Date: Monday, 13 July, 2009, 12:10 PM
Sir,
May I congratulate Satish Kumar Bahri on making a beginning in trying to bring the warring ESMs together?
While on the subject may I, veteran of 69 years of age and who retired in 1986, make a suggestion? In those times a retired person was left to fend for himself. At least now we have some active veterans organisations spurred in by the injustice meted out by the 6thCPC and the politicians/babu combine.
All ESMs are now concentrating on the OROP goal. And nobody would have any objection to that. But at the same time shouldn't the ESMs also make a beginning to work on other matters too? I have pointed this out to IESM but my views have been ignored. And IESL, too, is not at all visible in cities like Mumbai. Isn't it a strategy of the Armed Forces to launch an attack from all sides to achieve your goal? If an impression is given to the public that the Armed Forces are fighting only for "money" how much sympathy and support can we expect? We must also show that we are fighting for our 'Dignity'.
What I want to say is that there is very little or no exposure to the general public for Armed Forces and the services they render to the nation, their tough life, difficulties, sacrifices, neglect of their families, affecting the education of their offspring etc. Only in times of war/border conflicts do the media take notice of the Armed Forces when they are glorified. But public memory being short, they are forgotten till something like 26/11 jolts them into realising that it is the Armed Forces (NSG, MARCOS) who come to their aid and not the Police/babus/politicians. It is essential to put pressure on the government/ politicians not only at the Centre but also government/politicians at the states also, who, too, desire to come to power and rule. This is true of local administrations also like Municipalities. Unless they feel that their rule is threatened at all levels, the politicians will not take notice of any protest. The protest at Jantar Mantar by IESM did make the Congress party sit up and take notice. But this had no effect in the other areas/states. In most of India, the agitation went un- noticed by the public as it was Delhi-centric. Moreover, the fight must continue whether we get OROP or no OROP.
Therefore, I feel it is necessary that the Armed Forces and veterans remain in the public eye all the time like in countries like the UK, the USA. where the veterans are revered and get exceptional treatment in all walks of life. In India, they are not only ignored but denigrated. Perhaps this is not the case in Northern states which are close to the border,where the Armed Forces are omnipresent.
In states like Maharashtra, Gujarat the lay public have the vaguest idea about the Military because they rarely see uniformed personnel who are confined to the cantonment (Colaba) area. They feel Air Force and Air India are the same organisations! The other day I was introduced to a retired Dy. Dir. of Doordarshan in Mumbai, an engineer, who when told that I am a Wing Commander (Retd of course), looked blank and was frank enough to admit that he has no idea of the rank structure of the Defence Services and that this was because of the fact that there is hardly any exposure for them. I do not blame him.
So it is time we veterans made ourselves visible by wearing something distinctive attire, like a side cap and preferably T shirts etc displaying slogans like " Do not Forget Kargil martyrs", "Army/Air Force/Navy to the Rescue", "Remember the Jawan" etc. Also it is necessary to have a constant contact with the Defence establishments in the local areas and the serving personnel to instill confidence in the minds of veterans that they are not left to their own fate and will get all help and support from the Army/Navy/Air Force Commanders in their area. There should be more functions apart from Army Day or Air Force Day or Navy day which come once a year. The agitation and visibility should encompass whole of India and not only Delhi and al year round. The task is a big one.
How to go about is a challenge for people like you and your organisations.
Regards,
Wg Cdr Shashank Bendre (Retd)
Memorandum of Association: INDIAN EX SERVICEMEN MOVEMENT
Aims & Objectives. In general the IESM will aim to bind the ESM fraternity together and use the talent and experience of the ESM towards nation building. In specific the aims and objectives will be, but not limited to, as follows:-
(a) To promote, support and organize suitable occupational opportunities for ESM.
(b) To provide assistance to ESM and their widows in their resettlement.
(c) To provide assistance to ESM in setting up own small scale ventures for livelihood.
(d) To provide assistance to all ESM in matters concerning medical, pension, grants etc.
(e) To organize social, cultural, educational and recreational events for the benefit of ESM and their wards.
(f) To periodically hold conferences, meetings, seminars, lectures and visual shows on topics of interest to the ESM.
(g) To pursue with the Centre and State governments for removal of any discriminatory rules and provisions adversely affecting the interests of ESM.
(h) To pursue establishment of Just & Fair place of Defence services in the country i.e. functioning of Defence services in a democracy.
(j) To undertake any other task considered appropriate by the Governing Body.
Areas of Immediate Concern. To strongly take up important issues/ problems affecting the ESM like:
Constitution of Ex Servicemen Commission at the National level to look after welfare measures of the ESM. The ESM commission should be headed by an ESM and to have members from the ESM including ESM Widows.
Guaranteed Re-settlement/ Reemployment of servicemen on retirement until the age of 60 years or in the alternative, suitable enhanced compensation till attainment of 60 years of age.
To restore status, respect and self esteem which has been eroded in the past 60 years.
Revamping of ECHS Scheme so as to make it user friendly for all types of medical care, including super specialized care thereby improving the health care of ESM.
Representation of the ESM on all committees and other such bodies constituted for the purpose of looking into matters affecting the interests of the ESM.
Single window service to be established in all Civil/Govt. offices to avoid difficulty and delay of ESM problems.
Once a year a free railway warrant of the class authorized to be given to every ESM and his/her spouse of the life time.
Taking up case for Defence Constituency like graduate constituency for the serving & retired defence personnel to safeguard their interests in the Parliament & state legislatures. Till this is accepted asking for nominated members?
Taking up with state governments for allotment of residential plots & industrial sheds for the ESM’s.
Taking up cases collectively for removal of injustice through legal means
Building up funds by voluntary contributions as prescribed to have resources for building, office & legal aid.
To liaise with the services to help the PBOR’s in resettlement..
Memorandum of Association: INDIAN EX SERVICEMEN MOVEMENT(IESM)
Monday, July 13, 2009
Views of Veteran Bhanot
From: vrajendra bhanot
To: Kamboj Chander
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: orop
Sir this is high time that all retired officers should get together and fight this not in piecemeal manner govt is trying to divide us let us all join hands to teach these people lessons first of all we shall educate all the effected soldiers be it a sep to general through this media. Most of us are not clear as to what is happening we all want to score points on each other we should have a common web site where all inputs can be sent and then what ever info is can be shared by all we can also by this will be able to create a confidence in all which is lacking at present as officers of major rank and bellow are of the view that senior are only interested in their cake.
bhanot
To: Kamboj Chander
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: orop
Sir this is high time that all retired officers should get together and fight this not in piecemeal manner govt is trying to divide us let us all join hands to teach these people lessons first of all we shall educate all the effected soldiers be it a sep to general through this media. Most of us are not clear as to what is happening we all want to score points on each other we should have a common web site where all inputs can be sent and then what ever info is can be shared by all we can also by this will be able to create a confidence in all which is lacking at present as officers of major rank and bellow are of the view that senior are only interested in their cake.
bhanot
Only fine tuned old issued and call it OROP..
From: Radha Krishnan RN
To: Kamboj Chander ; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: Gulia KKS Brig (Rtd) ; Sushil Ramsay Rear Admiral ; RP Mishra ; T Pannu Air Cmde
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: 20090710(1) – On Budget and OROP
20090710(1) – On Budget and OROP
Dear Veterans,
Some us have promptly converted the 2100 crores given by the FM to the net average increase in pension @ Rs1460/= pm for the personnel other than the Commissioned Officers. My interaction with many reveals that this increase has delighted all and they are of the view that it is OROP for them. Delighted they are because initial pension revision got 25% more and now another 20% is likely to be added. Handsome is it not!
Let us take the case of a Naik of ‘Y’ Group.
He gets a pension of 4850 as on today
His revised basic pension is therefore 4850/1.22 = 3980
His basic pension before revision is therefore 3980/2.26 = 1770
His revised basic pension was fixed as 1770 * 2.26 = 4001 ie. 4010
This 1770 is @50% and not 70%. If it was at 70% the basic pension would have been 1770 * 1.4 = 2480
His revised basic pension would have been 2480 * 2.26 = 5610. A net increase in the raised basic pension to the extent of 5610 – 4010 = 1600
He would be drawing today a total of 5610 * 1.22 = 6850
Hence the net increase by this budget proposal is 6850-4850 = 2000 ie. 41% increase as on 01 July 2009.
The above illustration is more or less a true picture, subject to some fine tuning. I am given to understand that prior to the Vth CPC, pension was @70%, which was changed to 50% by the Vth CPC. If that is the case, you will agree that the Government has just restored 70%, which was one of the demands after Vth CPC recommendation was implemented.
Similar is the logic for those whose pension has been fixed as per Annexure iii. Thus all pre 2006 pensioners of a particular rank other than those of Commissioned Officers draw same pension if their pension is fixed as per Annexure iii and not as per Annexure i.
Now let us talk on OROP. The basic pension for all the pensioners today is at the bottom of the pay band as per annexure ii & iii, provided they have completed a total service 33 years including the grace period. Thus talking of a colonel with 26 years and another of 35 years of service, you find that they get the same pension 26050. Similar is the case with respect to all others. Is it not OROP? Except that those whose pension fixed as per Annexure i being higher than that of Annexure iii, get different pension though of the same rank.
Hence the claim by the Government that OROP has been granted for all the ESM (pre 2006 pensioners) can be interpreted as correct at its intrinsic and not implied meaning. The phrase ‘One Rank One Pension’ means to the Government and many of the ESM that the pension for two persons holding the same rank is the same. This was the case pre 1970.
Now Brig Rangachari correctly highlighted another paragraph from the speech of the FM which talks of rank based pension with no regard to the year of retirement. A few proposals have been put forward by various people claiming the same. Some chose the notional pay as the mean of the minimum of the pay scale as per the fitment tables of SAI and the maximum of the corresponding Pay Band. Some chose the maximum of the pay scale as per the fitment tables of the SAI as the notional pay. In any case the proposals are not in tune with OROP as propounded by ESM. “No two soldiers holding the same rank and same total length of service to their credit shall draw different pensions.” By this it is implied that more years of service entitles higher pension even if the rank is the same.
By these proposals referred to above some, who drew pay less than the notional pay at the time of retirement benefit and the some who drew more pay stand to lose. Government may choose to oblige us because by the law of average the financial implications may work out to be advantageous to the Government. The seniors suffer a loss in their pension which goes to the junior. Is it want intended by seeking ‘OROP’.
This is the precise reason why I was harping on Absolute Parity in Pension, the parity in pension between two soldiers holding the same rank and same length of service, the date of retirement being immaterial.
Let us see what happens!
To: Kamboj Chander ; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: Gulia KKS Brig (Rtd) ; Sushil Ramsay Rear Admiral ; RP Mishra ; T Pannu Air Cmde
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: 20090710(1) – On Budget and OROP
20090710(1) – On Budget and OROP
Dear Veterans,
Some us have promptly converted the 2100 crores given by the FM to the net average increase in pension @ Rs1460/= pm for the personnel other than the Commissioned Officers. My interaction with many reveals that this increase has delighted all and they are of the view that it is OROP for them. Delighted they are because initial pension revision got 25% more and now another 20% is likely to be added. Handsome is it not!
Let us take the case of a Naik of ‘Y’ Group.
He gets a pension of 4850 as on today
His revised basic pension is therefore 4850/1.22 = 3980
His basic pension before revision is therefore 3980/2.26 = 1770
His revised basic pension was fixed as 1770 * 2.26 = 4001 ie. 4010
This 1770 is @50% and not 70%. If it was at 70% the basic pension would have been 1770 * 1.4 = 2480
His revised basic pension would have been 2480 * 2.26 = 5610. A net increase in the raised basic pension to the extent of 5610 – 4010 = 1600
He would be drawing today a total of 5610 * 1.22 = 6850
Hence the net increase by this budget proposal is 6850-4850 = 2000 ie. 41% increase as on 01 July 2009.
The above illustration is more or less a true picture, subject to some fine tuning. I am given to understand that prior to the Vth CPC, pension was @70%, which was changed to 50% by the Vth CPC. If that is the case, you will agree that the Government has just restored 70%, which was one of the demands after Vth CPC recommendation was implemented.
Similar is the logic for those whose pension has been fixed as per Annexure iii. Thus all pre 2006 pensioners of a particular rank other than those of Commissioned Officers draw same pension if their pension is fixed as per Annexure iii and not as per Annexure i.
Now let us talk on OROP. The basic pension for all the pensioners today is at the bottom of the pay band as per annexure ii & iii, provided they have completed a total service 33 years including the grace period. Thus talking of a colonel with 26 years and another of 35 years of service, you find that they get the same pension 26050. Similar is the case with respect to all others. Is it not OROP? Except that those whose pension fixed as per Annexure i being higher than that of Annexure iii, get different pension though of the same rank.
Hence the claim by the Government that OROP has been granted for all the ESM (pre 2006 pensioners) can be interpreted as correct at its intrinsic and not implied meaning. The phrase ‘One Rank One Pension’ means to the Government and many of the ESM that the pension for two persons holding the same rank is the same. This was the case pre 1970.
Now Brig Rangachari correctly highlighted another paragraph from the speech of the FM which talks of rank based pension with no regard to the year of retirement. A few proposals have been put forward by various people claiming the same. Some chose the notional pay as the mean of the minimum of the pay scale as per the fitment tables of SAI and the maximum of the corresponding Pay Band. Some chose the maximum of the pay scale as per the fitment tables of the SAI as the notional pay. In any case the proposals are not in tune with OROP as propounded by ESM. “No two soldiers holding the same rank and same total length of service to their credit shall draw different pensions.” By this it is implied that more years of service entitles higher pension even if the rank is the same.
By these proposals referred to above some, who drew pay less than the notional pay at the time of retirement benefit and the some who drew more pay stand to lose. Government may choose to oblige us because by the law of average the financial implications may work out to be advantageous to the Government. The seniors suffer a loss in their pension which goes to the junior. Is it want intended by seeking ‘OROP’.
This is the precise reason why I was harping on Absolute Parity in Pension, the parity in pension between two soldiers holding the same rank and same length of service, the date of retirement being immaterial.
Let us see what happens!
Views of Veteran Vasudevan
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Vasudevan S wrote:
Venerable Veterans,
It is really heartening to know that the struggle of the ESM has borne fruit in the form of announcement of OROP, albeit for the JCOs and the PBORs. It is a true example of what a united fight for justice can yield. While it is a welcome windfall for the JCOs and the PBORs that the Govt. of India has partially announced implememtation of OROP with effect from July 2009, it is really disgusting that the Govt has utterly disappointed by leaving out the Officers under the scheme. The immense contribution of all the officers to the Services is thereby totally neglected. It is stated that about 12 Lakh JCOs and PBORs would be the beneficiaries of the scheme. As already known, the JCOs and the PBORs form about 98% of the veterans. Hence, leaving out only 2% of the Officers out of the scheme of OROP is totally not justified. Financially, it would not have been a burden on the ex-checker also. May be some veteran statician could work out the financial implication.
It is very well known fact as to how much struggle the officers from all the defence forces have put in to motivate the ESM and bringing them all under one roof and taking to the streets, conducting peaceful dharnas, meeting the Hon'ble President and returning the Medals of Honours rightfully earned by them all. They have all really led from the front, in true spirits. The nation-wide movement was highly succesful. Therefore, as an Ex-Sergeant of the Indian Air Force, I believe that it is time for us, the JCOs and the PBORs that we support the Officers in fighting back with the powers that be, to include them also under the Scheme of highly deserving OROP. Till such time, we could give a wake up call to all the JCOs and PBORs to defer / forego the benefits of the recently announced OROP, which may fetch us only about Rs.2000/- per month or so. But the support which we
may extend to the officers in their further course of action is much more valuable.
JOIN HANDS VETERANS.
JAI HIND
S.VASUDEVAN
EX-SERGEANT.
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Venerable Veterans,
It is really heartening to know that the struggle of the ESM has borne fruit in the form of announcement of OROP, albeit for the JCOs and the PBORs. It is a true example of what a united fight for justice can yield. While it is a welcome windfall for the JCOs and the PBORs that the Govt. of India has partially announced implememtation of OROP with effect from July 2009, it is really disgusting that the Govt has utterly disappointed by leaving out the Officers under the scheme. The immense contribution of all the officers to the Services is thereby totally neglected. It is stated that about 12 Lakh JCOs and PBORs would be the beneficiaries of the scheme. As already known, the JCOs and the PBORs form about 98% of the veterans. Hence, leaving out only 2% of the Officers out of the scheme of OROP is totally not justified. Financially, it would not have been a burden on the ex-checker also. May be some veteran statician could work out the financial implication.
It is very well known fact as to how much struggle the officers from all the defence forces have put in to motivate the ESM and bringing them all under one roof and taking to the streets, conducting peaceful dharnas, meeting the Hon'ble President and returning the Medals of Honours rightfully earned by them all. They have all really led from the front, in true spirits. The nation-wide movement was highly succesful. Therefore, as an Ex-Sergeant of the Indian Air Force, I believe that it is time for us, the JCOs and the PBORs that we support the Officers in fighting back with the powers that be, to include them also under the Scheme of highly deserving OROP. Till such time, we could give a wake up call to all the JCOs and PBORs to defer / forego the benefits of the recently announced OROP, which may fetch us only about Rs.2000/- per month or so. But the support which we
may extend to the officers in their further course of action is much more valuable.
JOIN HANDS VETERANS.
JAI HIND
S.VASUDEVAN
EX-SERGEANT.
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REVISION OF MINIMUM SPECIAL FAMILY PENSION & PAYMENT OF ARREARS (WIDOWS OF SEPOYS, NAIKS & HAVILDARS)
REVISION OF MINIMUM SPECIAL FAMILY PENSION & PAYMENT OF ARREARS (WIDOWS OF SEPOYS, NAIKS & HAVILDARS)
The minimum Special Family Pension was increased from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/- as per PCDA (P) Most Important Circular No.410 dt.13.05.09 para 4.2. In the meantime the Banks have revised the existing Special Family Pension of Rs.2,550 into Rs.5,763 as per the tables attached to MOD letter dated 11.11.08 and calculated arrears from 01.01.06 to 31.08.08 for 32 months and paid 40 % arrears during Sep 08/Oct 08 and awaiting to pay the remaining 60% arrears on getting instructions from the Government.
The earlier MOD letter dt.11.11.08, which authorized revision of pension of Pre-2006 pensioners did not specify the amount of minimum Special Family Pension. Therefore, pending the revision of the Special Family Pension, the existing Pre-2006 rates of Special Family Pension was consolidated as per para 4.1 of the MOD letter dt.11.11.08 and as per the tables in Annexure I attached to MOD letter dt.11.11.08, the pre-2006 Special Family Pension was revised to Rs.5,763 (Annexure I Page.9) and arrears calculated up to Aug 08 and 40% arrears was paid and thereafter the consolidated revised rates of Special Family pension is being paid.
In the circumstances, the MOD letter dt.04.05.09 (Para 4.2) and PCDA(P) Allahabad, Important Circular No.410 (Para 4.2) revised the minimum Special Family Pension from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/- w.e.f. 01.01.2006. It has therefore become necessary to re-calculate the arrears payable from 01.01.2006 to 31.08.2008 at the new rate of Rs.7,000/- w.e.f. 01.01.06 and pay the additional arrears on 40% immediately and recalculated 60% arrears to be paid later.
In order to arrive at the correct arrears amount, a separate calculation has been made for such cases which can be followed. The re-calculation to be made in two parts. One from 01.01.06 to 30.8.08 for arriving at the additional 40% arrears payable immediately and the other part from 01.09.08 to 30.06.09 to arrive at the arrears of pension payable as a result of revision of Special Family Pension from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/-.
As result of the increase in the minimum Special Family pension from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/- each eligible Special Family pensioner i.e. widows of Sepoys, Naiks and Havildars & equivalent ranks will get additional 40% arrears of Rs.16,848 and arrears in difference in pension payable up to 30.6.09 Rs.14,790, thus a total of Rs.31,638/- have to be paid immediately.
A detailed working sheet is inserted. Please click for the Arrears working Sheet and get it printed and present it to your bank after filling in your particulars for immediate payment.
The MOD letter revising the minimum Special Family Pension to Rs.7,000/- was issued on 4.5.09 and the implementation instructions were issued by the CDA(P) Allahabad through their important circular No.410 on 13.5.09. It is more than two months passed, none of the Banks have made any attempt to re-calculate and revise the pension of these poor widows.
It is unfortunate that none of the welfare associations come forward to help these widows to get their revised pension and arrears. While very big organizations fight for increased pensionary benefits, but they fail to monitor the implementation of the existing little benefits to the poor PBOR families. I have seen, when the Lt Cols Pay & Pension were revised, lot of e-mails, calculation sheets were floated all over the net for immediate payment. But in the case of PBOR pension calculations, all are silent. This is not a good attitude of ESM Welfare organizations.
The membership of an organization cannot be increased without meeting the affected people/ pensioners face to face and doing justice to them. This is very important.
The Author of Blog indianexserviceman.blogspot.com, with his own efforts and with the help of one dedicated member, was instrumental in getting arrears to the tune of Rs One crore during the past 10 years to poor PBOR pensioners and increased the membership of the Association to more than 3000.
Of course, it was a great struggle to build the Association for the past 10 years. But due to the influence of some vested interests with selfish motivation, the sacrifices done by the honest workers in the past are not remembered and ultimately, the general welfare of the whole community is paralyzed again. Only God can save the PBORs and their families.
The minimum Special Family Pension was increased from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/- as per PCDA (P) Most Important Circular No.410 dt.13.05.09 para 4.2. In the meantime the Banks have revised the existing Special Family Pension of Rs.2,550 into Rs.5,763 as per the tables attached to MOD letter dated 11.11.08 and calculated arrears from 01.01.06 to 31.08.08 for 32 months and paid 40 % arrears during Sep 08/Oct 08 and awaiting to pay the remaining 60% arrears on getting instructions from the Government.
The earlier MOD letter dt.11.11.08, which authorized revision of pension of Pre-2006 pensioners did not specify the amount of minimum Special Family Pension. Therefore, pending the revision of the Special Family Pension, the existing Pre-2006 rates of Special Family Pension was consolidated as per para 4.1 of the MOD letter dt.11.11.08 and as per the tables in Annexure I attached to MOD letter dt.11.11.08, the pre-2006 Special Family Pension was revised to Rs.5,763 (Annexure I Page.9) and arrears calculated up to Aug 08 and 40% arrears was paid and thereafter the consolidated revised rates of Special Family pension is being paid.
In the circumstances, the MOD letter dt.04.05.09 (Para 4.2) and PCDA(P) Allahabad, Important Circular No.410 (Para 4.2) revised the minimum Special Family Pension from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/- w.e.f. 01.01.2006. It has therefore become necessary to re-calculate the arrears payable from 01.01.2006 to 31.08.2008 at the new rate of Rs.7,000/- w.e.f. 01.01.06 and pay the additional arrears on 40% immediately and recalculated 60% arrears to be paid later.
In order to arrive at the correct arrears amount, a separate calculation has been made for such cases which can be followed. The re-calculation to be made in two parts. One from 01.01.06 to 30.8.08 for arriving at the additional 40% arrears payable immediately and the other part from 01.09.08 to 30.06.09 to arrive at the arrears of pension payable as a result of revision of Special Family Pension from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/-.
As result of the increase in the minimum Special Family pension from Rs.2,550 to Rs.7,000/- each eligible Special Family pensioner i.e. widows of Sepoys, Naiks and Havildars & equivalent ranks will get additional 40% arrears of Rs.16,848 and arrears in difference in pension payable up to 30.6.09 Rs.14,790, thus a total of Rs.31,638/- have to be paid immediately.
A detailed working sheet is inserted. Please click for the Arrears working Sheet and get it printed and present it to your bank after filling in your particulars for immediate payment.
The MOD letter revising the minimum Special Family Pension to Rs.7,000/- was issued on 4.5.09 and the implementation instructions were issued by the CDA(P) Allahabad through their important circular No.410 on 13.5.09. It is more than two months passed, none of the Banks have made any attempt to re-calculate and revise the pension of these poor widows.
It is unfortunate that none of the welfare associations come forward to help these widows to get their revised pension and arrears. While very big organizations fight for increased pensionary benefits, but they fail to monitor the implementation of the existing little benefits to the poor PBOR families. I have seen, when the Lt Cols Pay & Pension were revised, lot of e-mails, calculation sheets were floated all over the net for immediate payment. But in the case of PBOR pension calculations, all are silent. This is not a good attitude of ESM Welfare organizations.
The membership of an organization cannot be increased without meeting the affected people/ pensioners face to face and doing justice to them. This is very important.
The Author of Blog indianexserviceman.blogspot.com, with his own efforts and with the help of one dedicated member, was instrumental in getting arrears to the tune of Rs One crore during the past 10 years to poor PBOR pensioners and increased the membership of the Association to more than 3000.
Of course, it was a great struggle to build the Association for the past 10 years. But due to the influence of some vested interests with selfish motivation, the sacrifices done by the honest workers in the past are not remembered and ultimately, the general welfare of the whole community is paralyzed again. Only God can save the PBORs and their families.
SCPC: Family Pension and Arrears denied by Banks
Anguish of Widows: Will the ESM Welfare Organisations take up cudgels to assist them?
Dear Sir,
The following matter may please be published in your blog and the readers may be requested to help the poor widows to get their arrears. The Banks are not at all listening to our claim. There is no meaning in issuing orders, when it is not implemented in the right spirit. Some strong action to be taken against the Banks in this regard.
The SBI had centralised all pension payment to state headquarters. The pensioners are unable to approach the HQs. They continue to pay less pension. We have sent a number of representations to SBI CPPC, Chennai. No reply is coming and at the same time they are not correcting the pension also.
Some action has to be taken on All India level through IESM Sir. Please think it over. The arrears calculation for a Lt Col is easy the banks are doing immediately. At the same time, the arrears calculation for a Special Family pension, (PBOR) the Banks are telling that they do not know or they have not received the orders etc.
This matter is to be given top priority to increase our membership Sir. Please do some thing.
With kind regards.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
C Muthukrishnan (Ex Sgt)
Blog: indianexserviceman.blogspot.com
Dear Sir,
The following matter may please be published in your blog and the readers may be requested to help the poor widows to get their arrears. The Banks are not at all listening to our claim. There is no meaning in issuing orders, when it is not implemented in the right spirit. Some strong action to be taken against the Banks in this regard.
The SBI had centralised all pension payment to state headquarters. The pensioners are unable to approach the HQs. They continue to pay less pension. We have sent a number of representations to SBI CPPC, Chennai. No reply is coming and at the same time they are not correcting the pension also.
Some action has to be taken on All India level through IESM Sir. Please think it over. The arrears calculation for a Lt Col is easy the banks are doing immediately. At the same time, the arrears calculation for a Special Family pension, (PBOR) the Banks are telling that they do not know or they have not received the orders etc.
This matter is to be given top priority to increase our membership Sir. Please do some thing.
With kind regards.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
C Muthukrishnan (Ex Sgt)
Blog: indianexserviceman.blogspot.com
OROP by Ltt Col Sushil Chilimbi
INDIAN ARMED FORCES- RIP
1. The scheming and manipulative Indian bureaucracy has finally succeeded in its six decade game plan of emasculating the defence services. The babus have, with finesse, manipulated the Congress led UPA government to divide the Indian armed forces into two separate blocs- Aam Aadmi (POBR) and the presumed pampered elitist (Officers). In one treacherous stroke, the one dependent firmament of the Indian nation has been both fragmented and politicized. And the stroke is the award of the benefits of OROP to PBOR and its intentional and malicious denial to Officers. Only the future can tell what the consequences of this historic decision will be.
2. The present government perhaps assumes that their act will effectively garner them the votes of serving and retired POBR and their families. Just as their vote bank policies of polarizing civilian electorate on the basis of religion, caste and region. The resultant backlash of this blatantly partisan and unjust decision, among the serving Officers of fighting formations will cost the country dear in terms of dedication and mutual loyalties between Officers and their men. The veterans of course will be virulently against the present government. The babus and netas appear to be cocky and confident that the minuscule Officer class is in no position to retaliate and they would come back to them groveling.
3. Having achieved nothing by appeals, requests and feeble protestations, the veterans should now unite at the national, state, district and panchayat levels all over India. We should now create a working and functional Organisation at national level and politically work out the method of bringing justice for all ESM and their dependants. Token and knee jerk actions are neither noticed nor taken account of especially by the hierarchy of the present political set-up.
OROP– One Rank One Pension
PBOR– Personnel Below Office Rank
Lt Col Sushil Chilimbi (Retd)
1. The scheming and manipulative Indian bureaucracy has finally succeeded in its six decade game plan of emasculating the defence services. The babus have, with finesse, manipulated the Congress led UPA government to divide the Indian armed forces into two separate blocs- Aam Aadmi (POBR) and the presumed pampered elitist (Officers). In one treacherous stroke, the one dependent firmament of the Indian nation has been both fragmented and politicized. And the stroke is the award of the benefits of OROP to PBOR and its intentional and malicious denial to Officers. Only the future can tell what the consequences of this historic decision will be.
2. The present government perhaps assumes that their act will effectively garner them the votes of serving and retired POBR and their families. Just as their vote bank policies of polarizing civilian electorate on the basis of religion, caste and region. The resultant backlash of this blatantly partisan and unjust decision, among the serving Officers of fighting formations will cost the country dear in terms of dedication and mutual loyalties between Officers and their men. The veterans of course will be virulently against the present government. The babus and netas appear to be cocky and confident that the minuscule Officer class is in no position to retaliate and they would come back to them groveling.
3. Having achieved nothing by appeals, requests and feeble protestations, the veterans should now unite at the national, state, district and panchayat levels all over India. We should now create a working and functional Organisation at national level and politically work out the method of bringing justice for all ESM and their dependants. Token and knee jerk actions are neither noticed nor taken account of especially by the hierarchy of the present political set-up.
OROP– One Rank One Pension
PBOR– Personnel Below Office Rank
Lt Col Sushil Chilimbi (Retd)
Elusive OROP by Maj Gen Surjit Singh
Dear Friend,
Asadullah Khan was granted a pension by the Mughal Empire. But the British Resident curtailed its remission. He was told that 'his case had been referred to the Court of the Company bahadur in Calcutta' Khan was forced to undertake a long and arduous journey to Calcutta, during which he fell sick.
He returned to Delhi after six months, with no success. Driven to penury he was imprisoned for gambling and unpaid debts. But what he received in return for all his misery was the inspiration to write words of profound wisdom and lasting value. I quote one which I like.
Ranj se khungar hua insaan to mit jaata hai ranj
Mushkilen mujh par padi itni ki aasaan ho gayin
Ranj: This untranslatable Urdu word is a mix of pain, helplessness and anger
Khungar: means 'getting used to' or 'becoming accustomed'
If OROP eludes the veterans, as it has for the past 25 years, it is possible that we will be compensated by the Lord in some other way. For those who may not know, Asadullah Khan is the given name of Mirza Ghalib.
Best wishes,
Maj Gen Surjit Singh (Retd)
Hello Friends,
1. I have just received a mail giving the recommendations of the Committee Of Secretaries wrt OROP. The mail also claimed that the recommendations have been accepted by the Government.
2. Please note that I have not verified the contents of the Pension Table given as link below. I am also not in a position to answer any queries that you may have. Treat it as a piece of information.
Regards,
Brigadier PTGangadharan, Guards, Veteran
Asadullah Khan was granted a pension by the Mughal Empire. But the British Resident curtailed its remission. He was told that 'his case had been referred to the Court of the Company bahadur in Calcutta' Khan was forced to undertake a long and arduous journey to Calcutta, during which he fell sick.
He returned to Delhi after six months, with no success. Driven to penury he was imprisoned for gambling and unpaid debts. But what he received in return for all his misery was the inspiration to write words of profound wisdom and lasting value. I quote one which I like.
Ranj se khungar hua insaan to mit jaata hai ranj
Mushkilen mujh par padi itni ki aasaan ho gayin
Ranj: This untranslatable Urdu word is a mix of pain, helplessness and anger
Khungar: means 'getting used to' or 'becoming accustomed'
If OROP eludes the veterans, as it has for the past 25 years, it is possible that we will be compensated by the Lord in some other way. For those who may not know, Asadullah Khan is the given name of Mirza Ghalib.
Best wishes,
Maj Gen Surjit Singh (Retd)
Hello Friends,
1. I have just received a mail giving the recommendations of the Committee Of Secretaries wrt OROP. The mail also claimed that the recommendations have been accepted by the Government.
2. Please note that I have not verified the contents of the Pension Table given as link below. I am also not in a position to answer any queries that you may have. Treat it as a piece of information.
Regards,
Brigadier PTGangadharan, Guards, Veteran
Thursday, July 9, 2009
Views by Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal ..Punjab 09 Jul 2009
Dear Veterans,
Finance Minister, in his budget speech, has just announced a little in-crease in pension exclusively for PBORs in the garb of ONE RANK ONE PENSION.
If I am not wrong "The Tribune" has explicitly clarified that the govt. has decided to remove an anomaly which was created after 5th Central Pay Commission when the pay/ pension for defence personnel was revised again in Oct. 1997.
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The Govt has decided to substantially improve the pension of defence pensioners below officer rank.
Meeting a long-pending demand of over a crore defence veterans and 12 lakh serving jawans, the government substantially increased the pension of ex-servicemen.
The new, revised pension would be implemented beginning this month, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee told the Lok Sabha while presenting the Budget for 2009-10.
In essence, the government has accepted the recommendation of the high-level committee headed by Cabinet Secretary K M Chandrasekhar that was set up in April to look into the defence pensioners' demands.
"Based on the recommendation of the committee headed by Cabinet Secretary on 'One Rank-One Pension' (OROP), the government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre-January one, 2006 defence pensioners below officer rank and bring pre-October 10, 1997 pensioners on par with post- October 10, 1997 pensioners," Mukherjee said.
The pre-January one, 2006 pensioners were affected following the implementation of the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations last October, while the pre- and post-October 10, 1997 pensioners were impacted by the Fifth Pay Commission recommendations.
The Finance Minister also noted that the decision to increase the pensions for defence personnel would cost the exchequer over Rs 2,100 crore annually.
Mukherjee said the government had also decided to liberalise certain pension benefits being extended to war-wounded and other disabled pensioners.
Ex-servicemen organisations have been demanding OROP for several years now, as they felt that there was a disparity in the amount to personnel holding the same rank and service record, but retiring at different point of time.
Following the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations in March last year, the veteran outfits have been holding protests and rallies across the country to forcefully urge the government to concede their demand.
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And there started a big storm of E-mails on the blog run by Brig. Kamboj from some brother veterans who even went to air out their 'Will to go to Court, against this giving the reason that the officers have not been included in this'.
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"One Rank, One Pension Troops cheer, officers feel left out"
Please click on the following URL and read :
http://www.tribunei ndia.com/ 2009/20090707/ main4.htm
A clear case of "Divide & Rule"? What next is the obvious question that comes to mind.
I enclose below a 'repeat' of Lt.Gen.(retd) Harwant Singh's posting of 08 Sep 2008 to show that it may be futile to expect the 'Congress Govt.' to give the officer cadre its due. History tells us that sad story.
In such a situation, may I request for consideration:
(a) - Request IESM Veteran Officers who have not returned their medals to do so. The same to be handed over to the Rashtrapathi Bhavan.
(b) - Its HIGH TIME that the IESM took the Govt. to the Supreme Court, just like the Maj. Gens. did. Let all IESM members contribute to defray the expenses for the suit. Name the PM, Def. Minister, Fin.Minister, Cabinet Secy., Def.Secy and the Three Chiefs in the suit. Let the Law takes its course.
My apologies if I have offended your sensitivities please.
Warm Regards.
Bala
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An email received from Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, Chairman IESM, giving IESM SITREP for 07 Jul 09, is reproduced below.
Secondly.
The amount allocated in the Indian Union Budget 2009-10 toward OROP is Rs 2100 crore. If we divide this amount by 12 lakh as stated in the FM speech, we get a figure of Rs 17,500.00 per ESM. Even if we divide this figure by 22 lakh the total estimated number of ESM, we get a figure of Rs 9,545.00 per ESM.
May be I am wrong in the above calculations - please recheck.
If my above calculations are correct - which I think is correct, then why are we making these statements against the announcements made by the FM?
I feel we should wait for the revised pension tables to be issued before we condemn the announcement made by FM and draw any other conclusions.
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Dear Sir,
Rs. 9,545.00 PM is enough for the veterans up to the rank of Hav. who have got an increase of Rs. 700.00 to Rs. 800.00 PM only as a result of recommendation of Sixth Central Pay Commission after 10 years.
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BUDGET ANNOUNCEMENT ON ONE RANK ONE PENSION; IMPLICATIONS
(Analysed by Gen renjan, IESM)
A skilfully crafted statement by the Finance Minister Mr Pranab Mukherjee on the long standing demand of the Defence Forces for One Rank One Pension (OROP), while presenting the 2009-10 budget, has created a wholly erroneous impression that OROP has finally been granted by the Congress Govt. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, available information indicates that the issue of OROP has not been even remotely addressed.
By bringing pre 1996 pensioners at par with the post 1996 pensioners, the Finance Minister has only rectified a 13 years old anomaly, which should have been done long ago. Revised pensions announced after the VI CPC had created three distinct classes of pensioners; pre 1996 retirees, 01 Jan 1996 to 31 Dec 2005 retirees and post 01 Jan 2006 retirees. As a result, similar personnel in each class received widely differing pensions. Equity and natural justice demanded that these artificial distinctions should have been removed whenever pensions were revised; post V and VI CPCs. Further, in a litigation relating to equity between pre and post 1996 defence pensioners, even the Supreme Court had ruled in Sep 2008 that such distinctions violated Article 14 of our Constitution. In fact, one may argue that Mr Mukherjee’s reported magnanimity is guided more by the apex court judgement than any serious concern for the Defence Pensioners.
Importantly, the distinction between pre and post 2006 pensioners remains un-addressed. It needs reminding that the demand of the Defence Forces and Defence Pensioners for OROP was, in fact, ONLY for removal of this distinction. Such indifference of the Congress Govt for the Defence Forces and veterans is all the more galling, when viewed against the President’s statement, assuring early resolution of OROP, at the recent combined session of the Parliament. And, what is one to make of repeated statements of the MoD and the Raksha Mantri that the gap in pensions between the old and new pensioners will be substantially reduced and pensionery benefits of officers and jawans brought as close to OROP as possible?
P.S.
1. While total ESM are in the region of 23 lakhs, pre 1996 pensioners (PBOR only) would be around 12 lakh only. FM’s figure of 12 lakh affected PBOR is therefore right.
2. If one divided 2100 crore by 12 lakh, one gets 17500/- . Thereafter, if one divides 17500/- by 12 months, one will get the average monthly enhancement per PBO -approx 1450/- pm per head. This, if you will all recall, is the average difference between the pre and post 1996 pensions of PBOR.
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I believe that the officer cadre has so far been preaching it sacredly "The Welfare of the Subordinate comes first". But with this exercise it is pretty clear that either those persons, who are raising the storm, are not well wishers of PBORs or what ever they have been preaching so for was a mere lip-sympathy to win over the support of PBORs (96%) for their own benefits.
When the demand of change of Pay Band for the rank of Lt. Col. from III to IV was being raised, no one from PBORs raised any objection. At the same time when PBORs have been crying for a change of Pay Band from I to II for Havildars and equivalent and Pay Band II to III for Sub. Maj. and equivalent, no one who mattered in this task from the other cadre, lent their support to this cause. What a pity? Under such circumstances, whose mom the PBORs should address as aunt.
It may, please, be noted that One Rank One Pension demand will be fulfilled only when pre-2006 and post-2006 pensioners are equated which, so far, has not been promised explicitly by the govt. but is certainly on the anvil.
I, humbly and sincerely, appeal to those concerned to wait for notification and see how and what govt. gives to PBORs. If giving a few hundreds exclusively to the PBORs by the govt. harms the officer cadre, they are at liberty to do any thing they like and if it does not harm them, they should carry on the fight for ONE RANK ONE PENSION, of course, with the full support from PBORs because it will add some more coins to their kitty also.
Lastly, I apologize, in advance, if my words have offended any one of my Veteran Brother.
With due regards.
Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.
President.
Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh .
(An independent body not aligned to IESL New Delhi)
Tele Fax. – 0175-5000896, Mob. 98554-09128.
Finance Minister, in his budget speech, has just announced a little in-crease in pension exclusively for PBORs in the garb of ONE RANK ONE PENSION.
If I am not wrong "The Tribune" has explicitly clarified that the govt. has decided to remove an anomaly which was created after 5th Central Pay Commission when the pay/ pension for defence personnel was revised again in Oct. 1997.
-----------------------
The Govt has decided to substantially improve the pension of defence pensioners below officer rank.
Meeting a long-pending demand of over a crore defence veterans and 12 lakh serving jawans, the government substantially increased the pension of ex-servicemen.
The new, revised pension would be implemented beginning this month, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee told the Lok Sabha while presenting the Budget for 2009-10.
In essence, the government has accepted the recommendation of the high-level committee headed by Cabinet Secretary K M Chandrasekhar that was set up in April to look into the defence pensioners' demands.
"Based on the recommendation of the committee headed by Cabinet Secretary on 'One Rank-One Pension' (OROP), the government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre-January one, 2006 defence pensioners below officer rank and bring pre-October 10, 1997 pensioners on par with post- October 10, 1997 pensioners," Mukherjee said.
The pre-January one, 2006 pensioners were affected following the implementation of the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations last October, while the pre- and post-October 10, 1997 pensioners were impacted by the Fifth Pay Commission recommendations.
The Finance Minister also noted that the decision to increase the pensions for defence personnel would cost the exchequer over Rs 2,100 crore annually.
Mukherjee said the government had also decided to liberalise certain pension benefits being extended to war-wounded and other disabled pensioners.
Ex-servicemen organisations have been demanding OROP for several years now, as they felt that there was a disparity in the amount to personnel holding the same rank and service record, but retiring at different point of time.
Following the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations in March last year, the veteran outfits have been holding protests and rallies across the country to forcefully urge the government to concede their demand.
---------------------------------------
And there started a big storm of E-mails on the blog run by Brig. Kamboj from some brother veterans who even went to air out their 'Will to go to Court, against this giving the reason that the officers have not been included in this'.
----------------------
"One Rank, One Pension Troops cheer, officers feel left out"
Please click on the following URL and read :
http://www.tribunei ndia.com/ 2009/20090707/ main4.htm
A clear case of "Divide & Rule"? What next is the obvious question that comes to mind.
I enclose below a 'repeat' of Lt.Gen.(retd) Harwant Singh's posting of 08 Sep 2008 to show that it may be futile to expect the 'Congress Govt.' to give the officer cadre its due. History tells us that sad story.
In such a situation, may I request for consideration:
(a) - Request IESM Veteran Officers who have not returned their medals to do so. The same to be handed over to the Rashtrapathi Bhavan.
(b) - Its HIGH TIME that the IESM took the Govt. to the Supreme Court, just like the Maj. Gens. did. Let all IESM members contribute to defray the expenses for the suit. Name the PM, Def. Minister, Fin.Minister, Cabinet Secy., Def.Secy and the Three Chiefs in the suit. Let the Law takes its course.
My apologies if I have offended your sensitivities please.
Warm Regards.
Bala
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An email received from Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, Chairman IESM, giving IESM SITREP for 07 Jul 09, is reproduced below.
Secondly.
The amount allocated in the Indian Union Budget 2009-10 toward OROP is Rs 2100 crore. If we divide this amount by 12 lakh as stated in the FM speech, we get a figure of Rs 17,500.00 per ESM. Even if we divide this figure by 22 lakh the total estimated number of ESM, we get a figure of Rs 9,545.00 per ESM.
May be I am wrong in the above calculations - please recheck.
If my above calculations are correct - which I think is correct, then why are we making these statements against the announcements made by the FM?
I feel we should wait for the revised pension tables to be issued before we condemn the announcement made by FM and draw any other conclusions.
-------------------------
Dear Sir,
Rs. 9,545.00 PM is enough for the veterans up to the rank of Hav. who have got an increase of Rs. 700.00 to Rs. 800.00 PM only as a result of recommendation of Sixth Central Pay Commission after 10 years.
-------------------------
BUDGET ANNOUNCEMENT ON ONE RANK ONE PENSION; IMPLICATIONS
(Analysed by Gen renjan, IESM)
A skilfully crafted statement by the Finance Minister Mr Pranab Mukherjee on the long standing demand of the Defence Forces for One Rank One Pension (OROP), while presenting the 2009-10 budget, has created a wholly erroneous impression that OROP has finally been granted by the Congress Govt. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, available information indicates that the issue of OROP has not been even remotely addressed.
By bringing pre 1996 pensioners at par with the post 1996 pensioners, the Finance Minister has only rectified a 13 years old anomaly, which should have been done long ago. Revised pensions announced after the VI CPC had created three distinct classes of pensioners; pre 1996 retirees, 01 Jan 1996 to 31 Dec 2005 retirees and post 01 Jan 2006 retirees. As a result, similar personnel in each class received widely differing pensions. Equity and natural justice demanded that these artificial distinctions should have been removed whenever pensions were revised; post V and VI CPCs. Further, in a litigation relating to equity between pre and post 1996 defence pensioners, even the Supreme Court had ruled in Sep 2008 that such distinctions violated Article 14 of our Constitution. In fact, one may argue that Mr Mukherjee’s reported magnanimity is guided more by the apex court judgement than any serious concern for the Defence Pensioners.
Importantly, the distinction between pre and post 2006 pensioners remains un-addressed. It needs reminding that the demand of the Defence Forces and Defence Pensioners for OROP was, in fact, ONLY for removal of this distinction. Such indifference of the Congress Govt for the Defence Forces and veterans is all the more galling, when viewed against the President’s statement, assuring early resolution of OROP, at the recent combined session of the Parliament. And, what is one to make of repeated statements of the MoD and the Raksha Mantri that the gap in pensions between the old and new pensioners will be substantially reduced and pensionery benefits of officers and jawans brought as close to OROP as possible?
P.S.
1. While total ESM are in the region of 23 lakhs, pre 1996 pensioners (PBOR only) would be around 12 lakh only. FM’s figure of 12 lakh affected PBOR is therefore right.
2. If one divided 2100 crore by 12 lakh, one gets 17500/- . Thereafter, if one divides 17500/- by 12 months, one will get the average monthly enhancement per PBO -approx 1450/- pm per head. This, if you will all recall, is the average difference between the pre and post 1996 pensions of PBOR.
-------------------------------
I believe that the officer cadre has so far been preaching it sacredly "The Welfare of the Subordinate comes first". But with this exercise it is pretty clear that either those persons, who are raising the storm, are not well wishers of PBORs or what ever they have been preaching so for was a mere lip-sympathy to win over the support of PBORs (96%) for their own benefits.
When the demand of change of Pay Band for the rank of Lt. Col. from III to IV was being raised, no one from PBORs raised any objection. At the same time when PBORs have been crying for a change of Pay Band from I to II for Havildars and equivalent and Pay Band II to III for Sub. Maj. and equivalent, no one who mattered in this task from the other cadre, lent their support to this cause. What a pity? Under such circumstances, whose mom the PBORs should address as aunt.
It may, please, be noted that One Rank One Pension demand will be fulfilled only when pre-2006 and post-2006 pensioners are equated which, so far, has not been promised explicitly by the govt. but is certainly on the anvil.
I, humbly and sincerely, appeal to those concerned to wait for notification and see how and what govt. gives to PBORs. If giving a few hundreds exclusively to the PBORs by the govt. harms the officer cadre, they are at liberty to do any thing they like and if it does not harm them, they should carry on the fight for ONE RANK ONE PENSION, of course, with the full support from PBORs because it will add some more coins to their kitty also.
Lastly, I apologize, in advance, if my words have offended any one of my Veteran Brother.
With due regards.
Veteran Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.
President.
Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh .
(An independent body not aligned to IESL New Delhi)
Tele Fax. – 0175-5000896, Mob. 98554-09128.
Tuesday, July 7, 2009
Kargil diwas at Tri ciry by Brig Kiran Krishan Panchkula
Kargil Diwas
For the Tri-city (Chandigarh, Mohali & Panchkula) we have planned homage to martyrs (in connection with the Kargil Diwas) (wreath laying, eye donation & organ pledging) in the morning (1030-1130h), and candle lighting in the evening (2000h) at the Major Shankla Memorial, Sector-2, Panchkula. A big medical and dental camp for weaker sections of society is being organised from 0900 to 1600h at the Satluj Public School, Sector-2, Panchkula on Sunday, 26 July 2009. A few lectures at selected schools are also planned. If you want more let me know earliest. Do join in the good cause. Your physical presence at the functions, more than anything else, would go a long way in confirming our commitment to society, and our own cause.
Regards,
Brig Kiran Krishan, IESM Convenor, Panchkula
For the Tri-city (Chandigarh, Mohali & Panchkula) we have planned homage to martyrs (in connection with the Kargil Diwas) (wreath laying, eye donation & organ pledging) in the morning (1030-1130h), and candle lighting in the evening (2000h) at the Major Shankla Memorial, Sector-2, Panchkula. A big medical and dental camp for weaker sections of society is being organised from 0900 to 1600h at the Satluj Public School, Sector-2, Panchkula on Sunday, 26 July 2009. A few lectures at selected schools are also planned. If you want more let me know earliest. Do join in the good cause. Your physical presence at the functions, more than anything else, would go a long way in confirming our commitment to society, and our own cause.
Regards,
Brig Kiran Krishan, IESM Convenor, Panchkula
Kargil Diwas by Maj gen Ian Cardozo
Country First
As you would recall that I had suggested the use of the marigold as a significant symbol to remind Indians of the sacrifices made by the armed forces for the nation and to remind them of the war dead and the 'Unknown Soldier'. We need to take this forward. Unlike the rose, the simple Indian marigold is used by Indians as a symbol of respect since time immemorial.
I am in the UK now. Here it is 'Remembrance Day' and the symbol for the war dead and the war disabled is the poppy. On Remembrance Day the whole of UK unites to pay homage to the war dead and the Unknown Soldier. The poppy is given to the citizens of this country and the recipient gives whatever he/ she can afford. The money collected is used for the welfare of disabled soldiers and the families of the war dead.
If the system does not do enough for the soldier in India then we need to do it ourselves. You would recall that before the 1971 War, the LIC refused to insure us against death/ disablement due to war and we had to subsequently set up the Army Group Insurance scheme. We should also similarly think of what we can do for the families of those who have sacrificed their all. The British system of Poppy Day/ Remembrance Day is a case in point.
I had also spoken about a long term strategy of what we should do 'long term'. I had suggested the setting up of a political party based on the philosophy of the Chetwode motto of 'Country First' and a strong set of values that puts country first, people next and self last. The wrangling that is presently going on between various Service groups is indicative that at the very start we are a divided lot and that if we do go by the objective of forming a political party at some point of time we will be no better than any other political party, in which case we might as well shelve this laudable aim. The country holds the Army in high esteem and we will be able to do well ONLY IF we prove that even after retirement we can be great instruments of change based on a solid set of values.
Maj Gen Ian Cardozo
Kargil Diwas
For the Tri-city (Chandigarh, Mohali & Panchkula) we have planned homage to martyrs (in connection with the Kargil Diwas) (wreath laying, eye donation & organ pledging) in the morning (1030-1130h), and candle lighting in the evening (2000h) at the Major Shankla Memorial, Sector-2, Panchkula. A big medical and dental camp for weaker sections of society is being organised from 0900 to 1600h at the Satluj Public School, Sector-2, Panchkula on Sunday, 26 July 2009. A few lectures at selected schools are also planned. If you want more let me know earliest. Do join in the good cause. Your physical presence at the functions, more than anything else, would go a long way in confirming our commitment to society, and our own cause.
Regards,
Brig Kiran Krishan, IESM Convenor, Panchkula
As you would recall that I had suggested the use of the marigold as a significant symbol to remind Indians of the sacrifices made by the armed forces for the nation and to remind them of the war dead and the 'Unknown Soldier'. We need to take this forward. Unlike the rose, the simple Indian marigold is used by Indians as a symbol of respect since time immemorial.
I am in the UK now. Here it is 'Remembrance Day' and the symbol for the war dead and the war disabled is the poppy. On Remembrance Day the whole of UK unites to pay homage to the war dead and the Unknown Soldier. The poppy is given to the citizens of this country and the recipient gives whatever he/ she can afford. The money collected is used for the welfare of disabled soldiers and the families of the war dead.
If the system does not do enough for the soldier in India then we need to do it ourselves. You would recall that before the 1971 War, the LIC refused to insure us against death/ disablement due to war and we had to subsequently set up the Army Group Insurance scheme. We should also similarly think of what we can do for the families of those who have sacrificed their all. The British system of Poppy Day/ Remembrance Day is a case in point.
I had also spoken about a long term strategy of what we should do 'long term'. I had suggested the setting up of a political party based on the philosophy of the Chetwode motto of 'Country First' and a strong set of values that puts country first, people next and self last. The wrangling that is presently going on between various Service groups is indicative that at the very start we are a divided lot and that if we do go by the objective of forming a political party at some point of time we will be no better than any other political party, in which case we might as well shelve this laudable aim. The country holds the Army in high esteem and we will be able to do well ONLY IF we prove that even after retirement we can be great instruments of change based on a solid set of values.
Maj Gen Ian Cardozo
Kargil Diwas
For the Tri-city (Chandigarh, Mohali & Panchkula) we have planned homage to martyrs (in connection with the Kargil Diwas) (wreath laying, eye donation & organ pledging) in the morning (1030-1130h), and candle lighting in the evening (2000h) at the Major Shankla Memorial, Sector-2, Panchkula. A big medical and dental camp for weaker sections of society is being organised from 0900 to 1600h at the Satluj Public School, Sector-2, Panchkula on Sunday, 26 July 2009. A few lectures at selected schools are also planned. If you want more let me know earliest. Do join in the good cause. Your physical presence at the functions, more than anything else, would go a long way in confirming our commitment to society, and our own cause.
Regards,
Brig Kiran Krishan, IESM Convenor, Panchkula
Troops cheer, officers feel left out by Tribune
One Rank, One Pension
Troops cheer, officers feel left out
Vijay Mohan
Tribune News Service
Chandigarh, July 6
The announcement of a new system in the Union Budget for parity in pensions for defence personnel is welcome news for the troops, but it has left the officer cadre fuming.
Based on the recommendation of a committee headed by the Cabinet Secretary on One Rank One Pension (OROP), the government has decided to “substantially improve” the pensions of other ranks and bridge the gap between pre-2006 and post-2006 retirees. This is expected to cost the exchequer Rs 2,100 crore.
The government’s announcement does not cover officers, and a large number of them have expressed disappointment at being left out. Following the announcement of the recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission, they had protested over what they perceived was a raw deal handed out to them.
The recommendations of the 6th Pay Commission had faced sharp criticism for widening the wedge between personnel who retired before and after January 1, 2006 - the cut off date for the implementation of new scales. While earlier the pensions of PBOR were calculated on the basis of the top of the pay scales, the 6th Pay Commission postulated a calculation at the bottom of scales at par with civilians since one single scale was now brought into force for all ranks from Sepoy to Havildar.
While the actual system of calculation remains hazy, sources say that it will substantially bring down the gap between retirees of various vintages. Ministry of Defence sources point out that the pensions of officers have always been linked to the pension calculation system in vogue for civil employees, whereas, Personnel Below Officers Rank (PBOR) have traditionally had a separate system in view of their service profile resulting in retirement starting from the age of 33 onwards. Even till 1996, retired PBOR of different eras were drawing almost the same pension, which was however upset by the 6th central pay commission, an anomaly that now stands addressed.
Troops cheer, officers feel left out
Vijay Mohan
Tribune News Service
Chandigarh, July 6
The announcement of a new system in the Union Budget for parity in pensions for defence personnel is welcome news for the troops, but it has left the officer cadre fuming.
Based on the recommendation of a committee headed by the Cabinet Secretary on One Rank One Pension (OROP), the government has decided to “substantially improve” the pensions of other ranks and bridge the gap between pre-2006 and post-2006 retirees. This is expected to cost the exchequer Rs 2,100 crore.
The government’s announcement does not cover officers, and a large number of them have expressed disappointment at being left out. Following the announcement of the recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission, they had protested over what they perceived was a raw deal handed out to them.
The recommendations of the 6th Pay Commission had faced sharp criticism for widening the wedge between personnel who retired before and after January 1, 2006 - the cut off date for the implementation of new scales. While earlier the pensions of PBOR were calculated on the basis of the top of the pay scales, the 6th Pay Commission postulated a calculation at the bottom of scales at par with civilians since one single scale was now brought into force for all ranks from Sepoy to Havildar.
While the actual system of calculation remains hazy, sources say that it will substantially bring down the gap between retirees of various vintages. Ministry of Defence sources point out that the pensions of officers have always been linked to the pension calculation system in vogue for civil employees, whereas, Personnel Below Officers Rank (PBOR) have traditionally had a separate system in view of their service profile resulting in retirement starting from the age of 33 onwards. Even till 1996, retired PBOR of different eras were drawing almost the same pension, which was however upset by the 6th central pay commission, an anomaly that now stands addressed.
"OROP : TROOPS CHEER , OFFICERS FEEL LEFT OUT" -
Gen Harwant's article of Sep 08 is a good reminder that we are not likely to get anything out of the UPA govt. I feel that we should keep our powder dry till something comes out in writing. I was talking to AG's Br this morning and they were unaware as to what is in store ESM. Even the Secy ESW Dept was clueless. The gen feeling is that the govt wants to split the offrs and PBOR and deal with them piecemeal.
We should act on the following lines:-
a) All ESM orgs should give in writing to IESM that they support it fully and if necessary become its members. Numbers matter.
b) The thrust should be to fight the case of PBOR with greater gusto as they have been shortchanged, as per AG's Br, and their will to seek their dues may weaken.
c) Agree with Capt Bala that we should go to court with comprehensive case, covering all ranks.
d) The BJP seems to have been fooled by the word OROP used by the FM, not aware that it has been used wrongly, as the PBOR have only been brought upto the 5th Pay Comm level. BJP must grill the UPA in the current parliamentary session on this falsehood.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd)
E 403 Som Vihar Apts,
RK Puram
New Delhi 110022 - India
Tele +91 11 26102171
Mob +91 981000
We should act on the following lines:-
a) All ESM orgs should give in writing to IESM that they support it fully and if necessary become its members. Numbers matter.
b) The thrust should be to fight the case of PBOR with greater gusto as they have been shortchanged, as per AG's Br, and their will to seek their dues may weaken.
c) Agree with Capt Bala that we should go to court with comprehensive case, covering all ranks.
d) The BJP seems to have been fooled by the word OROP used by the FM, not aware that it has been used wrongly, as the PBOR have only been brought upto the 5th Pay Comm level. BJP must grill the UPA in the current parliamentary session on this falsehood.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd)
E 403 Som Vihar Apts,
RK Puram
New Delhi 110022 - India
Tele +91 11 26102171
Mob +91 981000
Ex-servicemen await benefits of one-rank-one-pay
Meeting a long-pending demand of over a crore defence veterans and 12 lakh serving jawans, the government substantially increased the pension of ex-servicemen. The new, revised pension would be implemented beginning this month, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee told the Lok Sabha while presenting the Budget for 2009-10.
Ex-servicemen organisations have been demanding "One Rank One Pension" (OROP) arising out of pay commission recommendations, as they felt that there was a disparity in the amount to personnel holding the same rank and service record, but retiring at different point of time.
One Rank One Pension for defence personnel approved, Budget 2009
Monday, July 6, 2009
Budget Proposal: One Rank One Pension for Ex-Servicemen (OROP)
"Our country owes a deep debt of gratitude to our valiant ex-Servicemen. The Committee headed by the Cabinet Secretary on OROP has submitted its report and the recommendations of the Committee have been accepted. On the basis of these recommendations, the Government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre 1.1.2006 defence pensioners below officer rank (PBOR) and bring pre 10.10.1997 pensioners on par with post 10.10.1997 pensioners. Both these decisions will be implemented from 1st July 2009 resulting in enhanced pension for more than 12 lakh jawans and JCOs. These measures will cost the exchequer more than Rs.2,100 crore annually. Certain pension benefits being extended to war wounded and other disabled pensioners are also being liberalised."
Source : FM's Budget Proposal.
Budget Proposal: One Rank One Pension for Ex-Servicemen (OROP)
Posted by SIGNAL on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 Links to this post
Labels: Grievances of ESM, One- Rank One- Pension for All Ranks, Pension Adalats, Pension Parity, Rank Based Pension, Welfare Ex- Servicemen
Ex-servicemen await benefits of one-rank-one-pay
7 Jul 2009, 0131 hrs IST, TNN
PUNE: With 45 per cent of ex-servicemen of Maharashtra settled in the Pune region, the Union Budget's one-rank-one-pension' announcement spelt good cheer. However, most of beneficiaries now await the actualities of how they stand to benefit from the move.
Under the Union Budget for 2009-10, the government has increased the pension of ex-servicemen. The new and revised pension will be implemented beginning this month, finance minister Pranab Mukherjee told the Lok Sabha while presenting the Budget.
"Based on the recommendation of a committee on one-rank-one-pension', the government has decided to substantially improve the pension of the pre-January 1, 2006, defence pensioners below officer rank and bring pre-October 10, 1997, pensioners on par with post-October 10, 1997, pensioners," Mukherjee said during the presentation.
It may be noted that the pre-January 1, 2006, pensioners were affected following implementation of the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations last October, while the pre- and post-October 10, 1997, pensioners were impacted by the Fifth Pay Commission recommendations.
For long, organisations of ex-servicemen had been demanding that the disparity in pension to personnel holding the same rank and service record, but retiring at different points of time, be removed.
"The decision will benefit a large number of soldiers, especially those who retired before 1996," said Bhagatsinh Deshmukh, former director of Maharashtra State Sainik Welfare Board. "Still, this is just an announcement. The realities will show after the full details are revealed."
According to Deshmukh, nearly 60,000 defence personnel retire in our country every year. Out of this, 10 per cent are from Maharashtra. There are around two lakh ex-servicemen in the state at present. Most of them are settled in the Pune region, which has five districts including Pune, Solapur, Kolhapur, Sangli and Satara.
"We are happy that our pensions have been increased," Maruti Lawate, a retired solider told TOI. He also said that he and his other colleagues are now waiting to go through the details of this decision.
Another ex-serviceman, Dattatraya Jadhav, said, "An increase or making the pensions equal was much-needed. Especially in these times of increasing inflation," he said. "In some cases, junior officers or people who have served for a less number of years are getting more pension. This kind of discrepancies would go after this decision."
Ex-servicemen await benefits of one-rank-one-pay
Ex-servicemen organisations have been demanding "One Rank One Pension" (OROP) arising out of pay commission recommendations, as they felt that there was a disparity in the amount to personnel holding the same rank and service record, but retiring at different point of time.
One Rank One Pension for defence personnel approved, Budget 2009
Monday, July 6, 2009
Budget Proposal: One Rank One Pension for Ex-Servicemen (OROP)
"Our country owes a deep debt of gratitude to our valiant ex-Servicemen. The Committee headed by the Cabinet Secretary on OROP has submitted its report and the recommendations of the Committee have been accepted. On the basis of these recommendations, the Government has decided to substantially improve the pension of pre 1.1.2006 defence pensioners below officer rank (PBOR) and bring pre 10.10.1997 pensioners on par with post 10.10.1997 pensioners. Both these decisions will be implemented from 1st July 2009 resulting in enhanced pension for more than 12 lakh jawans and JCOs. These measures will cost the exchequer more than Rs.2,100 crore annually. Certain pension benefits being extended to war wounded and other disabled pensioners are also being liberalised."
Source : FM's Budget Proposal.
Budget Proposal: One Rank One Pension for Ex-Servicemen (OROP)
Posted by SIGNAL on Tuesday, July 07, 2009 Links to this post
Labels: Grievances of ESM, One- Rank One- Pension for All Ranks, Pension Adalats, Pension Parity, Rank Based Pension, Welfare Ex- Servicemen
Ex-servicemen await benefits of one-rank-one-pay
7 Jul 2009, 0131 hrs IST, TNN
PUNE: With 45 per cent of ex-servicemen of Maharashtra settled in the Pune region, the Union Budget's one-rank-one-pension' announcement spelt good cheer. However, most of beneficiaries now await the actualities of how they stand to benefit from the move.
Under the Union Budget for 2009-10, the government has increased the pension of ex-servicemen. The new and revised pension will be implemented beginning this month, finance minister Pranab Mukherjee told the Lok Sabha while presenting the Budget.
"Based on the recommendation of a committee on one-rank-one-pension', the government has decided to substantially improve the pension of the pre-January 1, 2006, defence pensioners below officer rank and bring pre-October 10, 1997, pensioners on par with post-October 10, 1997, pensioners," Mukherjee said during the presentation.
It may be noted that the pre-January 1, 2006, pensioners were affected following implementation of the Sixth Pay Commission recommendations last October, while the pre- and post-October 10, 1997, pensioners were impacted by the Fifth Pay Commission recommendations.
For long, organisations of ex-servicemen had been demanding that the disparity in pension to personnel holding the same rank and service record, but retiring at different points of time, be removed.
"The decision will benefit a large number of soldiers, especially those who retired before 1996," said Bhagatsinh Deshmukh, former director of Maharashtra State Sainik Welfare Board. "Still, this is just an announcement. The realities will show after the full details are revealed."
According to Deshmukh, nearly 60,000 defence personnel retire in our country every year. Out of this, 10 per cent are from Maharashtra. There are around two lakh ex-servicemen in the state at present. Most of them are settled in the Pune region, which has five districts including Pune, Solapur, Kolhapur, Sangli and Satara.
"We are happy that our pensions have been increased," Maruti Lawate, a retired solider told TOI. He also said that he and his other colleagues are now waiting to go through the details of this decision.
Another ex-serviceman, Dattatraya Jadhav, said, "An increase or making the pensions equal was much-needed. Especially in these times of increasing inflation," he said. "In some cases, junior officers or people who have served for a less number of years are getting more pension. This kind of discrepancies would go after this decision."
Ex-servicemen await benefits of one-rank-one-pay
Force veterans in pension sulk
The Telegraph- Kolkata SUJAN DUTTA
New Delhi, July 6: Officers in the armed forces were today unhappy that they were ignored despite the Rs 2,100-crore payout for pensioners that Pranab Mukherjee announced on the recommendation of a panel that studied the demand from veterans for “one rank one pension”.
Military veterans have been demanding equal pension to soldiers of the same rank with the same length of service since the early 1980s.
This May, after many representations to the government, the Indian Ex-Servicemen Association asked its members to “return” their merit and gallantry medals as a mark of protest. Nearly 13,000 medals were deposited at Rashtrapati Bhavan after that call. The Centre then asked the cabinet secretary to look into the demand.
Mukherjee said today the Rs 2,100-crore payout would benefit over 12 lakh personnel below officer rank — soldiers and junior commissioned officers (JCO). These are soldiers who retired as sepoy, naik, havildar, subedar, naib subedar and subedar major (and their equivalents in the navy and the air force).
A subedar major who retired after January 2006 — a JCO at the top of the scale among the personnel below officer rank (PBOR) — draws a pension of Rs 10,795 a month. There are over 24 lakh ex-servicemen in the country.
Mukherjee said the Centre would hike the amount given to personnel below officer rank who retired before 2006. The amount would also be used to bring PBOR pensioners in two categories — those who retired before October 10, 1997, and after that— on a par.
“This is not an acceptance of our demand for one rank one pension,” Major General (retired) Satbir Singh, the vice-chairman of the Indian Ex-Servicemen Association, said.
“It is merely a bridging of the gap for pensioners who retired before October 1997 and after that. And this also does not apply to officers. If one rank one pension is meant to be given only to the other (non-officer) ranks, it is a serious negative fallout (of the demand that we have made).”
Serving officers do not speak out on government decisions because rules forbid them to. But it is widely acknowledged that the ex-servicemen association’s demands are supported by serving and retired personnel.
Allocations retained
Mukherjee today retained February’s interim allocations for the armed forces in his budget for 2009-2010. The allocations were a 34 per cent hike over 2008-2009. The total budgetary outlay for defence is Rs 1,41,703 crore (compared to Rs 1,05,600 crore in 2008-2009).
The air force gets a capital outlay for new and continuing acquisitions of Rs 19,959.22 crore, about Rs 3,000 crore more than in 2008-2009; the army gets Rs 17,767.85 crore, a hike of Rs 6,637 crore over the last fiscal; and the navy Rs 11,873.78 crore, including a hike of Rs 2858.53 crore, for expansion of its fleet.
New Delhi, July 6: Officers in the armed forces were today unhappy that they were ignored despite the Rs 2,100-crore payout for pensioners that Pranab Mukherjee announced on the recommendation of a panel that studied the demand from veterans for “one rank one pension”.
Military veterans have been demanding equal pension to soldiers of the same rank with the same length of service since the early 1980s.
This May, after many representations to the government, the Indian Ex-Servicemen Association asked its members to “return” their merit and gallantry medals as a mark of protest. Nearly 13,000 medals were deposited at Rashtrapati Bhavan after that call. The Centre then asked the cabinet secretary to look into the demand.
Mukherjee said today the Rs 2,100-crore payout would benefit over 12 lakh personnel below officer rank — soldiers and junior commissioned officers (JCO). These are soldiers who retired as sepoy, naik, havildar, subedar, naib subedar and subedar major (and their equivalents in the navy and the air force).
A subedar major who retired after January 2006 — a JCO at the top of the scale among the personnel below officer rank (PBOR) — draws a pension of Rs 10,795 a month. There are over 24 lakh ex-servicemen in the country.
Mukherjee said the Centre would hike the amount given to personnel below officer rank who retired before 2006. The amount would also be used to bring PBOR pensioners in two categories — those who retired before October 10, 1997, and after that— on a par.
“This is not an acceptance of our demand for one rank one pension,” Major General (retired) Satbir Singh, the vice-chairman of the Indian Ex-Servicemen Association, said.
“It is merely a bridging of the gap for pensioners who retired before October 1997 and after that. And this also does not apply to officers. If one rank one pension is meant to be given only to the other (non-officer) ranks, it is a serious negative fallout (of the demand that we have made).”
Serving officers do not speak out on government decisions because rules forbid them to. But it is widely acknowledged that the ex-servicemen association’s demands are supported by serving and retired personnel.
Allocations retained
Mukherjee today retained February’s interim allocations for the armed forces in his budget for 2009-2010. The allocations were a 34 per cent hike over 2008-2009. The total budgetary outlay for defence is Rs 1,41,703 crore (compared to Rs 1,05,600 crore in 2008-2009).
The air force gets a capital outlay for new and continuing acquisitions of Rs 19,959.22 crore, about Rs 3,000 crore more than in 2008-2009; the army gets Rs 17,767.85 crore, a hike of Rs 6,637 crore over the last fiscal; and the navy Rs 11,873.78 crore, including a hike of Rs 2858.53 crore, for expansion of its fleet.
Monday, July 6, 2009
DISABLED VETERANS ARE THE LIVING DEAD..by Lt Col Upindera Singh Gill, SM
(COPY OF AN E MAIL RECEIVED FROM LT COL UPINDERA SINGH GILL ,A DISABLED VETERAN):e mail ID: upindergill@hotmail.com
I have been reading your mails forwarded by many a friend
it is sure very apt to remember the martyrs of kargil
the units along with survivors celebrate the VICTORY.
but has any one ever given a thought about another element
THE BATTLE CASUALTIES - DISABLED WAR VETERANS and
ever facilitated them
Unfortunately a lot of BRAVE HEARTS who live a life of anonymity,
kind courtesy the ARMED FORCES , have been forgotten into the dusk
of operations and truly are the LIVING DEAD of the armed forces and this country.
One ought to be ashamed to have for-gotten this element. But none are,
as you may be aware. The AG"s branch AHQ and MOD have no record
after the battle casualties are invalided out of service and are treated as
ordinary pensioners.
So, that is why the lot is fighting a lone battle for their rights and emoluments
none of the ESM's, IESL or IESM have raised a whimper over the DISABILITY
EMOLUMENTS disparity and gradual erosion of the dues
IN 1972, the Congress govt of Smt Indera Gandhi, authorised that Disabled War veterans irrespective of years of service rendered, would be deemed to have served full service in the rank and get the pension of maximum in rank and disability element of 60% there of.
this was reduced to min of rank subsequently, THE INTERIM LOT EFFECTED ARE FIGHTING THEIR CASE IN COURT
When the Adjutant General is unaware of all this, then how could the Service Chiefs
and any one else in hierarchy be aware
I did write to Gen kadyan, about taking up the cause, the reply was lets sort out
the OROP first then shall take up the case. My stand is why not now and along side
strike as the iron is hot
Sir, all that is being sought is parity with the post 2006 WIP's , instead of the fixing
of disability element let it be as per the % of pension deemed for the post casualties
and not to have different tables
THEREFORE IT IS A BLATANT IGNORANCE OF THIS CLASS OF BRAVE HEARTS -
THE LIVING DEAD, BY EACH AND EVERY SECTION OF THE SERVING AND RETIRED COMMUNITY OF THE ARMED forces. HAVE YOU EVER WITNESSED THEM BEING
HONOURABLY INVITED TO ANY FUNCTION AT STATE LEVEL BY ANY GOVT OR UNIT,
BRIGADE,DIVISION CORPS,COMMAND, ARMY
WHAT COULD BE MORE HUMILIATING, INSULTING, DEROGATORY, .............
use what ever other words one can
The poor PBOR's with their meager salaries are unable and unwilling to financially support the only organisation fighting for their dues in courts of justice, and being financially
contributed by a few willing officer members of the MOD recognised DISABLED WAR VETERANS ASSOCIATION OF INDIA.
I wonder Sir, how best you and others who are active and involved, FIGHT FOR THE JUST AND REALISTIC DEMAND OF RECTIFYING THE ANOMALIES IN THEIR EMOLUMENTS AND GIVING THEM AN HONOURABLE EXISTENCE
LASTLY NOT TO FOR GET THE OTHER DISABLED PERSONNEL, THEIR DUES TOO HAVE TO BE RECTIFIED ALONG WITH
Regards
Lt Col Upindera Singh Gill, SM
BC
I have been reading your mails forwarded by many a friend
it is sure very apt to remember the martyrs of kargil
the units along with survivors celebrate the VICTORY.
but has any one ever given a thought about another element
THE BATTLE CASUALTIES - DISABLED WAR VETERANS and
ever facilitated them
Unfortunately a lot of BRAVE HEARTS who live a life of anonymity,
kind courtesy the ARMED FORCES , have been forgotten into the dusk
of operations and truly are the LIVING DEAD of the armed forces and this country.
One ought to be ashamed to have for-gotten this element. But none are,
as you may be aware. The AG"s branch AHQ and MOD have no record
after the battle casualties are invalided out of service and are treated as
ordinary pensioners.
So, that is why the lot is fighting a lone battle for their rights and emoluments
none of the ESM's, IESL or IESM have raised a whimper over the DISABILITY
EMOLUMENTS disparity and gradual erosion of the dues
IN 1972, the Congress govt of Smt Indera Gandhi, authorised that Disabled War veterans irrespective of years of service rendered, would be deemed to have served full service in the rank and get the pension of maximum in rank and disability element of 60% there of.
this was reduced to min of rank subsequently, THE INTERIM LOT EFFECTED ARE FIGHTING THEIR CASE IN COURT
When the Adjutant General is unaware of all this, then how could the Service Chiefs
and any one else in hierarchy be aware
I did write to Gen kadyan, about taking up the cause, the reply was lets sort out
the OROP first then shall take up the case. My stand is why not now and along side
strike as the iron is hot
Sir, all that is being sought is parity with the post 2006 WIP's , instead of the fixing
of disability element let it be as per the % of pension deemed for the post casualties
and not to have different tables
THEREFORE IT IS A BLATANT IGNORANCE OF THIS CLASS OF BRAVE HEARTS -
THE LIVING DEAD, BY EACH AND EVERY SECTION OF THE SERVING AND RETIRED COMMUNITY OF THE ARMED forces. HAVE YOU EVER WITNESSED THEM BEING
HONOURABLY INVITED TO ANY FUNCTION AT STATE LEVEL BY ANY GOVT OR UNIT,
BRIGADE,DIVISION CORPS,COMMAND, ARMY
WHAT COULD BE MORE HUMILIATING, INSULTING, DEROGATORY, .............
use what ever other words one can
The poor PBOR's with their meager salaries are unable and unwilling to financially support the only organisation fighting for their dues in courts of justice, and being financially
contributed by a few willing officer members of the MOD recognised DISABLED WAR VETERANS ASSOCIATION OF INDIA.
I wonder Sir, how best you and others who are active and involved, FIGHT FOR THE JUST AND REALISTIC DEMAND OF RECTIFYING THE ANOMALIES IN THEIR EMOLUMENTS AND GIVING THEM AN HONOURABLE EXISTENCE
LASTLY NOT TO FOR GET THE OTHER DISABLED PERSONNEL, THEIR DUES TOO HAVE TO BE RECTIFIED ALONG WITH
Regards
Lt Col Upindera Singh Gill, SM
BC
Sunday, July 5, 2009
ESM Protest against Stamp Duty : Punjab Govt ( SEWA SARKAR)
Dear All,
1. New Reports regarding step treatment give to ESM by the present SAD+BJP Govt in Punjab are attached.
2. We should not get carried away because the Govt Motto is " It is not Raj but Sewa" so the best sewa treatment being given to the Sewadars of the Nation. This is the Way the SAD and BJP functions. Lets learn a lesson for Future and lets not repeat history by hipocrates Politicians.
Regards
Col CJS Khera
Saturday, July 4, 2009
Efforts by Lt Col Inderjit Singh on OROP
ALL INDIA EX-SERVICES WELFARE ASSOCIATION
Lt Col Inderjit Singh (Retd)
CHAIRMAN B Sc, p.s.c
Member:
Standing Committee of Voluntary Agencies
Ministry of Personnel
Public Grievances & Pensions
Govt of India
Dear Friends,
Soon after the invitation of Brig R K Gulia for the meeting at the IESL HQs I met the RM and gave him our submissions. Copy of the same is enclosed above.
While we are seeking OROP, Brig R K Gulia and his coterie wants much less thereby destroying all the efforts put in by our Association over the last 30 years. Best of luck with such NETAS.We shall however continue relentlessly to achieve our ultimate goals.
Copy of our submission for Cabinet Secretary Committee has already been mailed to you.
Sincerely,
Inderjit Singh
Lt Col Inderjit Singh (Retd)
CHAIRMAN B Sc, p.s.c
Member:
Standing Committee of Voluntary Agencies
Ministry of Personnel
Public Grievances & Pensions
Govt of India
Dear Friends,
Soon after the invitation of Brig R K Gulia for the meeting at the IESL HQs I met the RM and gave him our submissions. Copy of the same is enclosed above.
While we are seeking OROP, Brig R K Gulia and his coterie wants much less thereby destroying all the efforts put in by our Association over the last 30 years. Best of luck with such NETAS.We shall however continue relentlessly to achieve our ultimate goals.
Copy of our submission for Cabinet Secretary Committee has already been mailed to you.
Sincerely,
Inderjit Singh
Still Trying...Never say die..on OROP ...Lt Col Inderjit singh
ALL INDIA EX-SERVICES WELFARE ASSOCIATION
Lt Col Inderjit Singh (Retd)
CHAIRMAN B Sc, p.s.c
Member:
Standing Committee of Voluntary Agencies
Ministry of Personnel
Public Grievances & Pensions
Govt of India
Dear Friends,
I have read the newspaper reports as well as the shenanigans of Brig R K Gulia.
The Cabinet Secretary has made the presentation to the Hon’ble Prime Minister a few days back.
Ostensibly they have given modified parity to bridge the gap between old and new pensioners. From what little one could gather from the newspaper clippings and so called submission by our great friend and mentor in Brig R K Gulia, it seems that the report is neither parity nor its modified version. At best it is a half-hearted effort for bridging the gap.
Disturbed by this situation we are trying to repair the damage through the leadership. On 4 Jul. 2009 I had a very useful meeting with the Hon’ble Raksha Mantri and tried to convince him about the futility of the Cabinet Secretary report. I requested him to take matters in his own hands and give us our dues.
His response was very positive. Our efforts would continue till we are able to repair the damage done by the self-seeking NETAS of ex-servicemen. Copy of the letter on the matter given to him is given below.
Sincerely,
Inderjit Singh
COPY OF OUR LETTER TO HONORABLE RAKSHA MANTRI DATED 04 JUNE 2009
Respected Antony Sahib,
During over 30 years of my work for the cause of ex-servicemen, I have always had only the Congress Govt taking up the problems of ex-servicemen seriously and finding an acceptable solution.
2. It was no surprise when the Prime Minister was kind to appoint a Group of Ministers to attend to our one single most important problem of ONE RANK ONE PENSION (OROP) in 2005. They gave us full parity with Fifth Pay Commission Rates. In other words they gave us OROP with Fifth CPC Rates under your Govt only.
3. The Sixth CPC rather then give us full parity with their rates and maintain the established precedence not only consciously changed that but also brought in several other anomalies. The Congress Govt again came to our rescue by appointing various Committees and finally the Committee of the Cabinet Secretary to solve our problems. This Committee has made the presentation with regard to their recommendations to the Hon’ble Prime Minister.
4. As per several newspaper reports they claim to have given a modified parity to bridge the gap between the old and new pensioners.
5. Whatever little information we have, it seems that their award is neither parity nor its modified version. As regards the bridging of the gap is concerned they may have bridged the gap to an extent but failed to utilize the formula that was used for bridging the gap between pre and post 1986 pensioners by the High Level Empowered Committee (HLEC) in 1991, of which The Hon’ble Prime Minister and I were members.
6. The people who had always created the problems for us can never do justice to us as arbiters of our needs. It is the leadership that has to take a decision what they want to give and how they want the SAVIOURS of the Nation to be treated and then give directions for executing their decisions.
7. There are the following possibilities that could do justice to the ex-servicemen and on which you have to take a call:-
(a) The leadership wishes to give OROP. In this case you have a ready solution from the report of the GOM appointed by your Govt in 2005. Their report recommended full parity with Fifth CPC rates. On the basis of that report order full parity with Sixth CPC Report.
(b) The leadership wishes to bridge the gap between old and new pensioners. For this we have the formula that was applied in 1991 by the HLEC of which The Hon’ble Prime Minister and I were members. By this formula we will have Rs. 10-46 less than the current pensioners. This would be acceptable provided it becomes pension increase formula for all future increases in pensions.
(c) The leadership wishes to find another acceptable solution. For this the solution is appointment of another HLEC in which we are represented. We can always come out with an acceptable solution.
8. On the first two solutions the papers exist in the MOD. The third one can be found by the HLEC.
9. May we appeal to you to kindly help the ex-servicemen by solving this one single most irksome problem once for all and win the goodwill for yourself and the party for all times to come.
The Hon’ble
Mr. A. K. Antony
Defence Minister
Govt of India
New Delhi
Sincerely
Inderjit Singh
Lt Col Inderjit Singh (Retd)
CHAIRMAN B Sc, p.s.c
Member:
Standing Committee of Voluntary Agencies
Ministry of Personnel
Public Grievances & Pensions
Govt of India
Dear Friends,
I have read the newspaper reports as well as the shenanigans of Brig R K Gulia.
The Cabinet Secretary has made the presentation to the Hon’ble Prime Minister a few days back.
Ostensibly they have given modified parity to bridge the gap between old and new pensioners. From what little one could gather from the newspaper clippings and so called submission by our great friend and mentor in Brig R K Gulia, it seems that the report is neither parity nor its modified version. At best it is a half-hearted effort for bridging the gap.
Disturbed by this situation we are trying to repair the damage through the leadership. On 4 Jul. 2009 I had a very useful meeting with the Hon’ble Raksha Mantri and tried to convince him about the futility of the Cabinet Secretary report. I requested him to take matters in his own hands and give us our dues.
His response was very positive. Our efforts would continue till we are able to repair the damage done by the self-seeking NETAS of ex-servicemen. Copy of the letter on the matter given to him is given below.
Sincerely,
Inderjit Singh
COPY OF OUR LETTER TO HONORABLE RAKSHA MANTRI DATED 04 JUNE 2009
Respected Antony Sahib,
During over 30 years of my work for the cause of ex-servicemen, I have always had only the Congress Govt taking up the problems of ex-servicemen seriously and finding an acceptable solution.
2. It was no surprise when the Prime Minister was kind to appoint a Group of Ministers to attend to our one single most important problem of ONE RANK ONE PENSION (OROP) in 2005. They gave us full parity with Fifth Pay Commission Rates. In other words they gave us OROP with Fifth CPC Rates under your Govt only.
3. The Sixth CPC rather then give us full parity with their rates and maintain the established precedence not only consciously changed that but also brought in several other anomalies. The Congress Govt again came to our rescue by appointing various Committees and finally the Committee of the Cabinet Secretary to solve our problems. This Committee has made the presentation with regard to their recommendations to the Hon’ble Prime Minister.
4. As per several newspaper reports they claim to have given a modified parity to bridge the gap between the old and new pensioners.
5. Whatever little information we have, it seems that their award is neither parity nor its modified version. As regards the bridging of the gap is concerned they may have bridged the gap to an extent but failed to utilize the formula that was used for bridging the gap between pre and post 1986 pensioners by the High Level Empowered Committee (HLEC) in 1991, of which The Hon’ble Prime Minister and I were members.
6. The people who had always created the problems for us can never do justice to us as arbiters of our needs. It is the leadership that has to take a decision what they want to give and how they want the SAVIOURS of the Nation to be treated and then give directions for executing their decisions.
7. There are the following possibilities that could do justice to the ex-servicemen and on which you have to take a call:-
(a) The leadership wishes to give OROP. In this case you have a ready solution from the report of the GOM appointed by your Govt in 2005. Their report recommended full parity with Fifth CPC rates. On the basis of that report order full parity with Sixth CPC Report.
(b) The leadership wishes to bridge the gap between old and new pensioners. For this we have the formula that was applied in 1991 by the HLEC of which The Hon’ble Prime Minister and I were members. By this formula we will have Rs. 10-46 less than the current pensioners. This would be acceptable provided it becomes pension increase formula for all future increases in pensions.
(c) The leadership wishes to find another acceptable solution. For this the solution is appointment of another HLEC in which we are represented. We can always come out with an acceptable solution.
8. On the first two solutions the papers exist in the MOD. The third one can be found by the HLEC.
9. May we appeal to you to kindly help the ex-servicemen by solving this one single most irksome problem once for all and win the goodwill for yourself and the party for all times to come.
The Hon’ble
Mr. A. K. Antony
Defence Minister
Govt of India
New Delhi
Sincerely
Inderjit Singh
LET'S HEAVE TOGETHER by Lt Gen SK Bahri
From: skbahri1@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:55:42 +0530
Subject: Re: [MilitaryVeterans] Fwd: LET'S HEAVE TOGETHER
Dear RNRK,
If you remember till the early 70s there was one pension for each rank, if one had completed a certain number of years of service. However if someone had done a few years less a certain amt per year was deducted. But not due to the fact that he had not reached the maximum of his rank. Why cannot it be done the same way now? After all the services had an edge in pension entitlement due to service conditions and early retirement. It is since the "Administrators of Public Money" took it upon themselves to apportion a major portion of public money for their ilk that we got shortchanged. I do not see any reason to feel guilty of being greedy, when no one else in this country does.
Services have been too naive to accept things in the "interest of the country". Lets stop it forthwith. Do not be taken in by the explanations of the civil servants. They are neither civil nor they behave like servants. There is a very small minority of them who appreciate our contribution to the countries security. Most see us as competitors who lose out when people compare them with us. Be aware of your worth.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd)
E 403 Som Vihar Apts,
RK Puram
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:55:42 +0530
Subject: Re: [MilitaryVeterans] Fwd: LET'S HEAVE TOGETHER
Dear RNRK,
If you remember till the early 70s there was one pension for each rank, if one had completed a certain number of years of service. However if someone had done a few years less a certain amt per year was deducted. But not due to the fact that he had not reached the maximum of his rank. Why cannot it be done the same way now? After all the services had an edge in pension entitlement due to service conditions and early retirement. It is since the "Administrators of Public Money" took it upon themselves to apportion a major portion of public money for their ilk that we got shortchanged. I do not see any reason to feel guilty of being greedy, when no one else in this country does.
Services have been too naive to accept things in the "interest of the country". Lets stop it forthwith. Do not be taken in by the explanations of the civil servants. They are neither civil nor they behave like servants. There is a very small minority of them who appreciate our contribution to the countries security. Most see us as competitors who lose out when people compare them with us. Be aware of your worth.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd)
E 403 Som Vihar Apts,
RK Puram
A 21 Salute to Raj Chatterjee by Maj Gen Surjit Singh
Dear Friend,
I am an avid reader of 'middles' by Raj Chatterjee, and I had always wondered why he had not published an anthology of his writings in the form of a book. Last week, I saw on the Internet that a collection of his published pieces has been brought out by Penguin under the title, "The Boxwallah and the Middleman" To my surprise, the book was not available in any bookstore here in Chandigarh. Old Thomas came to my rescue, and against his credit card the book was shipped from Bangluru to me within 48 hrs.
What followed was an enchanting six days of reading and re-reading his 550 word stories told in an inimitable manner. The book was un-put-downable. It took me away from the humdrum of pensions and their iniquities/inequities. Suddenly, life seemed less serious. After a long time I read this form of prose. I think the world is the poorer ever since PG Wodehouse went off the scene. No on reads him any more, and old "Jeeves" has passed into the pages of history.
I have, nonetheless, been glancing at all the mails emanating from the veterans on their suggestions to 'rationalize' pensions and thus resolve anomalies. Some of the tables amuse me rather than educating me. I really wonder whether any one of us oldies (me included,of course) can create a table which would satisfy every body. Old Raj Chatterjee would have put it in the following manner:
"I have authentic information to believe that the government has decided to withhold the issue of the revised instructions on pensions until all associations of the ESM have had a fair opportunity to present their case, along with the suggested tables. This is to ensure that no one is denied an opportunity to have his say in the matter. Indeed, the government is indebted to the author of the suggestion that all past pensioners be given a 3% rise every year. This would reduce the immediate burden on the exchequer and also give the pensioners something to look forward to. Indeed, since this is an 'increment' it should be linked with the performance of the veteran during the year. Therefore, every pensioner would be required to prove that he has been a gentleman all through the year. With the 'life certificate' the veterans will be required to produce a certificate from all the members of the family and the neighbours that he has conducted himself in a congenial manner during the year. Of course, the document will need to be certified by an appropriate authority"
I think Mr Raj Chatterjee has a valid point. This mechanism will improve the image of the old soldiers and also keep tempers in check.
My hero took pre-mature retirement from ITC in 1964 and receives no pension. OROP means a lemon to him. He has survived since then on a regular regime of churning out words. And he has not starved!
Cheers!
Maj Gen Surjit Singh
I am an avid reader of 'middles' by Raj Chatterjee, and I had always wondered why he had not published an anthology of his writings in the form of a book. Last week, I saw on the Internet that a collection of his published pieces has been brought out by Penguin under the title, "The Boxwallah and the Middleman" To my surprise, the book was not available in any bookstore here in Chandigarh. Old Thomas came to my rescue, and against his credit card the book was shipped from Bangluru to me within 48 hrs.
What followed was an enchanting six days of reading and re-reading his 550 word stories told in an inimitable manner. The book was un-put-downable. It took me away from the humdrum of pensions and their iniquities/inequities. Suddenly, life seemed less serious. After a long time I read this form of prose. I think the world is the poorer ever since PG Wodehouse went off the scene. No on reads him any more, and old "Jeeves" has passed into the pages of history.
I have, nonetheless, been glancing at all the mails emanating from the veterans on their suggestions to 'rationalize' pensions and thus resolve anomalies. Some of the tables amuse me rather than educating me. I really wonder whether any one of us oldies (me included,of course) can create a table which would satisfy every body. Old Raj Chatterjee would have put it in the following manner:
"I have authentic information to believe that the government has decided to withhold the issue of the revised instructions on pensions until all associations of the ESM have had a fair opportunity to present their case, along with the suggested tables. This is to ensure that no one is denied an opportunity to have his say in the matter. Indeed, the government is indebted to the author of the suggestion that all past pensioners be given a 3% rise every year. This would reduce the immediate burden on the exchequer and also give the pensioners something to look forward to. Indeed, since this is an 'increment' it should be linked with the performance of the veteran during the year. Therefore, every pensioner would be required to prove that he has been a gentleman all through the year. With the 'life certificate' the veterans will be required to produce a certificate from all the members of the family and the neighbours that he has conducted himself in a congenial manner during the year. Of course, the document will need to be certified by an appropriate authority"
I think Mr Raj Chatterjee has a valid point. This mechanism will improve the image of the old soldiers and also keep tempers in check.
My hero took pre-mature retirement from ITC in 1964 and receives no pension. OROP means a lemon to him. He has survived since then on a regular regime of churning out words. And he has not starved!
Cheers!
Maj Gen Surjit Singh
APIP or OROP by Maj Gen RN Radhakrishnan
‘APIP’ or ‘OROP’- Simply Put
by
Major General (Retd) RN Radhakrisnan
1. Definition of OROP "One Rank One Pension" (OROP) was the terminology, presumably, coined by Sri KP Singh Deo, while reviewing the pension policy for the Armed Forces personnel, way back in 1985. OROP existed prior to 1970. A soldier (the word is used to mean all ranks in all the wings of the Armed Forces), in those distant days, was granted pension based only on the rank he held when he retired, provided that he was eligible for pension. More length of service put in by him did not earn him more of pension. Sri Singh Deo suggested, again presumably, that OROP should mean ‘same rank same total length of service same pension’. Since then OROP meant just that, with a different definition to include the service element unlike the pre 1970 vintage. The definition is:
“No two soldiers holding the same rank and same total length of service to their credit shall draw different pensions.”
2. The definition implies that as and when the pay of serving soldiers is revised the effect of such revision on the pension per force is applicable to the existing pensioners at the time of pay revision. In other words the pay of the ex-servicemen (ESM) also is revised, of course notionally, for the purpose of revising the pension and the pension accordingly revised. Thus parity between two soldiers is absolutely established (APIP). The spirit of OROP / APIP is the recognition of the special status of a soldier and not the increase in pension.
3. Fixing the Pay in the Revised Scale. Bound by the mandate that ‘pensioners of the same rank with same total length of service must draw the same pension’, the pension has to be related to the prevalent revised pay. Therefore, the fixing of pay, in the revised scale of pay (RSP), has to be judiciously done.
4. Initial Fixation of pay. It is absolutely necessary, at this juncture, to accept the special status of a soldier due to his and his family’s sacrifices and, the hardships he has to undergo while serving and on forced early retirement. Having accepted the special status of the soldier, the initial fixation of pay for a soldier must, more appropriately and judiciously, be done as described below:
· First step – Take the bottom of the equivalent RSP as basis for fixing pay.
· Second step – Build up his pay granting annual increments, equal to the number of increments he had drawn in the existing scale of pay (ESP) for each year of his service, taking into account the financial upgrade due to the concept of assured Career Progression (ACP) / time scale promotion.
· Third step – Thus, arrive at the correct pay commensurate to the total number of years of service to the soldier’s credit.
This may sound complicated. But for an accountant, it is a simple matter of drawing two tables one for the commissioned officers and one for the others, in a time frame of a few hours. I have already drawn these tables and attached as Appendix ‘A’.
5. On the contrary, the initial pay fixation as on 01-01-2008 in terms of SAI 1&2/S/2008) has been complicated due to the application of arbitrary formulae without any rationale. In the bargain, the SAI has led to bunching up two levels in the ESP by granting one increment in the RSP, for most of the soldiers in the various ranks. In other words, one who earned more number of increments and hence higher pay is now drawing the same pay as that of a soldier one year junior to him. As expected, the whole serving soldiers’ community has mutely accepted this injustice.
6. Revision of Pension To make things worse, the revision of pension was devised ignoring the rationale mentioned above adopting more complicated and arbitrary formulae independent of the revised pay to which the ESM is rightly eligible, notionally of course. Thus anomaly rose in violation of ‘OROP’ or ‘APIP’. See Appendix ‘B’ for illustration.
7. The Correct Method. If the notional pay for an ESM is correctly fixed as described in para 4 above, the correct pension is easily and in a fair manner calculated for the ESM. As the notional pay in the revised scale, commensurate to his rank and the total length of service is known, his correct pension is easily and in a fair manner calculated for the ESM. The pension as shown in the tables at Appendix ‘A’ is worked out as a proportion (70% in the case of ranks from sepoy to Havildar, 60% for JCOs and 50% in others’ case) of the total of the pay so determined, the Grade pay, the Military Service Pay and Group pay where applicable.
8. Conclusion OROP or APIP can be assured, only by opting for the fair and just method as described in para 7. While addressing the issue of OROP, it is essential to consider the possibility of
· treating the retired soldiers other than the Commissioned officer as of one group namely X Group, so that an ESM of the same rank with same length of service gains equality in the retired life by earning same pension,
· granting pension at pro-rata basis for those who have served for a few years (say a minimum of five years) as a token of recognition of the noble service they rendered in protecting the nation, so that they have a sense of pride attached to them.
· Granting pension at 60% to Junior Commissioned Officers who are also retired quite early in their life.
· Granting any other awards and special components of the pension (like the disability pension) as a proportion or a multiple of the basic pension.
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Appendix A
PAY AND PENSION TABLES
(All tables are to be treated as model and the actual figures need to be reworked)
P-Part Pension F-Full Pension M-Maximum Pension
Pension for Sepoy to Sub Major based on completed years of service
Table 1A – X Group
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Years Band Pay Gr Pay MSP X Gp pay Total Note 1
1 6840 2000 2000 1400 12240 N/A
2 7150 2000 2000 1400 12550 N/A
3 7470 2000 2000 1400 12870 N/A
4 7800 2000 2000 1400 13200 N/A
5 8140 2000 2000 1400 13540 P-3510
6 8490 2000 2000 1400 13890 P-4680
7 8850 2000 2000 1400 14250 P-5840
8N 9220 2400 2000 1400 15020 P-7010
9 9620 2400 2000 1400 15420 P-8180
10 10030 2400 2000 1400 15830 P-9350
11 10450 2400 2000 1400 16250 P-10520
12* 10880 2400 2000 1400 16680 F-11680*
13 11330 2400 2000 1400 17130 F-12000
14 11790 2400 2000 1400 17590 F-12320
15 12260 2400 2000 1400 18060 F-12650
16H 12750 2800 2000 1400 18950 F-13280
17 13260 2800 2000 1400 19460 F-13630
18 13790 2800 2000 1400 19990 F-14000
19 14330 2800 2000 1400 20530 F-14380
20 14890 2800 2000 1400 21090 F-14770
21 15470 2800 2000 1400 21670 F-15180
22 16070 2800 2000 1400 22270 F-15600
23 16680 2800 2000 1400 22880 F-16020
24NS* 17330 4200 2000 1400 24930 M-25440
25 18000 4200 2000 1400 25600 M-25440
26 18710 4200 2000 1400 26310 M-25440
27 19440 4200 2000 1400 27040 M-25440
28 20200 4200 2000 1400 27800 M-25440
29S 20200 4600 2000 1400 27800 M-25680
30 20200 4600 2000 1400 27800 M-25680
31SM 20200 4800 2000 1400 27800 M-25800
32 20200 4800 2000 1400 27800 M-25800
Notes
1. The pension is calculated @70% for Sepoy to Havildar (PB1) and 60% for JCOs (PB2).
2. The minimum pay of Rs 6840 for sepoy and the grade pay and MSP 2000 have been taken from SAI 1/S/2008 Appendix F and the table built up on that basic value of 6840
3. The table above is based on TS promotion to Naik, Havaldar and Nb Subedar after 8, 16 and 24 years respectively.
4. Existing Havildar on completion of his term of engagement must be treated as having qualifying Service of 24 years and given the benefit of Maximum Pension
5. Nb Subedar (TS) retires after 4 years of service.
6. Keeping in consonance with the principle that the pay and pension to a soldier is homage paid by the nation and that parity in retired life is more valuable, it is recommended that the pension for SPOTCO be determined as per the X Group.
7. It is recommended that maximum pension (M) at the maximum of the pay band be permitted on completion of 24 years of service, full pension (F) at 70% / 60% at the pay drawn be permitted on completion of 12 years.
8. Part pension (P) starts on completion of five years of SQP @30% full pension entitled on completion of 12 years and for every additional year of service 10% increase is permitted. Thus on completion of 12 years one gets full pension
Table 1B – Naib Subedars Yet to be prpared
Table 1C – Subedars Yet to be prpared
Table 1D – Sub Major Yet to be prpared
Table 2A- Lieutenant to Colonel (TS)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Rank QYS Band Pay Grade Pay MSP Total Pension
Lt 1 15600 5400 6000 27000 NA
2 16230 5400 6000 27630 NA
Capt
3
16880
6100
6000
28980
NA
4
17570
6100
6000
29670
NA
5
18280
6100
6000
30380
P-7530
6
19020
6100
6000
31120
P-9040
Major
7
19780
6600
6000
32380
P-10550
8
20580
6600
6000
33180
P-12050
9
21400
6600
6000
34000
P-13560
10
22240
6600
6000
34840
P-15060
11
23110
6600
6000
35710
P-15570
12
24010
6600
6000
36610
P-18080
13
24930
6600
6000
37530
P-19580
Lt Col
14
37400
8000
6000
51400
P-21090
15
38770
8000
6000
52770
P-22590
16
40180
8000
6000
54180
P-24100
17
41630
8000
6000
55630
P-25610
18
43120
8000
6000
57120
P-27010
19
44660
8000
6000
58660
P-28610
20
46240
8000
6000
60240
F-30120
21
47870
8000
6000
61870
F-30935
22
49550
8000
6000
63550
F-31775
23
51280
8000
6000
65280
F-32640
24
53060
8000
6000
67060
F-33530
25
54900
8000
6000
68900
F-34450
26
56790
8000
6000
70790
F-35395
Col(TS)
27
58740
8700
6000
73440
F-36720
28
60770
8700
6000
75470
F-37735
29
62860
8700
6000
77560
F-38780
30
65010
8700
6000
79710
F-39855
31
67000
8700
6000
81700
M-40850
Note
1 From 6th year till 19 years one is eligible for the part pension (P). The full pension is reduced prorate of the service divided by 20 years. as shown under column 7. This amounts to 5% reduction in the full pension for every one year of shortfall.
2 On completion of twenty years the officer is entitled to full pension (F).
3 Part pension for Major and Captains is based on the full pension applicable to Lt Colonel taking into account the Grade pay of 8000, because it is meant to compensate the ESP, who were deprived of the present liberal promotion policy and hence had to retire earlier.
4 Maximum pension (M) is at the top of PB once TOE/ 30 years of service
5 If the decision to ensure promotion to the rank of Colonel on completion of 15 years is made applicable this, table needs to be revised.
Table 2B Colonel (Selection Grade)
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
@50%
24
53060
8700
6000
67760
F-33880
25
54920
8700
6000
69620
F-34810
26
56830
8700
6000
71530
F-35765
27
58800
8700
6000
73500
F-36750
28
60830
8700
6000
75530
F-37765
29
62920
8700
6000
77620
F-38810
30
65070
8700
6000
79770
F-39885
31
67000
8700
6000
81700
M-40850
Tale 2C Brigadier
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
26
56830
8900
6000
71730
F-35865
27
58810
8900
6000
73710
F-36855
28
60850
8900
6000
75750
F-37875
29
62950
8900
6000
77850
F-38925
30
65110
8900
6000
80010
F-40005
31
67000
8900
6000
81900
M-40950
Table 2D Major General
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
28
60850
10000
6000
76850
F-38425
29
62980
10000
6000
78980
F-39490
30
65170
10000
6000
81170
F-40580
31
67000
10000
6000
83000
M-41500
Table 2E Lt General
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
28
62980
12000
6000
80980
F-40490
29
65230
12000
6000
83230
F-41120
30
67000
12000
6000
85000
M-42500
Note: In the case of Major General and Lt Generals denying the MSP is irrational and leads to anomaly in pay and pension. We have included the MSP and worked out the pension entitlement.
Pension of Vice Chiefs and Commanders. 40000 + 3000 (due to MSP)
Table 3 - Pension on Retiring after Completion of Term of Engagement subject to completion of 30 years in the case of Commissioned Officers and 24 years for others.
Rank
Pension Arithmetic
Pension
Havildar (ESP)
(20200+2800+2000+1400) * 70%
M-18480
Naib Subedar
(34800+4200+2000+1400) * 60%
M-25440
Subedar
(34800+4600+2000+1400) * 60%
M-25560
Sub Major
(34800+4800+2000+1400) * 60%
M-25680
Major (ESP)
(39100+6600+6000) * 55%
M-28440
Lt Colonel (ESP)
(67000+8000+6000) * 50%
M-40450
Colonel (TS)
(67000+8700+6000) * 50%
M-40850
Colonel (Selection Grade)
(67000+8700+6000) * 50%
M-40850
Brigadier
(67000+8900+6000) * 50%
M-40950
Major General
(67000+10000+6000) * 50%
M-41500
Lt General
(67000+12000+6000) * 50%
M-42500
Vice Chief & Equivalent
(80000+6000) * 50%
M-43000
The Chiefs
90000 * 50%
M-45000
Note :
1. In future no commissioned officer retires below the rank of Colonel. However, this table provides for the Majors and Lt Colonels of Existing Service Pensioners. If they had retired on completion of the term of engagement the shortfall for the qualifying service of 30 years for maximum pension may notionally added.
2. In the case of Major being applicable only to ESM community and placed in PB3 the pension is calculated @55%
3. In the cases of Major Generals and above Rs6000, the MSP component has been notionally added to the maximum of the pay band failing which an anomaly arises.
The case of SL Commissioned officers
And
Officers passing out of the Army Cadet College
The case of SL Commissioned officers and Officers passing out of the A C College has to be separately dealt, taking into account the combined service in the various ranks the officer was holding before being commissioned. One point however worth mentioning now is that the Service Qualifying for Pension (SQP) can be counted by adding to the years of service as commissioned officer with 40% years of qualifying service in the other ranks. The SQP so arrived can be used for determining the eligibility for part, full, and maximum pension.
(PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE TABLES HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT FROM MEAGRE UNAUTHENTICATED DATA AVAILABLE AND ARE MEANT TO SHOW THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PENSION REVISION SUGGESED IN THIS PAPER.)
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
All these tables have been initially worked out by AVM RP Mishra. Subsequently the author built upon the basic structure of the tables to cater for the implementation of the concept of “Part Pension”, “Full pension” and “Maximum Pension”.
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Appendix ‘B’
Anomaly
Case of a Sepoy of ‘Y’ Group
This shall lead to anomaly in fixing pension in contradiction to the concept of OROP. Let us illustrate the case of a Sepoy, belonging to ‘Y’ Group. Pay fixation is in terms of SAI 1/S/2008. ACP benefit of GP of Naik on completion of 8 years, Havildar 16 years and Nb Sub 24 years has been considered. Annual increment @ 3% on Scaled Pay plus Grade pay is permitted wef 01-01-06. Pension is worked out @70%.
Case 1 Emoluments (Scaled Pay + Grade Pay + Military Service Pay) and pension of Sepoy enrolled post 01-01-2006
· In the first year in the RSP 6250+2000+2000 as Sepoy 10250
· On completing 16 years if notionally promoted as Havildar (ACP 2nd promotion)
o Emoluments 11450+2800+2000 16250
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 11380
· On completing 24 years if notionally promoted as Nb Sub (ACP 3rd promotion)
o Emoluments 15340+4200+2000 21540
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 15080
Case 2 Comparing with a Sepoy of the same group, retiring with 16 years of service during the year 2006
· Without the benefit of notional ACP promotions
o Emoluments 8650+2000+2000 12650
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 8860
· With the benefit of notional ACP promotion up to Havildar if made applicable
o Emoluments 10000+2800+2000 14800
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 10360
Case 3 In the case of a Sepoy who is a pensioner as on 31-12-2005 having retired on completion of 16 years of service, the scale post 01-01-1996 was 3250-70-4300. Hence in the 16th year he is entitled for 4300 as basic pay. A Sepoy retiring in the year 2005 has to have 6 years of service in pre 1996 scale of pay. Hence it appears that his basic pay was fixed wef from 1996 such that he could reach only maximum of 3448 (not 4300) and his pension @50% was 1724.
· The result. His pension post 2006 is fixed as (1724*2.26) = 3897
Whereas had he been given the benefit of notional pay commensurate to his 16 years of service as 4300, his pension would have been at least (4300*1.13) = 4859
“Now study the various figures shown as pensions and compare the reality of 3897 to the possibility of 15080. Draw your own conclusion if the pay revision, its implementation and the consequent application for the revision of pension have any semblance of fairness and justice towards the ESM community.”
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THE END
by
Major General (Retd) RN Radhakrisnan
1. Definition of OROP "One Rank One Pension" (OROP) was the terminology, presumably, coined by Sri KP Singh Deo, while reviewing the pension policy for the Armed Forces personnel, way back in 1985. OROP existed prior to 1970. A soldier (the word is used to mean all ranks in all the wings of the Armed Forces), in those distant days, was granted pension based only on the rank he held when he retired, provided that he was eligible for pension. More length of service put in by him did not earn him more of pension. Sri Singh Deo suggested, again presumably, that OROP should mean ‘same rank same total length of service same pension’. Since then OROP meant just that, with a different definition to include the service element unlike the pre 1970 vintage. The definition is:
“No two soldiers holding the same rank and same total length of service to their credit shall draw different pensions.”
2. The definition implies that as and when the pay of serving soldiers is revised the effect of such revision on the pension per force is applicable to the existing pensioners at the time of pay revision. In other words the pay of the ex-servicemen (ESM) also is revised, of course notionally, for the purpose of revising the pension and the pension accordingly revised. Thus parity between two soldiers is absolutely established (APIP). The spirit of OROP / APIP is the recognition of the special status of a soldier and not the increase in pension.
3. Fixing the Pay in the Revised Scale. Bound by the mandate that ‘pensioners of the same rank with same total length of service must draw the same pension’, the pension has to be related to the prevalent revised pay. Therefore, the fixing of pay, in the revised scale of pay (RSP), has to be judiciously done.
4. Initial Fixation of pay. It is absolutely necessary, at this juncture, to accept the special status of a soldier due to his and his family’s sacrifices and, the hardships he has to undergo while serving and on forced early retirement. Having accepted the special status of the soldier, the initial fixation of pay for a soldier must, more appropriately and judiciously, be done as described below:
· First step – Take the bottom of the equivalent RSP as basis for fixing pay.
· Second step – Build up his pay granting annual increments, equal to the number of increments he had drawn in the existing scale of pay (ESP) for each year of his service, taking into account the financial upgrade due to the concept of assured Career Progression (ACP) / time scale promotion.
· Third step – Thus, arrive at the correct pay commensurate to the total number of years of service to the soldier’s credit.
This may sound complicated. But for an accountant, it is a simple matter of drawing two tables one for the commissioned officers and one for the others, in a time frame of a few hours. I have already drawn these tables and attached as Appendix ‘A’.
5. On the contrary, the initial pay fixation as on 01-01-2008 in terms of SAI 1&2/S/2008) has been complicated due to the application of arbitrary formulae without any rationale. In the bargain, the SAI has led to bunching up two levels in the ESP by granting one increment in the RSP, for most of the soldiers in the various ranks. In other words, one who earned more number of increments and hence higher pay is now drawing the same pay as that of a soldier one year junior to him. As expected, the whole serving soldiers’ community has mutely accepted this injustice.
6. Revision of Pension To make things worse, the revision of pension was devised ignoring the rationale mentioned above adopting more complicated and arbitrary formulae independent of the revised pay to which the ESM is rightly eligible, notionally of course. Thus anomaly rose in violation of ‘OROP’ or ‘APIP’. See Appendix ‘B’ for illustration.
7. The Correct Method. If the notional pay for an ESM is correctly fixed as described in para 4 above, the correct pension is easily and in a fair manner calculated for the ESM. As the notional pay in the revised scale, commensurate to his rank and the total length of service is known, his correct pension is easily and in a fair manner calculated for the ESM. The pension as shown in the tables at Appendix ‘A’ is worked out as a proportion (70% in the case of ranks from sepoy to Havildar, 60% for JCOs and 50% in others’ case) of the total of the pay so determined, the Grade pay, the Military Service Pay and Group pay where applicable.
8. Conclusion OROP or APIP can be assured, only by opting for the fair and just method as described in para 7. While addressing the issue of OROP, it is essential to consider the possibility of
· treating the retired soldiers other than the Commissioned officer as of one group namely X Group, so that an ESM of the same rank with same length of service gains equality in the retired life by earning same pension,
· granting pension at pro-rata basis for those who have served for a few years (say a minimum of five years) as a token of recognition of the noble service they rendered in protecting the nation, so that they have a sense of pride attached to them.
· Granting pension at 60% to Junior Commissioned Officers who are also retired quite early in their life.
· Granting any other awards and special components of the pension (like the disability pension) as a proportion or a multiple of the basic pension.
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Appendix A
PAY AND PENSION TABLES
(All tables are to be treated as model and the actual figures need to be reworked)
P-Part Pension F-Full Pension M-Maximum Pension
Pension for Sepoy to Sub Major based on completed years of service
Table 1A – X Group
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Years Band Pay Gr Pay MSP X Gp pay Total Note 1
1 6840 2000 2000 1400 12240 N/A
2 7150 2000 2000 1400 12550 N/A
3 7470 2000 2000 1400 12870 N/A
4 7800 2000 2000 1400 13200 N/A
5 8140 2000 2000 1400 13540 P-3510
6 8490 2000 2000 1400 13890 P-4680
7 8850 2000 2000 1400 14250 P-5840
8N 9220 2400 2000 1400 15020 P-7010
9 9620 2400 2000 1400 15420 P-8180
10 10030 2400 2000 1400 15830 P-9350
11 10450 2400 2000 1400 16250 P-10520
12* 10880 2400 2000 1400 16680 F-11680*
13 11330 2400 2000 1400 17130 F-12000
14 11790 2400 2000 1400 17590 F-12320
15 12260 2400 2000 1400 18060 F-12650
16H 12750 2800 2000 1400 18950 F-13280
17 13260 2800 2000 1400 19460 F-13630
18 13790 2800 2000 1400 19990 F-14000
19 14330 2800 2000 1400 20530 F-14380
20 14890 2800 2000 1400 21090 F-14770
21 15470 2800 2000 1400 21670 F-15180
22 16070 2800 2000 1400 22270 F-15600
23 16680 2800 2000 1400 22880 F-16020
24NS* 17330 4200 2000 1400 24930 M-25440
25 18000 4200 2000 1400 25600 M-25440
26 18710 4200 2000 1400 26310 M-25440
27 19440 4200 2000 1400 27040 M-25440
28 20200 4200 2000 1400 27800 M-25440
29S 20200 4600 2000 1400 27800 M-25680
30 20200 4600 2000 1400 27800 M-25680
31SM 20200 4800 2000 1400 27800 M-25800
32 20200 4800 2000 1400 27800 M-25800
Notes
1. The pension is calculated @70% for Sepoy to Havildar (PB1) and 60% for JCOs (PB2).
2. The minimum pay of Rs 6840 for sepoy and the grade pay and MSP 2000 have been taken from SAI 1/S/2008 Appendix F and the table built up on that basic value of 6840
3. The table above is based on TS promotion to Naik, Havaldar and Nb Subedar after 8, 16 and 24 years respectively.
4. Existing Havildar on completion of his term of engagement must be treated as having qualifying Service of 24 years and given the benefit of Maximum Pension
5. Nb Subedar (TS) retires after 4 years of service.
6. Keeping in consonance with the principle that the pay and pension to a soldier is homage paid by the nation and that parity in retired life is more valuable, it is recommended that the pension for SPOTCO be determined as per the X Group.
7. It is recommended that maximum pension (M) at the maximum of the pay band be permitted on completion of 24 years of service, full pension (F) at 70% / 60% at the pay drawn be permitted on completion of 12 years.
8. Part pension (P) starts on completion of five years of SQP @30% full pension entitled on completion of 12 years and for every additional year of service 10% increase is permitted. Thus on completion of 12 years one gets full pension
Table 1B – Naib Subedars Yet to be prpared
Table 1C – Subedars Yet to be prpared
Table 1D – Sub Major Yet to be prpared
Table 2A- Lieutenant to Colonel (TS)
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Rank QYS Band Pay Grade Pay MSP Total Pension
Lt 1 15600 5400 6000 27000 NA
2 16230 5400 6000 27630 NA
Capt
3
16880
6100
6000
28980
NA
4
17570
6100
6000
29670
NA
5
18280
6100
6000
30380
P-7530
6
19020
6100
6000
31120
P-9040
Major
7
19780
6600
6000
32380
P-10550
8
20580
6600
6000
33180
P-12050
9
21400
6600
6000
34000
P-13560
10
22240
6600
6000
34840
P-15060
11
23110
6600
6000
35710
P-15570
12
24010
6600
6000
36610
P-18080
13
24930
6600
6000
37530
P-19580
Lt Col
14
37400
8000
6000
51400
P-21090
15
38770
8000
6000
52770
P-22590
16
40180
8000
6000
54180
P-24100
17
41630
8000
6000
55630
P-25610
18
43120
8000
6000
57120
P-27010
19
44660
8000
6000
58660
P-28610
20
46240
8000
6000
60240
F-30120
21
47870
8000
6000
61870
F-30935
22
49550
8000
6000
63550
F-31775
23
51280
8000
6000
65280
F-32640
24
53060
8000
6000
67060
F-33530
25
54900
8000
6000
68900
F-34450
26
56790
8000
6000
70790
F-35395
Col(TS)
27
58740
8700
6000
73440
F-36720
28
60770
8700
6000
75470
F-37735
29
62860
8700
6000
77560
F-38780
30
65010
8700
6000
79710
F-39855
31
67000
8700
6000
81700
M-40850
Note
1 From 6th year till 19 years one is eligible for the part pension (P). The full pension is reduced prorate of the service divided by 20 years. as shown under column 7. This amounts to 5% reduction in the full pension for every one year of shortfall.
2 On completion of twenty years the officer is entitled to full pension (F).
3 Part pension for Major and Captains is based on the full pension applicable to Lt Colonel taking into account the Grade pay of 8000, because it is meant to compensate the ESP, who were deprived of the present liberal promotion policy and hence had to retire earlier.
4 Maximum pension (M) is at the top of PB once TOE/ 30 years of service
5 If the decision to ensure promotion to the rank of Colonel on completion of 15 years is made applicable this, table needs to be revised.
Table 2B Colonel (Selection Grade)
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
@50%
24
53060
8700
6000
67760
F-33880
25
54920
8700
6000
69620
F-34810
26
56830
8700
6000
71530
F-35765
27
58800
8700
6000
73500
F-36750
28
60830
8700
6000
75530
F-37765
29
62920
8700
6000
77620
F-38810
30
65070
8700
6000
79770
F-39885
31
67000
8700
6000
81700
M-40850
Tale 2C Brigadier
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
26
56830
8900
6000
71730
F-35865
27
58810
8900
6000
73710
F-36855
28
60850
8900
6000
75750
F-37875
29
62950
8900
6000
77850
F-38925
30
65110
8900
6000
80010
F-40005
31
67000
8900
6000
81900
M-40950
Table 2D Major General
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
28
60850
10000
6000
76850
F-38425
29
62980
10000
6000
78980
F-39490
30
65170
10000
6000
81170
F-40580
31
67000
10000
6000
83000
M-41500
Table 2E Lt General
1
2
3
4
5
6
Years of Service
Band Pay
Grade Pay
MSP
Total
Pension
28
62980
12000
6000
80980
F-40490
29
65230
12000
6000
83230
F-41120
30
67000
12000
6000
85000
M-42500
Note: In the case of Major General and Lt Generals denying the MSP is irrational and leads to anomaly in pay and pension. We have included the MSP and worked out the pension entitlement.
Pension of Vice Chiefs and Commanders. 40000 + 3000 (due to MSP)
Table 3 - Pension on Retiring after Completion of Term of Engagement subject to completion of 30 years in the case of Commissioned Officers and 24 years for others.
Rank
Pension Arithmetic
Pension
Havildar (ESP)
(20200+2800+2000+1400) * 70%
M-18480
Naib Subedar
(34800+4200+2000+1400) * 60%
M-25440
Subedar
(34800+4600+2000+1400) * 60%
M-25560
Sub Major
(34800+4800+2000+1400) * 60%
M-25680
Major (ESP)
(39100+6600+6000) * 55%
M-28440
Lt Colonel (ESP)
(67000+8000+6000) * 50%
M-40450
Colonel (TS)
(67000+8700+6000) * 50%
M-40850
Colonel (Selection Grade)
(67000+8700+6000) * 50%
M-40850
Brigadier
(67000+8900+6000) * 50%
M-40950
Major General
(67000+10000+6000) * 50%
M-41500
Lt General
(67000+12000+6000) * 50%
M-42500
Vice Chief & Equivalent
(80000+6000) * 50%
M-43000
The Chiefs
90000 * 50%
M-45000
Note :
1. In future no commissioned officer retires below the rank of Colonel. However, this table provides for the Majors and Lt Colonels of Existing Service Pensioners. If they had retired on completion of the term of engagement the shortfall for the qualifying service of 30 years for maximum pension may notionally added.
2. In the case of Major being applicable only to ESM community and placed in PB3 the pension is calculated @55%
3. In the cases of Major Generals and above Rs6000, the MSP component has been notionally added to the maximum of the pay band failing which an anomaly arises.
The case of SL Commissioned officers
And
Officers passing out of the Army Cadet College
The case of SL Commissioned officers and Officers passing out of the A C College has to be separately dealt, taking into account the combined service in the various ranks the officer was holding before being commissioned. One point however worth mentioning now is that the Service Qualifying for Pension (SQP) can be counted by adding to the years of service as commissioned officer with 40% years of qualifying service in the other ranks. The SQP so arrived can be used for determining the eligibility for part, full, and maximum pension.
(PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE TABLES HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT FROM MEAGRE UNAUTHENTICATED DATA AVAILABLE AND ARE MEANT TO SHOW THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PENSION REVISION SUGGESED IN THIS PAPER.)
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
All these tables have been initially worked out by AVM RP Mishra. Subsequently the author built upon the basic structure of the tables to cater for the implementation of the concept of “Part Pension”, “Full pension” and “Maximum Pension”.
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Appendix ‘B’
Anomaly
Case of a Sepoy of ‘Y’ Group
This shall lead to anomaly in fixing pension in contradiction to the concept of OROP. Let us illustrate the case of a Sepoy, belonging to ‘Y’ Group. Pay fixation is in terms of SAI 1/S/2008. ACP benefit of GP of Naik on completion of 8 years, Havildar 16 years and Nb Sub 24 years has been considered. Annual increment @ 3% on Scaled Pay plus Grade pay is permitted wef 01-01-06. Pension is worked out @70%.
Case 1 Emoluments (Scaled Pay + Grade Pay + Military Service Pay) and pension of Sepoy enrolled post 01-01-2006
· In the first year in the RSP 6250+2000+2000 as Sepoy 10250
· On completing 16 years if notionally promoted as Havildar (ACP 2nd promotion)
o Emoluments 11450+2800+2000 16250
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 11380
· On completing 24 years if notionally promoted as Nb Sub (ACP 3rd promotion)
o Emoluments 15340+4200+2000 21540
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 15080
Case 2 Comparing with a Sepoy of the same group, retiring with 16 years of service during the year 2006
· Without the benefit of notional ACP promotions
o Emoluments 8650+2000+2000 12650
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 8860
· With the benefit of notional ACP promotion up to Havildar if made applicable
o Emoluments 10000+2800+2000 14800
o Pension @ 70% (rounded to near 10) 10360
Case 3 In the case of a Sepoy who is a pensioner as on 31-12-2005 having retired on completion of 16 years of service, the scale post 01-01-1996 was 3250-70-4300. Hence in the 16th year he is entitled for 4300 as basic pay. A Sepoy retiring in the year 2005 has to have 6 years of service in pre 1996 scale of pay. Hence it appears that his basic pay was fixed wef from 1996 such that he could reach only maximum of 3448 (not 4300) and his pension @50% was 1724.
· The result. His pension post 2006 is fixed as (1724*2.26) = 3897
Whereas had he been given the benefit of notional pay commensurate to his 16 years of service as 4300, his pension would have been at least (4300*1.13) = 4859
“Now study the various figures shown as pensions and compare the reality of 3897 to the possibility of 15080. Draw your own conclusion if the pay revision, its implementation and the consequent application for the revision of pension have any semblance of fairness and justice towards the ESM community.”
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THE END
Thursday, July 2, 2009
Views by Col Siddhartha Bose ..
From: Siddhartha Bose siddharthabose51@yahoo.com
Subject: Chinta or Chintan
To: "Brig CS Kamboj", "LT Gen Raj Kadyan" , "Maj Gen Satbirsingh" , "Maj Gen Renjen"
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 11:33 AM
Dear Veterans,
We are all set to organise " KARGIL DIWAS " on Jul 26. I, as the State Convener of Chhattisgarh, am trying to play my role in consolidating the ESM strength and motivating the youth to join the Armed Forces. Once upon a time, young men used to look upon the Services with awe and admiration. All that is lost. National Defence Academy, Officers’ Training Academy & Indian Military Academy were premier institutions. Bollywood beauties used to hunt for Armed Forces Officers to accompany them on the dance floor. That was the charisma and magnetism, an officer had. Now situation has changed because we have not changed with the time and system. Our rugged and rigid ideas have made us incompetent. Worst is that our brethren openly acknowledge it. Life in the Armed Forces in late 70s had changed drastically and cut throat competition was introduced. As a result, we had become experts in cutting our own feet.
Post Kargil ( courtesy due to e-media ) battle field glamour journalism came into existence. It was so pronounced that a series of films were produced but none was like “HAQEEKAT”. There were number of so-called patriotic songs but none could match “ Aye Mere Vatan Ke Logo ”.
Now, the country feels that KARGIL DIWAS is an important day to commemorate. We as a Nation, have fought many battles and wars. Unfortunately, in the Army, some Battalions and Regiments celebrate “Battle Honour Days” of British era. I remember, a battalion pompously displayed “ Sword of Rani of Jhansi ” as a captured weapon and felt proud. Even after a lot of persuasion the Battalion resented to restore the HONOUR & GLORY it deserved. I was in the Ceremonial Directorate in the Army HQ and could pursue the case to the extent that a MoD direction was issued. I feel that a Commemorative calendar should be drawn for the citizen of this Nation and the Services, as well as, ESM organization should ensure that these days are adequately publicized and observed. Many of us, may be unknowingly, mention CELEBRATION of these days. We should use this term for ARMY DAY, NAVY DAY & AIR FORCE DAY. Other days are to be venerated. Lets us honour our BRAVE.
Public participation is a must and we should rope in associations like Rotary, Lions, JCI, etc at the National level. Captains of Corporate Sector can be invited to fund activities.
I am also upset on the matter that we were so engrossed in OROP & Kargil Diwas, that we forgot to pay homage to Field Marshall Sam Bahadur ( as was affectionately known ) on his first death anniversary. We all know that he was not accorded a proper final farewell wherein neither the RM nor the Chiefs attended the cremation. After public outcry, a hurriedly organized Obituary function was held in INDIA GATE. Even the Companies of which he was on the Board of Governors have paid any homage to The Legend. The only function was at 58 GTC where his bust was installed. IESM may think of starting Manekshaw Scholarships for Meritorious students of PBOR or a Trophy/ Award for Outstanding personalities in various fields. This would be a true homage.
OROP.
Formulae are being drawn and speculations are rife. As of now, I have heard nothing as Government Decision on OROP, which was to be declared on 30 jun. Whether it is President of India or the PM, they will have excuses to delay this, just like Liberhan Committee which has been submitted its report after 17 years and expenditure of crores to national exchequer. Many incorrect information are also being circulated and many veterans are in a state of confusion. It is giving an impression that some ubiquitous senior –ranking veterans are playing a game for personal gain. Recently, names of Senior Officers were drawn for the Armed Forces Tribunal. The remuneration was also mentioned against. It was appalling to note that the Officers accepted to that figure. It would have been rather magnanimous and worthy for the Officers to render their duty honorarily.
ESM Organisations
As of now, a retired soldier, sailor or airman does not have the faintest idea about ESM set-up. We speak of one umbrella. That’s a far – fetched idea. Solidarity amongst organization can only come if we have a common platform. So, there is a need to influence the MoD to start a Veterans’ Forum where representatives of all ESM bodies( registered or not ) can collectively meet on a fixed date and thrash out differences. We have many local ESM bodies and many semi-ESM organizations which are working for welfare of ESM. They should also be heard. Gen Khanduri, had to quit the post of CM and a senior Veteran lost the election in a state which is predominantly ESM heavy. What a shame ! It is all because ESM bodies are divided.
I vehemently and passionately feel that IESM should not seek support of any ESM organizations but form a sturdy team of veterans to march ahead on their own. In times to come, other ESM organization will surely lend support if our mission is on the right path. Veterans are free to join any or as many organizations until we declare that we are a political party. If we fail to come up to the standards and aspirations of Veterans, then we must be ready to pay for it.
DGR and Kendriya Sainik Board
This set-up is not only defunct but utterly corrupt. Every ESM openly acknowledges it. I think IESM as an Organization should take up this issue with MoD that the DGR itself should be staffed by ESM. This organization should provide the first relief and occupation. ESM who have retired after superannuation or Medically boarded out ( militarily attributable ) for 2 years or more and are below 58 years of age for Jt Directors and below and below 62 for Directors and above may be appointed on 5 Years contractual basis.
The State Boards should be also on similar lines. MoD should be compelled to accommodate ESM into parallel Government / semi – govt set-up. Bi-annually or as suitable, “Placement Mela” should be held in every zone under Command HQs. Similarly, Regimental Centres should also organize Campus Placements. For this, they may also employ ESMs to set-up Vocational Training & Placement Cell. In this manner, both will be benefitted – a win win situation. Government will save a lot in Pension budget and ESM will be doing constructive job. As of now, DGR is making Faltu Chowkidars out of trained and disciplined force. DGR should only place ESMs in Central / State Government run Security Agency or directly on the Pay roll of PSUs and Large corporate.
The other day, I read about Smt Thota Venkattasubbama, 88 yrs old from Guntur ( AP ) who became widow with a small child of a soldier who died in WW II, when she was 24, has received pension after 64 Yrs. Similarly, Smt Prammela of Medak ( widow of L / Nk who died in 71 )received her pension after 39 yrs. I suggest that DPLC be also manned by ESM with adequate staff to tour various corners of the Country.
I request that Senior Veterans to do some brain storming on the above issues. This is no time for Chinta ( worry ) but Chintan ( introspection ).
Lastly, an anecdote …….but quite true
*An elderly couple was watching TV when a TV evangelist came on air to pray for the sick.
The evangelist said.. "For those of you who are sick, I want to pray with you so that you can be cured of your sickness. Place your right hand on the part of your body that is suffering from disorder, and raise your left hand."
The husband placed his right hand on his privates, raised his left hand, and closed his eyes.
His wife saw what he did, and slowly whispered, "Honey, this prayer is to heal the sick, not to raise the dead!"
Jai Hind
Col Siddhartha Bose
D-85, Nar Vihar -1 C- 2 Tagore Nagar
Sector -34 Raipur
NOIDA (UP) CG
201307 492001
Tele : 0120 -2507208 0771 - 4263030
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Subject: Chinta or Chintan
To: "Brig CS Kamboj"
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 11:33 AM
Dear Veterans,
We are all set to organise " KARGIL DIWAS " on Jul 26. I, as the State Convener of Chhattisgarh, am trying to play my role in consolidating the ESM strength and motivating the youth to join the Armed Forces. Once upon a time, young men used to look upon the Services with awe and admiration. All that is lost. National Defence Academy, Officers’ Training Academy & Indian Military Academy were premier institutions. Bollywood beauties used to hunt for Armed Forces Officers to accompany them on the dance floor. That was the charisma and magnetism, an officer had. Now situation has changed because we have not changed with the time and system. Our rugged and rigid ideas have made us incompetent. Worst is that our brethren openly acknowledge it. Life in the Armed Forces in late 70s had changed drastically and cut throat competition was introduced. As a result, we had become experts in cutting our own feet.
Post Kargil ( courtesy due to e-media ) battle field glamour journalism came into existence. It was so pronounced that a series of films were produced but none was like “HAQEEKAT”. There were number of so-called patriotic songs but none could match “ Aye Mere Vatan Ke Logo ”.
Now, the country feels that KARGIL DIWAS is an important day to commemorate. We as a Nation, have fought many battles and wars. Unfortunately, in the Army, some Battalions and Regiments celebrate “Battle Honour Days” of British era. I remember, a battalion pompously displayed “ Sword of Rani of Jhansi ” as a captured weapon and felt proud. Even after a lot of persuasion the Battalion resented to restore the HONOUR & GLORY it deserved. I was in the Ceremonial Directorate in the Army HQ and could pursue the case to the extent that a MoD direction was issued. I feel that a Commemorative calendar should be drawn for the citizen of this Nation and the Services, as well as, ESM organization should ensure that these days are adequately publicized and observed. Many of us, may be unknowingly, mention CELEBRATION of these days. We should use this term for ARMY DAY, NAVY DAY & AIR FORCE DAY. Other days are to be venerated. Lets us honour our BRAVE.
Public participation is a must and we should rope in associations like Rotary, Lions, JCI, etc at the National level. Captains of Corporate Sector can be invited to fund activities.
I am also upset on the matter that we were so engrossed in OROP & Kargil Diwas, that we forgot to pay homage to Field Marshall Sam Bahadur ( as was affectionately known ) on his first death anniversary. We all know that he was not accorded a proper final farewell wherein neither the RM nor the Chiefs attended the cremation. After public outcry, a hurriedly organized Obituary function was held in INDIA GATE. Even the Companies of which he was on the Board of Governors have paid any homage to The Legend. The only function was at 58 GTC where his bust was installed. IESM may think of starting Manekshaw Scholarships for Meritorious students of PBOR or a Trophy/ Award for Outstanding personalities in various fields. This would be a true homage.
OROP.
Formulae are being drawn and speculations are rife. As of now, I have heard nothing as Government Decision on OROP, which was to be declared on 30 jun. Whether it is President of India or the PM, they will have excuses to delay this, just like Liberhan Committee which has been submitted its report after 17 years and expenditure of crores to national exchequer. Many incorrect information are also being circulated and many veterans are in a state of confusion. It is giving an impression that some ubiquitous senior –ranking veterans are playing a game for personal gain. Recently, names of Senior Officers were drawn for the Armed Forces Tribunal. The remuneration was also mentioned against. It was appalling to note that the Officers accepted to that figure. It would have been rather magnanimous and worthy for the Officers to render their duty honorarily.
ESM Organisations
As of now, a retired soldier, sailor or airman does not have the faintest idea about ESM set-up. We speak of one umbrella. That’s a far – fetched idea. Solidarity amongst organization can only come if we have a common platform. So, there is a need to influence the MoD to start a Veterans’ Forum where representatives of all ESM bodies( registered or not ) can collectively meet on a fixed date and thrash out differences. We have many local ESM bodies and many semi-ESM organizations which are working for welfare of ESM. They should also be heard. Gen Khanduri, had to quit the post of CM and a senior Veteran lost the election in a state which is predominantly ESM heavy. What a shame ! It is all because ESM bodies are divided.
I vehemently and passionately feel that IESM should not seek support of any ESM organizations but form a sturdy team of veterans to march ahead on their own. In times to come, other ESM organization will surely lend support if our mission is on the right path. Veterans are free to join any or as many organizations until we declare that we are a political party. If we fail to come up to the standards and aspirations of Veterans, then we must be ready to pay for it.
DGR and Kendriya Sainik Board
This set-up is not only defunct but utterly corrupt. Every ESM openly acknowledges it. I think IESM as an Organization should take up this issue with MoD that the DGR itself should be staffed by ESM. This organization should provide the first relief and occupation. ESM who have retired after superannuation or Medically boarded out ( militarily attributable ) for 2 years or more and are below 58 years of age for Jt Directors and below and below 62 for Directors and above may be appointed on 5 Years contractual basis.
The State Boards should be also on similar lines. MoD should be compelled to accommodate ESM into parallel Government / semi – govt set-up. Bi-annually or as suitable, “Placement Mela” should be held in every zone under Command HQs. Similarly, Regimental Centres should also organize Campus Placements. For this, they may also employ ESMs to set-up Vocational Training & Placement Cell. In this manner, both will be benefitted – a win win situation. Government will save a lot in Pension budget and ESM will be doing constructive job. As of now, DGR is making Faltu Chowkidars out of trained and disciplined force. DGR should only place ESMs in Central / State Government run Security Agency or directly on the Pay roll of PSUs and Large corporate.
The other day, I read about Smt Thota Venkattasubbama, 88 yrs old from Guntur ( AP ) who became widow with a small child of a soldier who died in WW II, when she was 24, has received pension after 64 Yrs. Similarly, Smt Prammela of Medak ( widow of L / Nk who died in 71 )received her pension after 39 yrs. I suggest that DPLC be also manned by ESM with adequate staff to tour various corners of the Country.
I request that Senior Veterans to do some brain storming on the above issues. This is no time for Chinta ( worry ) but Chintan ( introspection ).
Lastly, an anecdote …….but quite true
*An elderly couple was watching TV when a TV evangelist came on air to pray for the sick.
The evangelist said.. "For those of you who are sick, I want to pray with you so that you can be cured of your sickness. Place your right hand on the part of your body that is suffering from disorder, and raise your left hand."
The husband placed his right hand on his privates, raised his left hand, and closed his eyes.
His wife saw what he did, and slowly whispered, "Honey, this prayer is to heal the sick, not to raise the dead!"
Jai Hind
Col Siddhartha Bose
D-85, Nar Vihar -1 C- 2 Tagore Nagar
Sector -34 Raipur
NOIDA (UP) CG
201307 492001
Tele : 0120 -2507208 0771 - 4263030
Mob : +91 9993032720
Views by Lt Col Bhalla on OROP
From: topdocbhalla@hotmail.com topdocbhalla@hotmail.com
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 9:52 AM
'Let's heave together is a good call, but the moment there are spoils to be shared each one will go his way.
See the Army has opened a Medical College in Delhi on Government land,is using the service of the Base Hospital (an interservice asset) but is restricting admissions to children of Army Personnel only. Even in welfare the 3 Services can't pull together.
The Services need a better leadership with an inclusive philosophy. Only then will it percolate down to all ranks and be carried on as ex-servicemen. ( I hasten to add that Senior ex-servicemen, steeped in the British culture were far more broad minded and inclusive in their approach. The same can't be said for the post-british influence Officers).
Bye,
Bhalla
(Lt Col A Bhalla)
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 9:52 AM
'Let's heave together is a good call, but the moment there are spoils to be shared each one will go his way.
See the Army has opened a Medical College in Delhi on Government land,is using the service of the Base Hospital (an interservice asset) but is restricting admissions to children of Army Personnel only. Even in welfare the 3 Services can't pull together.
The Services need a better leadership with an inclusive philosophy. Only then will it percolate down to all ranks and be carried on as ex-servicemen. ( I hasten to add that Senior ex-servicemen, steeped in the British culture were far more broad minded and inclusive in their approach. The same can't be said for the post-british influence Officers).
Bye,
Bhalla
(Lt Col A Bhalla)
Hardships faced by PBOR's by Veteran Prabhjot Singh
From: prabhjot singh prabhjot_singh0@yahoo.com
Subject: Killing the Veterans Inch by Inch
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: raviwarsha@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 1:22 PM
Dear Veterans,
In its letter no. IESL/DS/9 dated 2-6-2009, addressed to Maj. Gen. S.P. Kochar ADG PS5 – Adjutant General Branch West Block – III RK Puram New Delhi – 110066, Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh, has stressed upon the entry of Date of Birth of ex-servicemen and widows in their PPOs so that Pension Disbursing authorities (PDAs) can make the payment of the additional pension to the pensioners, which have become due to them after completion of 80 years of age and above, as provisioned by Govt. of India, Ministry of Defence, Deptt. of Ex-Servicemen Welfare in their letter no. 17 (4) 2008(1)/D (Pen/Pol) dated 11/11/2008 and suggested that the Record Offices should be advised to make efforts to complete this job by writing to individual ex-servicemen regarding confirmation of Date of Birth since most of the ex-servicemen (PBORs), living in villages and eligible for this additional pension, are illiterate and even un-aware of this benefit.
But it is a pity that no action has so far been taken by Records Offices or Pension Sanctioning Authorities (PSAs) in this case. It is pertinent to note that Veterans in this age group are most vulnerable to say good by to this world and in case of widows, they are absolutely not aware of any procedure to seek the restoration of family pension after the demise of their husbands. With such complexities and delay on the part of Record Offices and PSAs, the soldiers are being killed inch by inch.
Now the league has knocked the door of Director, Defence Pension, Sh. Harbans Singh, in the deptt. of Defence Welfare, Ministry of Defence, South Block, Sena Bhawan New Delhi , vide its letter no. IESL/13/2006 dated. 29-06-2009 to appraise him about this obstacle confronting the Veterans in getting additional pension, with request for an early solution to this problem.
It is a good effort on the part of IESM and other ESM organizations to fight for One Rank One Pension but it is equally good if Big Brothers in Delhi can spare some time to remind the authorities, who matter in this, about such problems faced by veterans lest Sgt. Mela Ram (80 years), Sub. T.S. Sawhney (82), Nb. Sub. Pritam Singh (98), Nb. Sub. Ajit Singh (83), SWR Malhara Singh and many other like them will leave for their heavenly abode while waiting for payment of their additional pension.
(Sgt. Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.)
President Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh .
Subject: Killing the Veterans Inch by Inch
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: raviwarsha@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, 30 June, 2009, 1:22 PM
Dear Veterans,
In its letter no. IESL/DS/9 dated 2-6-2009, addressed to Maj. Gen. S.P. Kochar ADG PS5 – Adjutant General Branch West Block – III RK Puram New Delhi – 110066, Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh, has stressed upon the entry of Date of Birth of ex-servicemen and widows in their PPOs so that Pension Disbursing authorities (PDAs) can make the payment of the additional pension to the pensioners, which have become due to them after completion of 80 years of age and above, as provisioned by Govt. of India, Ministry of Defence, Deptt. of Ex-Servicemen Welfare in their letter no. 17 (4) 2008(1)/D (Pen/Pol) dated 11/11/2008 and suggested that the Record Offices should be advised to make efforts to complete this job by writing to individual ex-servicemen regarding confirmation of Date of Birth since most of the ex-servicemen (PBORs), living in villages and eligible for this additional pension, are illiterate and even un-aware of this benefit.
But it is a pity that no action has so far been taken by Records Offices or Pension Sanctioning Authorities (PSAs) in this case. It is pertinent to note that Veterans in this age group are most vulnerable to say good by to this world and in case of widows, they are absolutely not aware of any procedure to seek the restoration of family pension after the demise of their husbands. With such complexities and delay on the part of Record Offices and PSAs, the soldiers are being killed inch by inch.
Now the league has knocked the door of Director, Defence Pension, Sh. Harbans Singh, in the deptt. of Defence Welfare, Ministry of Defence, South Block, Sena Bhawan New Delhi , vide its letter no. IESL/13/2006 dated. 29-06-2009 to appraise him about this obstacle confronting the Veterans in getting additional pension, with request for an early solution to this problem.
It is a good effort on the part of IESM and other ESM organizations to fight for One Rank One Pension but it is equally good if Big Brothers in Delhi can spare some time to remind the authorities, who matter in this, about such problems faced by veterans lest Sgt. Mela Ram (80 years), Sub. T.S. Sawhney (82), Nb. Sub. Pritam Singh (98), Nb. Sub. Ajit Singh (83), SWR Malhara Singh and many other like them will leave for their heavenly abode while waiting for payment of their additional pension.
(Sgt. Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd.)
President Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh .
Views by Lt Gen YN Sharma on OROP
From: yoginder sharma yogi2g@gmail.com
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: "raj kadyan" rajkadyan@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 6:42 PM
Dear Pravesh (Maj Gen PK Renjen),
I have just seen the formulation that you and Barin had worked out.I find the 'synopsis' patently rational,,just and eminently balanced.My sincere congratulations to you both.It would be a pity if it does not attract attention of the Decisionmakers, for whatever reasons.You have followed a 'principled' and visionary approach and not followed a 'grabbers' mindset. The latter does not quite gel with the 'military ethos'!!!
I have scanned through some of the other proposals. They all mean well for the veterans and I wish them well; but their cogency and rationale did not quite stand out like yours.It felt more like 'grab as much as can' , like the 'wallstreet wizards' of late.And look where they have landed the world? Maybe I missed out on something in those proposals - am getting rusty.But am still sharp on one point-the day we get too clever and compromise on 'dharmic' values of soldiering, such as crabby pursuit of money/material; IA would have lost more than all the gains.Justice indeed, but as so well put by your wise General"no more no less".
I wish you all the very best.
A parting thought-OROP was just one battle- the Veterans deserve good ldrship as IESM has provided thus far, for many future fights- do gain the high ground for those, starting with lakhs of members.
Yogi
(Lt Gen YN Sharma, Former Army Cdr)
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From: Satish Kumar Bahri skbahri1@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Re: Presentation to the Cab sec committee on 23 Jun 09
To: "'Raj Kadyan'" rajkadyan@yahoo.com , "'REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)'" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in , "'Colonel Rajan'", "brigrksgulia" brigrksgulia@googlemail.com
Cc: "'Brig RKS Gulia'"
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 10:15 PM
Dear Gulia,
Thanks for the clarification and the commitment that all ESM orgs will be carried along. You i am sure are aware that one org alone cannot carry out this task alone. Otherwise the bureaucrats will take advantage of our divisiveness. I am glad you have assured everyone about it. It would be helpful if you could put up the table on the net for the info of all ESM.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd)
E 403 Som Vihar Apts,
RK Puram
New Delhi 110022 - India
Tele +91 11 26102171
Mob +91 981000 2800
To: ""REPORT MY SIGNAL" (CS Kamboj)" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Cc: "raj kadyan" rajkadyan@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 6:42 PM
Dear Pravesh (Maj Gen PK Renjen),
I have just seen the formulation that you and Barin had worked out.I find the 'synopsis' patently rational,,just and eminently balanced.My sincere congratulations to you both.It would be a pity if it does not attract attention of the Decisionmakers, for whatever reasons.You have followed a 'principled' and visionary approach and not followed a 'grabbers' mindset. The latter does not quite gel with the 'military ethos'!!!
I have scanned through some of the other proposals. They all mean well for the veterans and I wish them well; but their cogency and rationale did not quite stand out like yours.It felt more like 'grab as much as can' , like the 'wallstreet wizards' of late.And look where they have landed the world? Maybe I missed out on something in those proposals - am getting rusty.But am still sharp on one point-the day we get too clever and compromise on 'dharmic' values of soldiering, such as crabby pursuit of money/material; IA would have lost more than all the gains.Justice indeed, but as so well put by your wise General"no more no less".
I wish you all the very best.
A parting thought-OROP was just one battle- the Veterans deserve good ldrship as IESM has provided thus far, for many future fights- do gain the high ground for those, starting with lakhs of members.
Yogi
(Lt Gen YN Sharma, Former Army Cdr)
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From: Satish Kumar Bahri skbahri1@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Re: Presentation to the Cab sec committee on 23 Jun 09
To: "'Raj Kadyan'" rajkadyan@yahoo.com , "'REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)'" kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in , "'Colonel Rajan'"
Cc: "'Brig RKS Gulia'"
Date: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009, 10:15 PM
Dear Gulia,
Thanks for the clarification and the commitment that all ESM orgs will be carried along. You i am sure are aware that one org alone cannot carry out this task alone. Otherwise the bureaucrats will take advantage of our divisiveness. I am glad you have assured everyone about it. It would be helpful if you could put up the table on the net for the info of all ESM.
Satish
Lt Gen SK Bahri (Retd)
E 403 Som Vihar Apts,
RK Puram
New Delhi 110022 - India
Tele +91 11 26102171
Mob +91 981000 2800
Reply by Brig Gulia to Gen Bahri's mail
From: brigrksgulia [mailto:brigrksgulia@googlemail.com]
Sent: 30 June 2009 22:58
To: 'Satish Kumar Bahri'; 'Raj Kadyan'; 'REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)'; 'Colonel Rajan'
Cc: 'Brig RKS Gulia'
Subject: RE: Re: Presentation to the Cab sec committee on 23 Jun 09
My due apology for delay in responding your (Lt Gen SK Bahri) mail. I am out of station , except 2/3 days in a month , to various states/Distts for diff projects of E S M . I wish you had called me on tele/mob as I have been doing info you on impt /urgent matters . There is one & only one proposal finalised in your as also in presence of others on 15 June that has been sent to MOD & handed over to the cabinet secretary after presentation . I am sure mail of IESM wouldn’t have surprised you being on expected lines as In past .I can assure you & other ESM that IESL will do every thing possible for ESM fraternity carrying every body along . I only wish details of IESL welfare activities are known to all ESM .
Regards
Gulia
(Brig RKS Gulia, President IESL)
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THE END
Sent: 30 June 2009 22:58
To: 'Satish Kumar Bahri'; 'Raj Kadyan'; 'REPORT MY SIGNAL (CS Kamboj)'; 'Colonel Rajan'
Cc: 'Brig RKS Gulia'
Subject: RE: Re: Presentation to the Cab sec committee on 23 Jun 09
My due apology for delay in responding your (Lt Gen SK Bahri) mail. I am out of station , except 2/3 days in a month , to various states/Distts for diff projects of E S M . I wish you had called me on tele/mob as I have been doing info you on impt /urgent matters . There is one & only one proposal finalised in your as also in presence of others on 15 June that has been sent to MOD & handed over to the cabinet secretary after presentation . I am sure mail of IESM wouldn’t have surprised you being on expected lines as In past .I can assure you & other ESM that IESL will do every thing possible for ESM fraternity carrying every body along . I only wish details of IESL welfare activities are known to all ESM .
Regards
Gulia
(Brig RKS Gulia, President IESL)
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THE END
Wednesday, July 1, 2009
Views of Maj Gen Satbir Singh on OROP
My dear Col Sohi
1. Thanks for your mail. Your contributions to the cause of ESM welfare is highly appreciated.
2. I would however request you that, we should wait for the Govt orders, analyse them and then plan our future course of action. Purely going by the News paper reports, that the recommended proposal will cost the Govt approx Rs 600 crore, one can clearly discern that it will be nowhere near the OROP. The earlier estimates of OROP which appeared in the News papers indicated Rs 2200 crores per year for grant of full OROP. Your saying that the Cabinet Secretary has recommended very very near to the OROP may not be correct.
3. Col Sohi there is only one interpretation of OROP ie all past pensioners must get the same pension as is given the new pensioners with same length of service and same rank and it should remain so all the time ie OROP should be granted in perpetuity. Going by this as a concept, anything less than the above will not meet the ends of Justice.
4. I request all ESM Organizations and ESM to Unite and continue the efforts Unitedely to get Justice for defence Personnel.
With Kind Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
1. Thanks for your mail. Your contributions to the cause of ESM welfare is highly appreciated.
2. I would however request you that, we should wait for the Govt orders, analyse them and then plan our future course of action. Purely going by the News paper reports, that the recommended proposal will cost the Govt approx Rs 600 crore, one can clearly discern that it will be nowhere near the OROP. The earlier estimates of OROP which appeared in the News papers indicated Rs 2200 crores per year for grant of full OROP. Your saying that the Cabinet Secretary has recommended very very near to the OROP may not be correct.
3. Col Sohi there is only one interpretation of OROP ie all past pensioners must get the same pension as is given the new pensioners with same length of service and same rank and it should remain so all the time ie OROP should be granted in perpetuity. Going by this as a concept, anything less than the above will not meet the ends of Justice.
4. I request all ESM Organizations and ESM to Unite and continue the efforts Unitedely to get Justice for defence Personnel.
With Kind Regards,
Jai Hind
Yours Sincerely,
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Views by Col AK Sarkar
After 6th pay commission basic pension has increased for all ranks. It is expected to go up further with something coming out from Committee of Secretaries streamlining Pension anomalies created by the Pay Commissions.
Those retiring after 1.1.2006 have been issued fresh PPO and again 50 percent of revised pension has been commuted, thus giving them more commutation value than what they got earlier. In my opinion the same concept should be applicable for all pre 06 defence pensioners up to the age of 75 years or 15 years, whichever is earlier.
Civilians retire at the age of 60 and pension commuted for 15 years ie upto the age of 75 years. Armed forces personnel who retired before 1.1.06 got hardly any commutation value compared to those who retired after 1.1.06 with same rank. It is far worse for those who retired before 1996.
Col A K Sarkar(Retd)
Comment: I wonder if the commutation woes will be addressed at all for all ESM who retired prior to 2006. The bureaucracy would love to push this issue under the carpet forever!
Those retiring after 1.1.2006 have been issued fresh PPO and again 50 percent of revised pension has been commuted, thus giving them more commutation value than what they got earlier. In my opinion the same concept should be applicable for all pre 06 defence pensioners up to the age of 75 years or 15 years, whichever is earlier.
Civilians retire at the age of 60 and pension commuted for 15 years ie upto the age of 75 years. Armed forces personnel who retired before 1.1.06 got hardly any commutation value compared to those who retired after 1.1.06 with same rank. It is far worse for those who retired before 1996.
Col A K Sarkar(Retd)
Comment: I wonder if the commutation woes will be addressed at all for all ESM who retired prior to 2006. The bureaucracy would love to push this issue under the carpet forever!
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