Friday, November 13, 2009

25 Comments from Veterans on Maj Navdeep Singh mail on Pension


Harry said...
@ Maj Navdeep


1. Its an EXCELLENT (and practical) idea and needs to be seriously considered. Way to go !!

2. Sorry for digging up old issue
but whats the latest on so-called High Level Committee to sort out Grade pay fiasco? Remember 8000 Grade Pay for Lt Cols was an 'INTERIM' measure till final decision on Grade Pay anomaly was taken? Has everybody forgotten it?
I know public memory is short but surely things concerning ones izzat should not be compromised. Do update us on that if there is any further development.

Thanks !
November 10, 2009 7:56 AM

manav musings said...
Yes sir,
its an excellent suggestion.

But even if the govt thinks to consider it, the ultimate spoiler--- the implementors, i.e. bureaucrats will spoil everything beyond recognition.

I worry this only.
November 10, 2009 8:15 AM

Anonymous said...
The abolishing of weightage is wef 1.1.06. An officer who retired after 20yrs service on 31.12.05 gets a pension of 21028, while an officer who retired on 1.1.06 after 20yrs service gets 25700. Taking 27% DA into account, the difference in pension is around 6000. And all because of one day!
November 10, 2009 8:56 AM

Navdeep Maj Navdeep Singh said...
@Anony 8.56

That problem would also be killed for all times to come by observing such a system. While pensions of post-CPC retirees could continue to be calculated at 50% of last drawn emoluments, the pensions of all pre-CPC retirees could be placed at percentage slabs which would then keep the difference between pre and post-CPC retirees at the barest minimum. It would be de facto OROP which would be acceptable to all sections of retirees with only an added MSP fitment for faujis.
November 10, 2009 9:05 AM

Anonymous said...
Major MRP said....

Dear Major Navdeep,

Your suggestion is not only excellent but practical to solve problems of pensioners for all time and closing litigation and thereby saving millions to the GOI and amount saved can be utilised for welfare schemes and enrgies of pensioners can be utilised in positive manner than to waste their years in agony and harassment in Couts and appeals to the Govt.

Wishing you all the best and pray that such a noval idea can be implemented by benevolent Govt.
November 10, 2009 11:33 AM

vipin said...
i dont think 50% pension has been granted to those with less than 33 yrs of service and retired between 1.1.06 and 1.9.08.
is the matter under consideration.
November 10, 2009 1:43 PM

Navdeep Maj Navdeep Singh said...

The matter has already been considered and accepted in principle by the Committee of Secretaries.
November 10, 2009 1:51 PM

A B Mehta said...
Navdeep has given a very practical suggestion.
The bank staff are so confused, inspite of the govt orders as forwarded by PCDA, that they have paid some Lt Col (eq) 40% of old pension and recalculated on the basis of PB4 from 1106! They have yet to pay full 60% to others.Since there would not be any PPO this is likely to drag on.
In the suggested method PCDA could just indicate rankwise pension before and after the due date for all for PDAs to pay. I presume that this will benefit both the civil and defence staff and thus may not be opposed. Person retiring one day after the date of implementation would in any case get 50% of the last pay drawn.
Gp apt A B Mehta
November 10, 2009 3:18 PM

Prakasa Rao said...
A Very Good suggestion. Hope those who matter in decision making hear and implement it.
November 10, 2009 5:58 PM

bala said...
Any rational,logical and just approach is welcome.
Presently ,existing cut of dates and fixation of pensions has only created so much of disparity and anomalies leading to increased litigation and dishormony in human resources of the NATION .
Even some school children can suggest better ways and methods.
It is sad reflection of governance.
November 10, 2009 11:42 PM

Ajit said...
A good suggestion but I am not at all optimistic if anyone who matters is listeninginterested
November 11, 2009 12:20 AM

Anonymous said...
Quoting Maj Singh : "I would love to hear from our experts on the subject"

Well Major Singh, I don't think there is any better expert on the subject than you. You are just being humble.

Let me tell you, in my 40 years of dealing with the subject both from the Central Govt. side and pensioners' associations side, I am yet to come across a better proposal.

Such implementation would not only meet the requirements of justice but also eliminate litigation and heart-burn. With your permission, I plan to send it to the Finance Ministry and the PM. The people in our Secretariats do not usually want simple systems in place since it threatens their discretionary powers and their power of being a thorn in a bed of roses. That is our undoing because simple procedures means lesser reliance on the govt. and lesser reliance means lesser power to the hordes of desk officers, section officers and under secretaries who put up proposals to the top brass (yes i agree with your previous article on this) who do not have time to apply full mind to such proposals.

Embracing the proposal proposed by you would end all our woes. Let us carry this forward my friend.

November 11, 2009 7:18 AM

Anonymous said...
navdeep sir, the best solution till date from any quarter. Hope to see it through during my service career. If not this time, we should push for this in the next Pay Commission. I would request you to present a formal paper on this if you have the time to do it. thanks once again.
November 11, 2009 7:56 AM

Ramani said...
This cut off date business affects all in every way. a guy born on 31 dec and a guy born on 1 jan. gets different treatment in the mater of employment, collegeschool admissions and so on.
so where do we draw a line.
As far as Navdeep's suggestion goes, it is the most practicable and sensible one that I have come across so far.
However I think the Mandarins in the def(ia)ence ministry will not see it that way.
November 11, 2009 8:13 AM

Anonymous said...

1) A very good practical suggestion,

2) Infact the ideal concept should be ONE GP ONE PENSION (OGOP )which will put to rest, cut off dates, and all other issues.

hope the govt implements the same post haste

November 11, 2009 8:17 AM

Prakasa Rao said...
November 11, 2009 8:35 AM

Col NR Kurup (Retd) said...
There are many such atrocities. For example an officer who has been drawing the highest of his scale of pay continuously for many years and half that pay as pension after 33 years of service is put at the minimum of the scale of pay after every pay commission. Imagine the plight of someone like me who has undergone 3 such pay rivisions after retirement. If not a fixation at the same highest of the slab at least we deserve at least a point to point fixation aqnd not fixation at the lowest.
November 11, 2009 3:08 PM

GaviniVN said...

I had been expecting such a MARVELLOUS solution to the pension woes from your side, and now elated since U did it. In one of my earlier views expressed in this blog, I had mentioned your name (yourself) to be a part of the ARMED FORCES PAY COMMISSION, (IN 2016?) THE GOVT RECENTLY AGREED AND LIKELY TO BE CONSTITUTED WHEN NEEDED, as Member to represent the Pensionlegal issues of the Pensioners. I pray and wish this to COME TRUE BY THE GRACE OF GOD.

Sir, Just Imagine, if such Govt's orders issued, -THE SAVINGS - the MANHOURS of an Army of Govt employees engaged in this work, Let go of the Draftingfinalising policies, reports, orders, recommendations, corrigemdums, clarifications, Saving of postagecourrier charges, Save charges on Telephone Conversationsclarifications, .
Save Tonnes of paper, Energymoney and Spare the administration to do other important work. The Savings on this count could run into tens of thousands of Crores of Rupees, which the Govt can easily foot the Pension Bills to a considerable levels.

This kind of SIMPLIFICATION OF PROCEDURE is a real PANACEA to the GOVT OF INDIA. If ONE such ideasuggestion from EACH MINISTRYDEPARTMENT OF GOVT OF INDIA comes out and applied, then the Savings ploughed back into the govt spending can MAKE OUR NATION A NUMERUNO IN A FLAT 100 YEARS.

November 11, 2009 7:21 PM

Anonymous said...
@ Harry

Para 2
Was it, really?

The one man who could have helped to remind the babus is in the kiwiland.

Only hope is the 18 yrs' rumour. Anything on this?
November 11, 2009 7:27 PM

Anonymous said...

May I know the present status of recommendations on delinking the requirement of 33 years of service for full pension.
November 11, 2009 9:21 PM

pramod said...
ramani @8.13PM

>>>> def(ia)ence ministry....

awesome ;)
November 11, 2009 9:31 PM

Jassi said...
Dear Navdeep,
It is an excellent and innovative idea which can only grow in a brilliant mind.If implemented it save us preparation of so many tables which create more problems than the number of their columns rows giving sleepless nights to those who wo any say in the system.My only worry is whether it will be acceptable to the medicrity that rules the system.
November 12, 2009 8:23 AM

Anonymous said...
From a civilian pensioner point of view, I too think it is a brilliant idea.

We need to place all pre VI CPC retired pensioners into one grade of pension based on a percentage system. The same percentage can then be a determinant of pension of previous retirees after every new pay commission. The pension can still be kept subject to minimum of 50% of the newly implemented scales and everyone with 20 + years of service can be given the same fixed pension on a percentage formula. Our defence brethren can be given an additional step-up based on Military Service Pay, that is, Rs. 3000 per month for commissioned officers and Rs. 1000 per month for Group B and Group C officers (J.C.Os and Jawans). The figures of MSP should ideally be upwardly revised too.

This would kill the need for any fitment pension tables and also kill the need of hankering by various organizations at present and for the future. All defence and civil pensioner organizations including defence, railways, postal, IESM, IESL etc etc should work on this very apt line provided by Maj. Navdeep Singh. The govt. should take notice, this would save the govt. from heartburn amongst pensioners and also complications in pensions and also save money by reducing litigation. Moreover all employees recruited after 2004 are already on contributory new pension scheme.

ONE GRADE ONE PENSION based on % basis is the idea which can be implemented if the govt. takes notice – till date the best idea from any side. Well rounded, equitable and implementable. Thank you for providing food for thought. Sujan
November 12, 2009 5:21 PM

A very good solution to the ailing probs.On the civil side the grades are well defined and implementation would be easier.For the AF, we have to sort out the GP based on length of service with min datum Majs are worst sufferers having put in more than 26 yrs service because of AV singh report and fitment post 6 CPC.Once this is resolved percentage based pensions should be the order of the day.Will cut down lot of anomalies.Good going
November 12, 2009 6:04 PM

BC said...
Dear Maj Navdeep,
The idea of granting pension on % basis is an excellent proposal. Let me tell you the idea has been well taken by the environment. Can this issue be taken up in some official forum, at some appropriate level. Maj Navdeep please guide us in this aspect.
Really, the credit goes to you for this.

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