAY DIWAS and to host a Lunch for Ex-Servicemen in respective Dist HQ.
3. 11.30 AM. Met the following officials at the Minsk Square War Memorial and then took them to the loc of Rashtria Sainika Smaraka and told them where install the Statue of the Unknown Soldier, presently at Minsk Square. Shri BL Yashwanth Chavan, PRO BMRC was gracious to undertake the responsibility to shift the Statue and erect it at its new loc and was kind to assure me that the job would be completed by 11 Dec 2009.
(a) Shri BL Yashwanth Chavan, PRO BMRL
Cell No. 944 828 7987
(b) Shri Subrahmanya Gudge, Dy Chief Engineer, BMRC
Cell No. 944 820 1151
(c) Shri SL Purushotham, Asst Executive Engineer, BDA Cell No. 994 553 9574
Shri Purushtam said that he would get in touch with Mr Jayadev, Dy Director Horticulture, incharge of Indira Gandhi Musical Fountain & Park (where the Rashtriya Sainika Smaraka is planned) to spruce up the area before 16 Dec 2009. Cell No of Mr Jayadev: 9945882015
Col Rajan
Bangalore, 9448024377
The Hon'ble CM of Karnataka would also be hosting a lunch for Ex-Servicemen at the Banquet Hall at Vidhan Soudha on 16 Dec 2009.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Colonelrajan Srinivas
Date: 2009/12/3
Subject: Daily Log: 7 PM 03 Dec 2009
To: Air Cmde MK Chandrasekhar
LOG BOOK
Date Time Details
03.12.2009
1. 10.30 AM. Met Capt Ganesh Karnik in his office.
Handed over two letters addressed to the Hon’ble CM:
(a) requesting his kind participation on VIJAY DIWAS
(b) inviting him to the SZMV Meet as the Guest of Honour.
Capt Ganesh Karnik, MLC & Dy Chairman NRI Cell told me that he has already discussed the requirement with the Hon’ble CM; and that the Hon’ble CM has most graciously agreed to come and lay a wreath at the War Memorial on Vijay Diwas on 16 Dec 2009. A formal letter giving the Hon'ble CM's programme on 16 Dec , with copies to all concerned would be issued in due course.
2. I also requested Capt Ganesh Karnik to have a Directive issued to all Dist Collectors to pay homage to the Martyrs on VIJAY DIWAS and to host a Lunch for Ex-Servicemen in respective Dist HQ.
3. 11.30 AM. Met the following officials at the Minsk Square War Memorial and then took them to the loc of Rashtria Sainika Smaraka and told them where install the Statue of the Unknown Soldier, presently at Minsk Square. Shri BL Yashwanth Chavan, PRO BMRC was gracious to undertake the responsibility to shift the Statue and erect it at its new loc and was kind to assure me that the job would be completed by 11 Dec 2009.
(a) Shri BL Yashwanth Chavan, PRO BMRL
Cell No. 944 828 7987
(b) Shri Subrahmanya Gudge, Dy Chief Engineer, BMRC
Cell No. 944 820 1151
(c) Shri SL Purushotham, Asst Executive Engineer, BDA Cell No. 994 553 9574
Shri Purushtam said that he would get in touch with Mr Jayadev, Dy Director Horticulture, incharge of Indira Gandhi Musical Fountain & Park (where the Rashtriya Sainika Smaraka is planned) to spruce up the area before 16 Dec 2009. Cell No of Mr Jayadev: 9945882015
Col Rajan
Bangalore, 9448024377
Mail from Col SS Cheema ...Canada
From: ss cheema
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Wed, 2 December, 2009 8:40:30 PM
Subject:
Dear Brig Kamboj,
I take this opportunity, on behalf of many a Veterans here in Toronto (Canada) in thanking you and the organisation for the tremendous efforts being put in by you and others in regard to the problems of Veterans. Whatever has been achieved is entirely your effort. Thanks a million for everything. We would have been ' up the gum tree', without you, The President, Vice President and others. What a devoted and a dedicated team we have.
I keep getting the info from my course mates( 23 NDA Course) and others too. I would like to pay whatever amount is due for the membership etc etc.Coming to India in Feb and would like to clear the dues then for becoming a life member. Please be kind enough to fwd the details at your convenience.
Thanks for everything. May the organisation grow ' from strength to strength ' under the leadership of each one of you.
Warm Regards.
Satvinder Cheema ( Col S S Cheema, SM, Veteran )
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Wed, 2 December, 2009 8:40:30 PM
Subject:
Dear Brig Kamboj,
I take this opportunity, on behalf of many a Veterans here in Toronto (Canada) in thanking you and the organisation for the tremendous efforts being put in by you and others in regard to the problems of Veterans. Whatever has been achieved is entirely your effort. Thanks a million for everything. We would have been ' up the gum tree', without you, The President, Vice President and others. What a devoted and a dedicated team we have.
I keep getting the info from my course mates( 23 NDA Course) and others too. I would like to pay whatever amount is due for the membership etc etc.Coming to India in Feb and would like to clear the dues then for becoming a life member. Please be kind enough to fwd the details at your convenience.
Thanks for everything. May the organisation grow ' from strength to strength ' under the leadership of each one of you.
Warm Regards.
Satvinder Cheema ( Col S S Cheema, SM, Veteran )
Navy Day ..Donation by Cdr Parashar
Dear Cdr Parashar Sir,
Reference your email below.
I totally disagree with you.
Every one IESM knows and place you at a very high pedestal.
We all are fully aware that you were the only one who was there at Jantar Mantar every day, when we were having representation there against the Sixth Pay Commission.
I am sure Navy, in particular the Naval Aviators can never forget their Indian Naval Aviaition founder member.
I know for sure that they all love you and respect you a lot.
Thank you so much for the additional contributions that you have sent to IESM.
We all look forward to see you during the AGM on 13 Dec 09, at Noida.
Very fond regards.
Chander Kamboj
From: pran parashar [mailto:pran.parashar@gmail.com]
Sent: 04 December 2009 11:56
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: VERY HAPPY INDIAN NAVY DAY - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 808/2009 - 04 DEC 09 (H to Z)
Dear Brig. Khamboj,
Blessings.
T U for the e-mail on Indian Navy Day. I am now a FORGOTTEN Navy Man. Not only the Navy but even the Aviators don't know of me anymore!!
I am following ur Directions and have accordingly decided to pay Rs. 7,500.00 additional donation to EMS. I checked with the Bank yesterday and have been paid arrears of PL4. I shall bring a cheque on 13th when i shall be visiting NOIDA. I note that even EMS has forgotten me! My name does not figure amongst the personnel who have joined EMS!! 1943 is very long ago!!
Lots of love and blessings.
Pran Parashar
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Kamboj Chander wrote:
Brigadier C. S. Kamboj, VSM., VETERAN,
Email - kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
"REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG" - http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com/
IESM UPDATES AND REGISTRATION - http://www.iesm.org/
“REPORT MY SIGNAL”
WISHES ALL MEMBERS
A VERY HAPPY INDIAN NAVY DAY
HAVE A NICE DAY.
VISIT INDIAN NAVY WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION AND FUN
http://www.indiannavy.nic.in/
In Service of Indian Military Veterans
Chander Kamboj.
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Reference your email below.
I totally disagree with you.
Every one IESM knows and place you at a very high pedestal.
We all are fully aware that you were the only one who was there at Jantar Mantar every day, when we were having representation there against the Sixth Pay Commission.
I am sure Navy, in particular the Naval Aviators can never forget their Indian Naval Aviaition founder member.
I know for sure that they all love you and respect you a lot.
Thank you so much for the additional contributions that you have sent to IESM.
We all look forward to see you during the AGM on 13 Dec 09, at Noida.
Very fond regards.
Chander Kamboj
From: pran parashar [mailto:pran.parashar@gmail.com]
Sent: 04 December 2009 11:56
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: VERY HAPPY INDIAN NAVY DAY - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 808/2009 - 04 DEC 09 (H to Z)
Dear Brig. Khamboj,
Blessings.
T U for the e-mail on Indian Navy Day. I am now a FORGOTTEN Navy Man. Not only the Navy but even the Aviators don't know of me anymore!!
I am following ur Directions and have accordingly decided to pay Rs. 7,500.00 additional donation to EMS. I checked with the Bank yesterday and have been paid arrears of PL4. I shall bring a cheque on 13th when i shall be visiting NOIDA. I note that even EMS has forgotten me! My name does not figure amongst the personnel who have joined EMS!! 1943 is very long ago!!
Lots of love and blessings.
Pran Parashar
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Kamboj Chander
Brigadier C. S. Kamboj, VSM., VETERAN,
Email - kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
"REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG" - http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com/
IESM UPDATES AND REGISTRATION - http://www.iesm.org/
“REPORT MY SIGNAL”
WISHES ALL MEMBERS
A VERY HAPPY INDIAN NAVY DAY
HAVE A NICE DAY.
VISIT INDIAN NAVY WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION AND FUN
http://www.indiannavy.nic.in/
In Service of Indian Military Veterans
Chander Kamboj.
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