Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
I was away on a pleasure trip with family for five days – not allowed to even look towards my laptop.
Came back dead tired – so another day gone sleeping.
Over 500 emails in my in box, including 106 emails for becoming member of email service of "REPORT MY SIGNAL".
(never before such large numbers applied at the same time – I am amazed. I think total numbers may now reach around 1900 individuals & about 55 ESM Groups. A very good sign of ESM mustering together).
Registering one member takes around 10 minutes – I will definitely register all new members who havae already applied and even more - but it will take time.
Kindly tell your friends to kindly forgive me for the delay in their receiving direct emails from me.
Other emails – I will pick up depending on proper subject headings etc. Whatever old emails I can clear in next two days – I will.
Rest have to be just deleted otherwise I will continue in arrears for long period.
If your important email does not appear in next two days – please re-send it.
Kindly use discretion in sending emails to me.
As far as possible, please send emails only pertaining to the All India Movement by ESM against injustice to Defence Services.
Please do not send emails pertaining to nuclear strategy or other national problems or on religion etc.
Kindly help me in giving you useful service, which is possible if you can avoid sending long trailing trash emails to me.
Please delete my email ID from your usual forward net. Include my ID when you feel it is worth sending to all on the "REPORT MY SIGNAL" net.
Please use only my ID kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in . Delet all other email IDs of mine you have – PLEASE.
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
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Monday, August 30, 2010
Candle-lit vigil by ex-servicemen
Chandigarh, August 30
Ex-servicemen from the Tri-City today held a candle-lit vigil in the Sector-17 plazza in support of their demands, including grant of “ONE RANK, ONE PENSION” (OROP). A large number of ex-servicemen and members of their families, carrying candles and placards, participated in the vigil. Ex-servicemen said instead of sincerely considering their demands, the government seemed to have further hardened its stance against the veterans. The government had not yet accepted the report of the standing committee on Defence tabled in the Lok Sabha on May 7, strongly recommending the grant of “ONE RANK, ONE PENSION” to Defence personnel. They also criticised the government for continuing to contest the court rulings that were in favour of Defence personnel, filing appeals even against the policy of the law ministry. They said the Defence community, especially veterans, were feeling angry, hurt and aggrieved. All efforts, including peaceful protests, had failed to move the government, which continued to deprive them of their legitimate dues. Ex-servicemen also raised issues like consistent downgrading of status of the armed forces personnel across the board, leaving out of widows from the recent enhancement of pension to JCOs and Jawans, no enhancements in pension to the aged and old reservists, anomalies in pension and non-implementation of court directives.
AFTER ACTION REPORT ..Candle Light Rally at Chandigarh
On 30 August 2010 23:13, Veteran Brig Nawab Heer
wrote:
AFTER ACTION REPORT
CANDLE LIGHT RALLY AT CHANDIGARH ON MONDAY, 30 AUG 2010Dear All,In the last two years, it was first initiative to hold a rally at night that too candle night in the Tri City. Best feedback will be given by others, but we are very well satisfied with the response from Veterans of Tri City from Sepoy to Major Generals. In fact we had large number of gathering from officers. There were six electronic Media channels, 10 vernacular channels and six national papers. It was widely covered live by Day and Night channel and PTC. Others will relay tomorrow and I hope all appears will cover the event. There were almost 250 officers and their lady wives and children. Number was less, considering short notice and first time. In a very short time from 1930 to 2030h bonhomiewe established was really very heartening. In fact our ladies wer more enthuastic than Veterans.Many of them spoke to the media very well. Brig BS Gill,Vrc,Maj Gen Pushpinder Singh,Maj Gen RS Batra,Brig KK,Brig Opinder,Brig Harwnt,Brig Gill and there were far too many other senior officers whom I could not meet.Media gave full support, so was the support from Local citizens. Even Chandigarh Police was supportive, we did not know that we cannot hold rallies at sector 17 WO permission, but we did. Next time we will take advance permission.Yesterday, there was a rally at Patiala, today Chandigarh next week Monday at Gurdaspur. Then all over in all cities of Punjab. We will request to hold such rallies all over India. One it is easy to hold, second it is peaceful, third everyone including ladies feel happy to participate, four it is very low cost almost and last like insurgency it gives more dividends. It will generate a good pressure; fact that two channels covered live speaks for itself.I propose next one at war Memorial Chandigarh for Tri City again during Day on 16 December and again peaceful without speeches but, call all media.an have picnic. We can interact amongst ourselves and media in small groups. Weather will be good. Please give views.Lastly, I express my thanks to all veterans and their lady wives for participation and please be part of the group in future too. It was again a very good experiment at Amalgamation of all ESM organisations which worked; everyone rose above party lines. That IS what IESM must strive.On thankful note to all particularly, Brig KK Sir, please send your honest feedback. Regards, Veteran Nawab Heer
wrote:
AFTER ACTION REPORT
CANDLE LIGHT RALLY AT CHANDIGARH ON MONDAY, 30 AUG 2010Dear All,In the last two years, it was first initiative to hold a rally at night that too candle night in the Tri City. Best feedback will be given by others, but we are very well satisfied with the response from Veterans of Tri City from Sepoy to Major Generals. In fact we had large number of gathering from officers. There were six electronic Media channels, 10 vernacular channels and six national papers. It was widely covered live by Day and Night channel and PTC. Others will relay tomorrow and I hope all appears will cover the event. There were almost 250 officers and their lady wives and children. Number was less, considering short notice and first time. In a very short time from 1930 to 2030h bonhomiewe established was really very heartening. In fact our ladies wer more enthuastic than Veterans.Many of them spoke to the media very well. Brig BS Gill,Vrc,Maj Gen Pushpinder Singh,Maj Gen RS Batra,Brig KK,Brig Opinder,Brig Harwnt,Brig Gill and there were far too many other senior officers whom I could not meet.Media gave full support, so was the support from Local citizens. Even Chandigarh Police was supportive, we did not know that we cannot hold rallies at sector 17 WO permission, but we did. Next time we will take advance permission.Yesterday, there was a rally at Patiala, today Chandigarh next week Monday at Gurdaspur. Then all over in all cities of Punjab. We will request to hold such rallies all over India. One it is easy to hold, second it is peaceful, third everyone including ladies feel happy to participate, four it is very low cost almost and last like insurgency it gives more dividends. It will generate a good pressure; fact that two channels covered live speaks for itself.I propose next one at war Memorial Chandigarh for Tri City again during Day on 16 December and again peaceful without speeches but, call all media.an have picnic. We can interact amongst ourselves and media in small groups. Weather will be good. Please give views.Lastly, I express my thanks to all veterans and their lady wives for participation and please be part of the group in future too. It was again a very good experiment at Amalgamation of all ESM organisations which worked; everyone rose above party lines. That IS what IESM must strive.On thankful note to all particularly, Brig KK Sir, please send your honest feedback. Regards, Veteran Nawab Heer
Educating the youth...Kargil War - CD- Projection in Schools by Col Raman
Dear Veterans,
On 27 Aug 10, I had an opportunity to talk to the students of 11 & 12 Standards in Lady Sivaswamy Higher Secondary School, Mylapore, Chennai. A total of 200 Boys & Girls, with their Class teachers attended the Presentation. The Presentation was done in the School's Auditorium.
There are certain points I wish to bring out to the Veterans, who may be addressing such audience.
The students are captive audience, well mannered & disciplined. They want to learn more about the Army way of life, especially the career prospects & promotion avenues.
Kargil war is now more than 10 years old. Most of the students of 11 &12 Standards, would have been only between 7 & 9 years old during the time of the war, ie, in 1999. They would not have been watching the TV during that period, in a serious way as the older people would have been doing. Therefore, I request the Veterans to kindly prepare a brief introductory speech, covering the background to the conflict, lasting for just three minutes. The DVD can be projected after the introduction.
Some inquisitive students ask questions. Some of the questions I faced are as under:-
Why the guns keep firing when you do not see any enemy?
Why hand over the dead bodies of enemy soldiers with ceremony?
Did they (Pakistanis) also hand over the bodies of our soldiers in a similar way?
In the modern days, there are missiles, rockets & laser guided bombs available. Then why sacrifice the youth to physically capture every peak?
Kindly prepare yourselves to face more of such questions.
Veteran Raman
Col (Retd) TN Raman
E5/230, AWHO Parameswaran Vihar,
67, Arcot Road, Saligramam,
Chennai 600093
On 27 Aug 10, I had an opportunity to talk to the students of 11 & 12 Standards in Lady Sivaswamy Higher Secondary School, Mylapore, Chennai. A total of 200 Boys & Girls, with their Class teachers attended the Presentation. The Presentation was done in the School's Auditorium.
There are certain points I wish to bring out to the Veterans, who may be addressing such audience.
The students are captive audience, well mannered & disciplined. They want to learn more about the Army way of life, especially the career prospects & promotion avenues.
Kargil war is now more than 10 years old. Most of the students of 11 &12 Standards, would have been only between 7 & 9 years old during the time of the war, ie, in 1999. They would not have been watching the TV during that period, in a serious way as the older people would have been doing. Therefore, I request the Veterans to kindly prepare a brief introductory speech, covering the background to the conflict, lasting for just three minutes. The DVD can be projected after the introduction.
Some inquisitive students ask questions. Some of the questions I faced are as under:-
Why the guns keep firing when you do not see any enemy?
Why hand over the dead bodies of enemy soldiers with ceremony?
Did they (Pakistanis) also hand over the bodies of our soldiers in a similar way?
In the modern days, there are missiles, rockets & laser guided bombs available. Then why sacrifice the youth to physically capture every peak?
Kindly prepare yourselves to face more of such questions.
Veteran Raman
Col (Retd) TN Raman
E5/230, AWHO Parameswaran Vihar,
67, Arcot Road, Saligramam,
Chennai 600093
PRESS RELEASE: VETERAN, S CANDLE LIGHT RALLY AT SECTOR 17 CHANDIGARH 30 AUG (MONDAY) by Brig Nawab Singh
Dear All,
PLEASE REMEMBER YOU HAVE DATE AT SECTOR 17(OPP FOUNTAIN) ON 30 AUG AT 1930H WITH CANDLES AND MATCH STICK.PLEASE COME WITH FAMILY N FRIENDS ,LIGHT ONE CANDLE FOR OROP AND EXPRESS YOUR SOLIDARITY.PLEASE INFORM MAXIMUM OFFICERS IN YOUR TELE DIRECTORY AND MAILING LIST.
ENCLOSED IS PROPOSED PRESS RELEASE.ANYONE HAVING CONTACTS WITH MEDIA PL MAIL ONE .
PRESS RELEASE: VETERAN, S CANDLE LIGHT RALLY AT SECTOR 17 CHANDIGARH 30 AUG (MONDAY)
With recent developments in the parliament of sudden enhancement of MP, s pay by 300% and RM, s statement on “One Rank One Pension”, Veterans are once again agitated.MP; s pay rise has angered the public and the Media for having double standards. Most electronic media channels debated the issue where they preferred to call mostly Defense Officers for comments. Martial of The Air force Arjun Singh, Senior most Serving Officer of Defense Forces commented that he sat on Dharna after his retirement for OROP 25 years back at India Gate and Defense Forces pay anomalies are still existing. Media and citizens are arguing that MP,s enhanced their own emoluments by 300% with one day debate ,whereas Veterans have been fighting for it for the past 30 years.
Indian Exserviemen Movement which came up at national level in 2008,gave a call for OROP which really picked up momentum amongst ESM.They have deposited their 60000 medals with President,five lakh ESM have submitted memorandum to PM duly signed with their blood,they conducted rallies thought the country.Now they have decided to conduct candle light marches in all cities of India,finally culminating into rally at New Delhi from India Gate to Supreme court of India.
Large number of Veterans collected at Sector 17 –Fountain along with their families and Children.They were anguished on contradictory statements made by Defence Minister that, it will take long time to implement OROP,when MP,s enhanced their emoluments over night.There were almost 2000 Veterans carrying candles in their hands and lighting them close to Fountain with hope and determination to succeed.Who knows what Bureaucrats and politicians have designs in their hearts for them.It was very heartening to see that Media and Citizen were very supportive of their demands.
They have also declared that they plan to hold larger rally at Chandigarh War Memorial on 16 December at 11 AM onwards and declare 16 December that as “Veterans Day”. All Veterans will wear red Ribbons on their left pockets to show respect for martyred soldiers and determination to fight for injustices.Amongst Veterans were many very old Senior Generals.
Brig Nawab Singh.
PLEASE REMEMBER YOU HAVE DATE AT SECTOR 17(OPP FOUNTAIN) ON 30 AUG AT 1930H WITH CANDLES AND MATCH STICK.PLEASE COME WITH FAMILY N FRIENDS ,LIGHT ONE CANDLE FOR OROP AND EXPRESS YOUR SOLIDARITY.PLEASE INFORM MAXIMUM OFFICERS IN YOUR TELE DIRECTORY AND MAILING LIST.
ENCLOSED IS PROPOSED PRESS RELEASE.ANYONE HAVING CONTACTS WITH MEDIA PL MAIL ONE .
PRESS RELEASE: VETERAN, S CANDLE LIGHT RALLY AT SECTOR 17 CHANDIGARH 30 AUG (MONDAY)
With recent developments in the parliament of sudden enhancement of MP, s pay by 300% and RM, s statement on “One Rank One Pension”, Veterans are once again agitated.MP; s pay rise has angered the public and the Media for having double standards. Most electronic media channels debated the issue where they preferred to call mostly Defense Officers for comments. Martial of The Air force Arjun Singh, Senior most Serving Officer of Defense Forces commented that he sat on Dharna after his retirement for OROP 25 years back at India Gate and Defense Forces pay anomalies are still existing. Media and citizens are arguing that MP,s enhanced their own emoluments by 300% with one day debate ,whereas Veterans have been fighting for it for the past 30 years.
Indian Exserviemen Movement which came up at national level in 2008,gave a call for OROP which really picked up momentum amongst ESM.They have deposited their 60000 medals with President,five lakh ESM have submitted memorandum to PM duly signed with their blood,they conducted rallies thought the country.Now they have decided to conduct candle light marches in all cities of India,finally culminating into rally at New Delhi from India Gate to Supreme court of India.
Large number of Veterans collected at Sector 17 –Fountain along with their families and Children.They were anguished on contradictory statements made by Defence Minister that, it will take long time to implement OROP,when MP,s enhanced their emoluments over night.There were almost 2000 Veterans carrying candles in their hands and lighting them close to Fountain with hope and determination to succeed.Who knows what Bureaucrats and politicians have designs in their hearts for them.It was very heartening to see that Media and Citizen were very supportive of their demands.
They have also declared that they plan to hold larger rally at Chandigarh War Memorial on 16 December at 11 AM onwards and declare 16 December that as “Veterans Day”. All Veterans will wear red Ribbons on their left pockets to show respect for martyred soldiers and determination to fight for injustices.Amongst Veterans were many very old Senior Generals.
Brig Nawab Singh.
An Appeal for Candle Lighting at Tri City by brig Harwant Singh
Dear Friends ,
This appeal is basically meant to the Hon'ble Veterans residing at or close to the Tricity of Chandigarh and those who have 'contacts' there, since the e-mail addresses of all the affected Veterans are not available . All are requested to respond to the following 'appeal' .
''AN APPEAL''
'' As the Hon'ble Veterans are aware that after the success of the ' 22 Aug Rally' at Delhi and the support rendered by the Marshal of the Air Force , the Venerable Arjan Singh, to the OROP , our the ''Cause'' has got has got a new boost and the issue of OROP has been revived . We should therefore , cash on the momentum generated and redouble our efforts to get victory (OROP).
With the above in view , ''CANDLE LIGHTING'' is being done in all major cities by ''ALL ORGANISATIONS'' of the Veterans , to get further support for the OROP . It was done at Patiala on 28 Aug with great success. Please see 'Sanjha Morcha blog' at http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/ .
This process will culminate in a huge candle light march by the Veterans around the INDIA GATE in New Delhi , later
'Candle Lighting in support of OROP' is being now conducted at the Tricity of Chandigarh on 30 Aug .
ALL Hon'ble Veterans and their friends are requested to gather in great strength and light a candle at Sector 17 Plaza (Opposite the Fountain) CHANDIGARH , on 30 Aug at 1930 hrs for OROP.
All are requested to inform their friends in and around Chandigarh for the above . They are also requested to please approach their contacts in the media to cover the event fully ''
With Warm Regards,
Yours' Sincerely,
Brig Harwant Singh (Retd),
54 , Phase-7, MOHALI,(Punjab), INDIA.
91+98144 32554 , 91+99158 59214 and 91+172- 2270154.
This appeal is basically meant to the Hon'ble Veterans residing at or close to the Tricity of Chandigarh and those who have 'contacts' there, since the e-mail addresses of all the affected Veterans are not available . All are requested to respond to the following 'appeal' .
''AN APPEAL''
'' As the Hon'ble Veterans are aware that after the success of the ' 22 Aug Rally' at Delhi and the support rendered by the Marshal of the Air Force , the Venerable Arjan Singh, to the OROP , our the ''Cause'' has got has got a new boost and the issue of OROP has been revived . We should therefore , cash on the momentum generated and redouble our efforts to get victory (OROP).
With the above in view , ''CANDLE LIGHTING'' is being done in all major cities by ''ALL ORGANISATIONS'' of the Veterans , to get further support for the OROP . It was done at Patiala on 28 Aug with great success. Please see 'Sanjha Morcha blog' at http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/ .
This process will culminate in a huge candle light march by the Veterans around the INDIA GATE in New Delhi , later
'Candle Lighting in support of OROP' is being now conducted at the Tricity of Chandigarh on 30 Aug .
ALL Hon'ble Veterans and their friends are requested to gather in great strength and light a candle at Sector 17 Plaza (Opposite the Fountain) CHANDIGARH , on 30 Aug at 1930 hrs for OROP.
All are requested to inform their friends in and around Chandigarh for the above . They are also requested to please approach their contacts in the media to cover the event fully ''
With Warm Regards,
Yours' Sincerely,
Brig Harwant Singh (Retd),
54 , Phase-7, MOHALI,(Punjab), INDIA.
91+98144 32554 , 91+99158 59214 and 91+172- 2270154.
CANDLE LIGHT PROTEST BY TRI-CITY VETERANS FOR OROP ON 30 AUG 2010 AT SECTOR 17,CHANDIGARH AT 1930 HRS.
CANDLE LIGHT PROTEST BY TRI-CITY VETERANS FOR OROP ON 30 AUG 2010 AT SECTOR 17,CHANDIGARH AT 1930 HRS.
LETS DO IT. ENSURE MAXIMUN CROWD/numbers. LET THE CIVILAN BROTHER JOIN FOR SUPPORT TO THE BRAVE SOLDIERS. ALL TRICITY VETERANS REQUESTED TO JOIN FOR THE COMMON CAUSE IRRESPECTIVE OF OUR ASSOCIATIONS. ALL VETERAN GENERALS REQUESTED TO LEAD . CONTRIBUTE A PACKET OF CANDLE EACH and Bring Banners FOR THE PROTEST.
Requested by :---
Col RS Boparai
Brig Nawab Heer
Capt Sandhu
Brig Harwant Singh
Brig Kiran Kishan
Brig HS Ghuman
Col Bhag Singh
Major GS Gill
Cpl JS Khumbra
and All veterans EMAIL YOUR VIEWS AND SUPPORT AT : sanjhamorcha2009@gmail.com
--
With Warm Regards
Gen Secy
Ex.SERVICEMEN JOINT ACTION FRONT (Sanjha Morcha)
blog:- http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com
Chairman----Major SS Dhillon -Ex.Singnal Para-09988026822.
President---Lt Col RS Boparai-Ex.ASC-09888480786.
Joint President--Lt Col AS Bhinder-Ex-Sikh-09872301705.
Sr Vice President-Cpl JS Khumbra-Ex.IAF-09417250916.
Gen Secy-Lt Col Charanjit Singh Khera-Ex.Bengal Sappers-09988266450
Friday, August 27, 2010
One-rank One-pension will take time: Antony
25/08/2010
New Delhi: Even as ex-servicemen take the extreme step of returning their medals demanding one-rank-one-pension, the government on Wednesday clarified that it may not come very soon.
Replying to a zero hour mention by Leader of Opposition in the Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley (Bharatiya Janata Party) and supported by members across party lines including the Congress, Defence Minister A.K. Antony said that the implementation of one-rank-one-pension is an ongoing process.
"At the time we cannot implement one-rank-one-pension, but we are nearing the goal. It is a long process," Antony added.
Raising the issue, Jaitley said that though it was mentioned in the budget speech of Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, no steps have been taken so far for implementing the one-rank-one-pension system.
"Neither the 5th nor the 6th Pay Commission addressed the issue. The finance minister also indicated in his budget speech that a committee will be formed but nothing happened," Jaitley pointed out.
He also said that ex-servicemen should not take extreme steps like returning their medals.
"The medal is an honour given to them by the nation. I therefore appeal to them not to return the medals," Jaitley said.
He was supported by Communist Party of India-Marxist member Sitaram Yechury and Congress member P.J. Kurien, among others.
"I would also request the Government to look in the issue of thousands of jawans who retire before the age of 40," Kurien said.
The Defence minister, however, said that though one-rank-one-pension was still far, a number of steps have been taken by the government to ensure that ex-servicemen are benefitted.
"The Prime Minister appointed a committee to look into the issues of the ex-servicemen. The committee gave recommendations in five areas and all have been accepted," Antony said.
"Government has increased the pension of nearly 12 lakh ex-servicemen. We are also starting 197 additional polyclinics for them across the country," he pointed out.
The opposition, however, remained unsatisfied with the reply as BJP member S.S. Ahluwalia urged the government to talk to the ex-servicemen and settle the issue.
Over 5,000 ex-servicemen on Sunday returned their medals to protest the government's reluctance to accept their one-rank-one-pension demand. They also submitted a memorandum on the issue to President Pratibha Patil, the supreme commander of the armed forces.
Source: IANS
One-rank One-pension will take time: Antony
New Delhi: Even as ex-servicemen take the extreme step of returning their medals demanding one-rank-one-pension, the government on Wednesday clarified that it may not come very soon.
Replying to a zero hour mention by Leader of Opposition in the Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley (Bharatiya Janata Party) and supported by members across party lines including the Congress, Defence Minister A.K. Antony said that the implementation of one-rank-one-pension is an ongoing process.
"At the time we cannot implement one-rank-one-pension, but we are nearing the goal. It is a long process," Antony added.
Raising the issue, Jaitley said that though it was mentioned in the budget speech of Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, no steps have been taken so far for implementing the one-rank-one-pension system.
"Neither the 5th nor the 6th Pay Commission addressed the issue. The finance minister also indicated in his budget speech that a committee will be formed but nothing happened," Jaitley pointed out.
He also said that ex-servicemen should not take extreme steps like returning their medals.
"The medal is an honour given to them by the nation. I therefore appeal to them not to return the medals," Jaitley said.
He was supported by Communist Party of India-Marxist member Sitaram Yechury and Congress member P.J. Kurien, among others.
"I would also request the Government to look in the issue of thousands of jawans who retire before the age of 40," Kurien said.
The Defence minister, however, said that though one-rank-one-pension was still far, a number of steps have been taken by the government to ensure that ex-servicemen are benefitted.
"The Prime Minister appointed a committee to look into the issues of the ex-servicemen. The committee gave recommendations in five areas and all have been accepted," Antony said.
"Government has increased the pension of nearly 12 lakh ex-servicemen. We are also starting 197 additional polyclinics for them across the country," he pointed out.
The opposition, however, remained unsatisfied with the reply as BJP member S.S. Ahluwalia urged the government to talk to the ex-servicemen and settle the issue.
Over 5,000 ex-servicemen on Sunday returned their medals to protest the government's reluctance to accept their one-rank-one-pension demand. They also submitted a memorandum on the issue to President Pratibha Patil, the supreme commander of the armed forces.
Source: IANS
One-rank One-pension will take time: Antony
FEEDBACK DISCUSSION ON OROP ON PTC PUNJABI ON 26 AUG -2030 TO 2110 H
Dear All,
1. There was a very lively discussion on PTC Punjabi channel on 26 Aug at 2030h on OROP.
2. Panelists were Brig HS Ghuman,Brig Nawab Singh,Col Boparai,Prof HS Mehta,Mr Bains Media Advisor to CM Punjab.It was conducted by Mr Ritesh Lukhy.
3. I made following main points.
A. RM has said in the parliament that they were near the goal and it will take long to implement OROP.Marshal of Air Force Arjun Singh,Senior Most Serving defence Officer, has said on TV that he sat on Dharana at India gate 25 years back when he had just retired to protest for OROP.RM says it will take time,they have taken 25 years now and if they take 25 more;will they pay soldiers in cemeteries and graves?
B. ESM agitation started 30 years back,since 2008(At The Time of 6th pay Commission) IESM was formed and we agitated by returning 6000 medals,submitting Memorandum to PM signed with our blood,carried out rallies in whole country and now planning candle light marches in whole country.Still no reaction.Do they want us to agitate like Maoists?We are Disciplined soldiers and pushed to a wall,we may take any steps.
4. Following points came out from other members.
A. Financial impacts are not much.
B. Pakistan and Chinese armies pay their Veterans so well.
C. main reason for Young Cream not joining Army is that they see Veterans agitating for additional Pension.
D. Most civilians already get OROP.Rest cannot compare with defence forces.
E. Punjab Government will pass a resolution and write to Central government to grant OROP pay to Veterans,it was assured by Media advisor to CM.
F. All citizens support OROP.
G. Media and Citizens feel Government sis still not serious in granting OROP.They are still fooling soldiers.
5. I announced on PTC that we are holding candle Light March at Chandigarh on 30 Aug at 1930h at Sector 17,Fountain area.
Regards,
Brig Nawab Singh
1. There was a very lively discussion on PTC Punjabi channel on 26 Aug at 2030h on OROP.
2. Panelists were Brig HS Ghuman,Brig Nawab Singh,Col Boparai,Prof HS Mehta,Mr Bains Media Advisor to CM Punjab.It was conducted by Mr Ritesh Lukhy.
3. I made following main points.
A. RM has said in the parliament that they were near the goal and it will take long to implement OROP.Marshal of Air Force Arjun Singh,Senior Most Serving defence Officer, has said on TV that he sat on Dharana at India gate 25 years back when he had just retired to protest for OROP.RM says it will take time,they have taken 25 years now and if they take 25 more;will they pay soldiers in cemeteries and graves?
B. ESM agitation started 30 years back,since 2008(At The Time of 6th pay Commission) IESM was formed and we agitated by returning 6000 medals,submitting Memorandum to PM signed with our blood,carried out rallies in whole country and now planning candle light marches in whole country.Still no reaction.Do they want us to agitate like Maoists?We are Disciplined soldiers and pushed to a wall,we may take any steps.
4. Following points came out from other members.
A. Financial impacts are not much.
B. Pakistan and Chinese armies pay their Veterans so well.
C. main reason for Young Cream not joining Army is that they see Veterans agitating for additional Pension.
D. Most civilians already get OROP.Rest cannot compare with defence forces.
E. Punjab Government will pass a resolution and write to Central government to grant OROP pay to Veterans,it was assured by Media advisor to CM.
F. All citizens support OROP.
G. Media and Citizens feel Government sis still not serious in granting OROP.They are still fooling soldiers.
5. I announced on PTC that we are holding candle Light March at Chandigarh on 30 Aug at 1930h at Sector 17,Fountain area.
Regards,
Brig Nawab Singh
Reports in Parliament
From: Govind Srivastava [mailto:gssluck@yahoo.com]
Sent: 25 August 2010 22:59
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: MP RAJEEV CHANDRASEKHAR TO PM ON OROP - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 400/2010 - (H to Z-2) - 25 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
Sir,Today I saw an encouraging piece of news one on page 5 of 'The Pioneer' and the other on page 12 of hindi daily 'Amar Ujala'.In both the write up the RM has stated in Rajya Sabha that Govt. is in agreement with OROP and is working on it which is going to cost addl 2200 Crores to exchequer. He has requested veterans to have little more patience, as the Govt proposes to tackle this issue step by step.
I thought I wlll share tis news with you and others woh may have missed out on this.
-Govind
Maj Gen G S Srivastava A.V.S.M.
(Retd) 48 'Usman Enclave'
Sector 'O' Aliganj
Lucknow-226024
Tele:0522 2328019
Sent: 25 August 2010 22:59
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: MP RAJEEV CHANDRASEKHAR TO PM ON OROP - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 400/2010 - (H to Z-2) - 25 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
Sir,Today I saw an encouraging piece of news one on page 5 of 'The Pioneer' and the other on page 12 of hindi daily 'Amar Ujala'.In both the write up the RM has stated in Rajya Sabha that Govt. is in agreement with OROP and is working on it which is going to cost addl 2200 Crores to exchequer. He has requested veterans to have little more patience, as the Govt proposes to tackle this issue step by step.
I thought I wlll share tis news with you and others woh may have missed out on this.
-Govind
Maj Gen G S Srivastava A.V.S.M.
(Retd) 48 'Usman Enclave'
Sector 'O' Aliganj
Lucknow-226024
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Ex servicemen Returning Fake Medals by Lt Gen SK Bahri
From: Satish Kumar Bahri
Subject: Ex servicemen Returning Fake Medals
To: "Indian Express."
Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 6:55 PM
Dear Sir,
I was shocked to read the unfounded allegations by Mr Praveen Davar of the AICC ( IE, 24 Aug 2010) that members of Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) were returning fake medals and signing the memorandum with some red coloured chemical and not blood. I think Mr Davar is an ex Captain of the Army himself. By making such allegations he has proven that he was not fit to remain in the Army.
I have myself returned my genuine Param Vashist Seva Medal (PVSM), unless I was given a fake one at the Investiture Ceremony by the Supreme Commander. He is forgetting that a father not only returned his own Sena Medal but also returned his son's Shaurya Chakra, awarded posthumously. Many others have returned their Vir Chakras, Sena Medals,PVSM, AVSM and VSM along with their service medals. As regards the fake blood allegation he forgets that the blood was drawn by the para medics of Delhi's well known, Dr Lal's Path Lab. I assume that he has got the backing of the in house detective agency of the AICC ie., CBI, to make such wild allegations. AICC may be inviting legal action from ESM who have been hurt by Mr Davar's sycophantic statements.
I doubt Mr Davar has a medal he can claim as his own, otherwise he would not dare make such preposterous statements and hurt the feelings of the ESM community. They have already been hurt enough by the President and so called Supreme Commander, who has no time or feelings for her ESM.
Regards
Veteran Lt Gen SK Bahri PVSM
Subject: Ex servicemen Returning Fake Medals
To: "Indian Express."
Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 6:55 PM
Dear Sir,
I was shocked to read the unfounded allegations by Mr Praveen Davar of the AICC ( IE, 24 Aug 2010) that members of Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM) were returning fake medals and signing the memorandum with some red coloured chemical and not blood. I think Mr Davar is an ex Captain of the Army himself. By making such allegations he has proven that he was not fit to remain in the Army.
I have myself returned my genuine Param Vashist Seva Medal (PVSM), unless I was given a fake one at the Investiture Ceremony by the Supreme Commander. He is forgetting that a father not only returned his own Sena Medal but also returned his son's Shaurya Chakra, awarded posthumously. Many others have returned their Vir Chakras, Sena Medals,PVSM, AVSM and VSM along with their service medals. As regards the fake blood allegation he forgets that the blood was drawn by the para medics of Delhi's well known, Dr Lal's Path Lab. I assume that he has got the backing of the in house detective agency of the AICC ie., CBI, to make such wild allegations. AICC may be inviting legal action from ESM who have been hurt by Mr Davar's sycophantic statements.
I doubt Mr Davar has a medal he can claim as his own, otherwise he would not dare make such preposterous statements and hurt the feelings of the ESM community. They have already been hurt enough by the President and so called Supreme Commander, who has no time or feelings for her ESM.
Regards
Veteran Lt Gen SK Bahri PVSM
Fake medals letter to Mr Davar and IE by Maj Ravindran
Ravindran Major
to editor@expressindia.com
cc praveendavar@gmail.com
date Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:31 AM
subject Congress 's dirty tricks dept at it again!
This refers to the report ‘Ex-servicemen returned fake medals’ at http://www.indianexpress.com/news/exservicemen-returned-fake-medals/664072/
Thank God, Davar has exposed how the Congress party functions! Unfortunately for the congress party and fortunately for the nation, the soldiers, past and present, are too honourable and upright to think in terms of collecting fake medals and signing petitions in fake blood. Well, one doesn't know whether the Govt at the Centre, headed by the Congress for most years after 15 Aug 1947, has been/ is presenting fake medals to the soldiers.
Coming to the question of availabiltiy of fake medals in the market, doesn't the ruling party's spokesperson find anything illegal in it that needs investigation? If such medals were available in the open market then why should young soldiers sacrifice their lives for the non-existant glory attached to such medals? Those aspiring to joining the armed forces may also give this a thought!
Better still, in an attempt to discredit the leadership of IESM, by mentioning that Gen Kadyan is a senior member of the CommonWealth Games Organising Committee (CWG OC- a name that is uttered with utmost repulsion by every knowledgeable Indian!) , Davar has unwittingly added fuel to the scandal that the Govt, headed by his party, has been trying to cover up!
It is also regrettable that a media of IE's standing has published this baseless allegation without verifying the facts which it could have done easily. After all Jantar Mantar- the scene of all rights related activities- where the returning of medals and signing of the petition took place was never inaccessible to the journos who should be following the foot steps of the great Goenka, the one and only media person who had stood up to the Emergency!
Yours truly
P M Ravindran
2/18, 'Aathira', Kalpathy-678003
0491-2576042
to editor@expressindia.com
cc praveendavar@gmail.com
date Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:31 AM
subject Congress 's dirty tricks dept at it again!
This refers to the report ‘Ex-servicemen returned fake medals’ at http://www.indianexpress.com/news/exservicemen-returned-fake-medals/664072/
Thank God, Davar has exposed how the Congress party functions! Unfortunately for the congress party and fortunately for the nation, the soldiers, past and present, are too honourable and upright to think in terms of collecting fake medals and signing petitions in fake blood. Well, one doesn't know whether the Govt at the Centre, headed by the Congress for most years after 15 Aug 1947, has been/ is presenting fake medals to the soldiers.
Coming to the question of availabiltiy of fake medals in the market, doesn't the ruling party's spokesperson find anything illegal in it that needs investigation? If such medals were available in the open market then why should young soldiers sacrifice their lives for the non-existant glory attached to such medals? Those aspiring to joining the armed forces may also give this a thought!
Better still, in an attempt to discredit the leadership of IESM, by mentioning that Gen Kadyan is a senior member of the CommonWealth Games Organising Committee (CWG OC- a name that is uttered with utmost repulsion by every knowledgeable Indian!) , Davar has unwittingly added fuel to the scandal that the Govt, headed by his party, has been trying to cover up!
It is also regrettable that a media of IE's standing has published this baseless allegation without verifying the facts which it could have done easily. After all Jantar Mantar- the scene of all rights related activities- where the returning of medals and signing of the petition took place was never inaccessible to the journos who should be following the foot steps of the great Goenka, the one and only media person who had stood up to the Emergency!
Yours truly
P M Ravindran
2/18, 'Aathira', Kalpathy-678003
0491-2576042
Thanks to Shro Rajeev Chandrasekhar by Gen AJB Jaini
From: ajbjaini@hotmail.com
To: rajeev.c@nic.in
Subject: 'OROP" CAUSE - IESM CONVEYS OUR GRATITUDE TO YOU
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:33:21 +0530
Dear Mr Chandrasekhar,
It is, indeed, with our most innate gratitude, that we wish to convey our THANKFULLNESS to you for your unstinted support to our 'Cause' of 'ONE RANK - ONE PENSION'.
Let me confide in you by saying that EVERYONE of us Ex-Servicman ( ESM ) have deeply appreciated your Letter to the Prime Minister on this issue.
It is, indeed, so very noble & thoughtfull of you to have written so forcefully as you have. We only hope that the Govt will now 'sit up' & grant us our legitimate dues which have been 'dragged' into bureaucratic hassles since past 26 yrs.
Our 'Indian Ex-Serviceman Movement ' - 'IESM' has set out to 'stand up' & demand for Justice to ESM. Over the past 30 months of our existance we have succeeded in bringing the problems & injustices to centrestage.
Now, with the support of 'right thinking' political sources of power like YOU, we do hope that we will be able to get what has been due to us since ages.
THANK YOU, Sir, for all that YOU have done. The 30 Lakhs (+) of ESM in our country, as also their families, will forever remain indebted to you for your thoughtfull kindness.
Your refusal to accept the amoluments increased for an MP, is something which we appreciate as a rare gesture on your part.
The IESM Salutes you, Sir, for your indulgence in our 'Cause'.
P.S. - It will be our pleasure to meet & interact with you whenever you are in Delhi next.
With Best Wishes fm us all
Yours affly
Major General A.J.B.Jaini, AVSM ( Veteran )
Member Governing Body - IESM
09810180189
To: rajeev.c@nic.in
Subject: 'OROP" CAUSE - IESM CONVEYS OUR GRATITUDE TO YOU
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:33:21 +0530
Dear Mr Chandrasekhar,
It is, indeed, with our most innate gratitude, that we wish to convey our THANKFULLNESS to you for your unstinted support to our 'Cause' of 'ONE RANK - ONE PENSION'.
Let me confide in you by saying that EVERYONE of us Ex-Servicman ( ESM ) have deeply appreciated your Letter to the Prime Minister on this issue.
It is, indeed, so very noble & thoughtfull of you to have written so forcefully as you have. We only hope that the Govt will now 'sit up' & grant us our legitimate dues which have been 'dragged' into bureaucratic hassles since past 26 yrs.
Our 'Indian Ex-Serviceman Movement ' - 'IESM' has set out to 'stand up' & demand for Justice to ESM. Over the past 30 months of our existance we have succeeded in bringing the problems & injustices to centrestage.
Now, with the support of 'right thinking' political sources of power like YOU, we do hope that we will be able to get what has been due to us since ages.
THANK YOU, Sir, for all that YOU have done. The 30 Lakhs (+) of ESM in our country, as also their families, will forever remain indebted to you for your thoughtfull kindness.
Your refusal to accept the amoluments increased for an MP, is something which we appreciate as a rare gesture on your part.
The IESM Salutes you, Sir, for your indulgence in our 'Cause'.
P.S. - It will be our pleasure to meet & interact with you whenever you are in Delhi next.
With Best Wishes fm us all
Yours affly
Major General A.J.B.Jaini, AVSM ( Veteran )
Member Governing Body - IESM
09810180189
Pioneer, New Delhi..OROP
Subject: [MilitaryVeterans] COVERAGE BY THE PIONEER NEW DELHI REGARDING OROP
Respected Veterans:
I thought you may like to see the following news item also regarding OROP that appeared in The Pioneer, New Delhi today.
Warm regards.
Wg Cdr SC Kapor (retd)
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THE PIONEER, AUGUST 26, 2010
NATION | Thursday, August 26, 2010 | Email | Print | | Back
Address issue of one rank one pension, Govt told
Pioneer News Service | New Delhi
Members cutting across party lines on Wednesday urged the Government in the Rajya Sabha to address the issue of “one rank one pension” demanded by ex-servicemen and expressed concern over the ex-soldiers returning their medals as a mark of protest.
Defence Minister AK Antony, however, said it was not possible to implement one rank one pension in one stretch as it had several implications. The Government had implemented recommendations of a high-powered committee and more pension benefits to the soldiers were one of the steps towards one rank one pension, he said.
Raising the issue after the Question Hour, leader of Opposition Arun Jaitley maitianed it was a sad spectacle to see ex-servicemen surrendering their medals as a mark of protest on the issue.
He urged the Government to address the matter and appealed to the ex-servicemen to desist from resorting to the extreme step of surrendering their medals. The entire House supported Jaitley’s appeal.
Responding to their concerns, Antony said implementing the award in one go was difficult. “In one stretch, we will not be able to implement it but we are near that goal... It is a long process,” he said.
Respected Veterans:
I thought you may like to see the following news item also regarding OROP that appeared in The Pioneer, New Delhi today.
Warm regards.
Wg Cdr SC Kapor (retd)
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THE PIONEER, AUGUST 26, 2010
NATION | Thursday, August 26, 2010 | Email | Print | | Back
Address issue of one rank one pension, Govt told
Pioneer News Service | New Delhi
Members cutting across party lines on Wednesday urged the Government in the Rajya Sabha to address the issue of “one rank one pension” demanded by ex-servicemen and expressed concern over the ex-soldiers returning their medals as a mark of protest.
Defence Minister AK Antony, however, said it was not possible to implement one rank one pension in one stretch as it had several implications. The Government had implemented recommendations of a high-powered committee and more pension benefits to the soldiers were one of the steps towards one rank one pension, he said.
Raising the issue after the Question Hour, leader of Opposition Arun Jaitley maitianed it was a sad spectacle to see ex-servicemen surrendering their medals as a mark of protest on the issue.
He urged the Government to address the matter and appealed to the ex-servicemen to desist from resorting to the extreme step of surrendering their medals. The entire House supported Jaitley’s appeal.
Responding to their concerns, Antony said implementing the award in one go was difficult. “In one stretch, we will not be able to implement it but we are near that goal... It is a long process,” he said.
Marshal of the Air arjun Singh speaks for OROP
Marshal of the Air Arjun singh on TV programme on OROPDear Veterans,
Every Veteran would have been busy listening to Maj Gen Satbir Singh's 9.30 interview on NDTV. Though he could not reach the studio, his voice could be heard loud & clear. The transcript may also be made available in a couple of days.
I was fortunate to see the interview in 'Times Now' of Marshall of the Air Force, Arjan Singh, the senior most veteran amongst us today, conducted by Arnab Gosami at about 9.15 pm.
The Marshall was categorical & emphatic in his views:-
The demand of OROP is absolutely legitimate.
The Veterans are demanding this for the past 26 years.
26 years back, he himself was involved in one of the stirs, when VP Singh was forced to have a conciliatory dialogue with the agitating ESM.
On a question from Arnab, he said that the return of medals is not a good thing & he is very disappointed for having come to such a pass. However, such an act should be viewed as sending a strong message by the Veterans & nothing more to it.
On another question whether the Central Govt Servants may also resort to such demand, he said that the criteria of soldiers are entirely different than those of Civil Servants. The two, therefore, are not comparable at all.
In both the interviews, the browbeating of the Govt by the MPs into submission, figured. They have now got Rs 10,000/- more to their already secured 300% hike. We wish them well & hopefully, atleast from now on, they will start discharging their constitutional duties.
But they had succeeded in initiating the domino effect. Now, the Members of Legislative Assemblies of various States, have laid their claim on similar lines.
The impact of the IESM Rally on 22 August, has really caught on the imagination of the Media of both versions.The Hindu & Sun TV have also come out with full coverage.
Gen Raj Kadyan's mail today exhibits the similar buyoncy, getting a word of support from a Police Officer, who said that we deserve it.
Veteran Raman
Col (Retd) TN Raman
E5/230, AWHO Parameswaran Vihar,
67, Arcot Road, Saligramam,
Chennai 600093
Ph: 044-42013210
Fernce Sitters by Col Kirit
Dear All,
I have led the MEDAL DEPOSITING TEAM 5 times. Every time, not only the police but the staff present at Rashtrapati Bhawan have fully supported our close.
Last night at 1025 PM , i recieved 5 calls from my Sr civilian friends,
to inform me about programme on OROP on TIMES NOW . This speaks
of awareness and support from other quarters. which we were looking for.
Rally , and intervews by Satbir and Raj have been very well recieved by
all sections of society apart from ESM community.
Mr Salve`s presence and his concern was heart warming. His offer for legal assistence need to be discussed and deliberated for obvious reasons , which i am sure Gov Body would do.
Hope and pray that fence sitters particularly among officer class, quite a few of them inquiring when we come across, "" ARE BHAI, YEH BATAO KEH KUCH HOGA? AUR HUM KO KYA MILEGA?', ALSO JOIN US TO STRENTHEN OUR MOVE MENT.Just see how all MsP and MsLA and burearocrats join to gather , forgetting their differences for common cause-- increase in salary!!! ESM community should also learn from them.
Regards,
kirit
I have led the MEDAL DEPOSITING TEAM 5 times. Every time, not only the police but the staff present at Rashtrapati Bhawan have fully supported our close.
Last night at 1025 PM , i recieved 5 calls from my Sr civilian friends,
to inform me about programme on OROP on TIMES NOW . This speaks
of awareness and support from other quarters. which we were looking for.
Rally , and intervews by Satbir and Raj have been very well recieved by
all sections of society apart from ESM community.
Mr Salve`s presence and his concern was heart warming. His offer for legal assistence need to be discussed and deliberated for obvious reasons , which i am sure Gov Body would do.
Hope and pray that fence sitters particularly among officer class, quite a few of them inquiring when we come across, "" ARE BHAI, YEH BATAO KEH KUCH HOGA? AUR HUM KO KYA MILEGA?', ALSO JOIN US TO STRENTHEN OUR MOVE MENT.Just see how all MsP and MsLA and burearocrats join to gather , forgetting their differences for common cause-- increase in salary!!! ESM community should also learn from them.
Regards,
kirit
Fence Sitters....
YES, Kirit.
To add to what YOU said, I too got calls fm friends in Pune, Ahmedabad, Nagpur, Lucknow , Jaipur & as far away as Tejpur ( Assam ) to say that they had seen the TV Pgmes & read newspaper reports about our IESM Rally of 22nd.
Only goes to show that not only is IESM becoming more & MORE visible, but also the 'Cause' of our ESM is being understood & supported by more & MORE people -- including the higher ups in the 'Est'.
We are Surely & Deffinitely succeeding in creating that 'Sensitisation' of the Environment which is the first step towards the materialisation of our Aims & Objectives.
Well, those 'Fence Sitters' who only 'watch & ask' that " Hemen Kya Milega ?", need to be clearly told what they will exactly get in case they continue with their 'sit aside - could'nt care less' attitude !!
Maj General Jaini, AVSM ( Veteran )
To add to what YOU said, I too got calls fm friends in Pune, Ahmedabad, Nagpur, Lucknow , Jaipur & as far away as Tejpur ( Assam ) to say that they had seen the TV Pgmes & read newspaper reports about our IESM Rally of 22nd.
Only goes to show that not only is IESM becoming more & MORE visible, but also the 'Cause' of our ESM is being understood & supported by more & MORE people -- including the higher ups in the 'Est'.
We are Surely & Deffinitely succeeding in creating that 'Sensitisation' of the Environment which is the first step towards the materialisation of our Aims & Objectives.
Well, those 'Fence Sitters' who only 'watch & ask' that " Hemen Kya Milega ?", need to be clearly told what they will exactly get in case they continue with their 'sit aside - could'nt care less' attitude !!
Maj General Jaini, AVSM ( Veteran )
News from UK on 22 Aug 2010 Rally by Brig Harwant singh
Dear Friends ,
Here in the UK one was following the preparations for and conduct of the 22 Aug Rally . My heartiest congratulations to ALL the organisers and PARTICIPANTS who made the Rally a grand success.
The media coverage was simply fantastic .
Grateful thanks to the Marshal of the Airforce , the Venerable Arjan Singh for his full support to the OROP
With Warm Regards,
Yours' Sincerely,
Brig Harwant Singh (Retd),
54 , Phase-7, MOHALI,(Punjab), INDIA
Main aspects of one-rank one-pension addressed
http://www.zeenews.com/news650447.html
'Main aspects of one-rank one-pension addressed'
Updated on Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 22:34
New Delhi: With ex-servicemen protesting over the one-rank one-pension issue, Government today said the main aspects of the demand have already been addressed which are benefiting around 12 lakh personnel.
"The main aspects have already been addressed in-principle and there has been a substantial addressing of the issue and I think 12 lakh personnel below officer rank have benefitted because of these decisions," Minister of State for Defence M M Pallam Raju said here.
Ex-servicemen have been demanding equal pension for personnel retiring from the same rank irrespective of their date of retirement. Persons retiring before the pay commission cut-off date get lesser pension than those retiring after that date.
Recently, while replying to a Parliamentary query, Raju had stated that government had accepted several recommendations of a Committee looking into the 'one rank one pension' demand to improve benefits of armed forces pensioners.
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'Main aspects of one-rank one-pension addressed'
Updated on Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 22:34
New Delhi: With ex-servicemen protesting over the one-rank one-pension issue, Government today said the main aspects of the demand have already been addressed which are benefiting around 12 lakh personnel.
"The main aspects have already been addressed in-principle and there has been a substantial addressing of the issue and I think 12 lakh personnel below officer rank have benefitted because of these decisions," Minister of State for Defence M M Pallam Raju said here.
Ex-servicemen have been demanding equal pension for personnel retiring from the same rank irrespective of their date of retirement. Persons retiring before the pay commission cut-off date get lesser pension than those retiring after that date.
Recently, while replying to a Parliamentary query, Raju had stated that government had accepted several recommendations of a Committee looking into the 'one rank one pension' demand to improve benefits of armed forces pensioners.
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Harish Salve offers legal help for OROP
Rahul Mudholkar wrote:
Sir,
While I am sure you already know of it just on the off chance that you had missed the debate yesterday the 23/08/2010 on Times Now regarding the one rank one pension demand, the former solicitor GEneral Shri. Harish Salve stated he was willing to offer any legal assistance to your cause. Since there are so many petitions for one rank one pay/pension pending in the supreme court and the government seems fixeated on playing for time I do sincerely hope you take Mr. Salve up on his offer. Due to his vast experience he may well be able to speed things along and if you request him to clearly include any pensioner of the same rank (as the government has a habit of only paying those who fought the litigation) he may well be able to get the court to grant relief to all those afftected.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
Rahul Mudholkar,
Pune
Sir,
While I am sure you already know of it just on the off chance that you had missed the debate yesterday the 23/08/2010 on Times Now regarding the one rank one pension demand, the former solicitor GEneral Shri. Harish Salve stated he was willing to offer any legal assistance to your cause. Since there are so many petitions for one rank one pay/pension pending in the supreme court and the government seems fixeated on playing for time I do sincerely hope you take Mr. Salve up on his offer. Due to his vast experience he may well be able to speed things along and if you request him to clearly include any pensioner of the same rank (as the government has a habit of only paying those who fought the litigation) he may well be able to get the court to grant relief to all those afftected.
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely,
Rahul Mudholkar,
Pune
IESM fires broadside at Cong on fake medals issue
Respected Sir,
The following report -- released by the United News of India news agency on August 24, 2010 -- is for your kind perusal.
With regards
Abhi
IESM fires broadside at Cong on fake medals issue
By Abhijit C Chandra
Bhopal, Aug 24 (UNI) The Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement has taken exception to the Congress ESM Welfare Cell alleging that veterans carried fake medals for depositing to President Pratibha Devisingh Patil in protest against the Centre not looking after its defence forces that have been ''pillars of strength'' for Indian democracy.
The President did not receive the delegation, which returned with the medals.
''The statement is dangerous and is sending a wrong signal to the nation. Just imagine how it would have hurt a Shaurya Chakra recipient martyr's mother who was part of the delegation. We were carrying 6,000 medals including those with which war heroes were decorated,'' IESM Vice-Chairman Major-General (Retd) Satbir Singh, Sena Medal, told UNI over telephone.
IESM Chairman Lieutenant-General (Retd) Raj Kadyan, Param Vishisht Seva Medal, led a delegation to Rashtrapati Bhavan on Sunday to deposit the medals and submit a memorandum signed in blood.
In a letter to the President, the veteran said, ''it is earnestly hoped that the Supreme Commander would relent and receive the delegation in person. However, should that unfortunately not happen... the delegation would return without depositing the medals and the memorandum.''
''The Cell also alleged that fake blood was utilised to ink the memorandum while the truth is I was among the first to donate and a prestigious laboratory's employees were also present on the scene to supervise the blood donation. I beseech the collective conscience of the nation not to berate the services,'' Maj-Gen Singh appealed.
The recent judgements of the Supreme Court, high courts and Armed Forces tribunals clearly reveal the ''grave injustice, apathetic attitude and arrogance of the Government and the bureaucracy,'' Maj-Gen Singh said.
The fact that the all-party Standing Committee on Defence -- after taking into consideration the reasons given by the Centre for not accepting veterans' main demand of One Rank One Pension -- has strongly recommended grant of OROP to defence personnel holistically in its report tabled in Parliament on May 7, proves the genuineness of their demand, he added.
The collection of medals and signing of the memorandum took place
at Jantar Mantar from 1100 to 1400 hrs.
The following report -- released by the United News of India news agency on August 24, 2010 -- is for your kind perusal.
With regards
Abhi
IESM fires broadside at Cong on fake medals issue
By Abhijit C Chandra
Bhopal, Aug 24 (UNI) The Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement has taken exception to the Congress ESM Welfare Cell alleging that veterans carried fake medals for depositing to President Pratibha Devisingh Patil in protest against the Centre not looking after its defence forces that have been ''pillars of strength'' for Indian democracy.
The President did not receive the delegation, which returned with the medals.
''The statement is dangerous and is sending a wrong signal to the nation. Just imagine how it would have hurt a Shaurya Chakra recipient martyr's mother who was part of the delegation. We were carrying 6,000 medals including those with which war heroes were decorated,'' IESM Vice-Chairman Major-General (Retd) Satbir Singh, Sena Medal, told UNI over telephone.
IESM Chairman Lieutenant-General (Retd) Raj Kadyan, Param Vishisht Seva Medal, led a delegation to Rashtrapati Bhavan on Sunday to deposit the medals and submit a memorandum signed in blood.
In a letter to the President, the veteran said, ''it is earnestly hoped that the Supreme Commander would relent and receive the delegation in person. However, should that unfortunately not happen... the delegation would return without depositing the medals and the memorandum.''
''The Cell also alleged that fake blood was utilised to ink the memorandum while the truth is I was among the first to donate and a prestigious laboratory's employees were also present on the scene to supervise the blood donation. I beseech the collective conscience of the nation not to berate the services,'' Maj-Gen Singh appealed.
The recent judgements of the Supreme Court, high courts and Armed Forces tribunals clearly reveal the ''grave injustice, apathetic attitude and arrogance of the Government and the bureaucracy,'' Maj-Gen Singh said.
The fact that the all-party Standing Committee on Defence -- after taking into consideration the reasons given by the Centre for not accepting veterans' main demand of One Rank One Pension -- has strongly recommended grant of OROP to defence personnel holistically in its report tabled in Parliament on May 7, proves the genuineness of their demand, he added.
The collection of medals and signing of the memorandum took place
at Jantar Mantar from 1100 to 1400 hrs.
New members for IESM at Pune
From: raviwarsha@hotmail.com
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
CC: DELETED
Subject: Membership
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:27:00 +0530
Dear Sir
On 23 Aug i have registered the following members online
PO Dalvi
Cdr N J Chitnis
Sgt Dombale
Capt A Thosar
Surg Cdr Bhagwat
The following Leh donations have been deposited
Maj Gen Pandya 1000/-
Maj Gen D Kapil 2000/-
D S Yadwad PO 1000/-
Donation form of Lt C ol R K Sinha is enclosed.Kindly make entry and issue receipt.This is for IESM and NOT LEH.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Ravindra Waman Pathak(Mobile 919822329340
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
CC: DELETED
Subject: Membership
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:27:00 +0530
Dear Sir
On 23 Aug i have registered the following members online
PO Dalvi
Cdr N J Chitnis
Sgt Dombale
Capt A Thosar
Surg Cdr Bhagwat
The following Leh donations have been deposited
Maj Gen Pandya 1000/-
Maj Gen D Kapil 2000/-
D S Yadwad PO 1000/-
Donation form of Lt C ol R K Sinha is enclosed.Kindly make entry and issue receipt.This is for IESM and NOT LEH.
Brgds
R W Pathak
Ravindra Waman Pathak(Mobile 919822329340
NDTV programme by Col Baba
From: Baba Tiruvalam [mailto:tnb369@hotmail.com]
Sent: 23 August 2010 12:26
To: militaryveterans yahoogroup
Cc: General rajkadyan; Chander Kambhoj; Chander Kamboj; gensatbir singh
Subject: RE: [MilitaryVeterans] Please Watch NDTV India (Hindi) Tonight 2130 hrs
Importance: High
Very Good despite the fact it was only audio of Gen Satbir and not Video. His booming voice and clarity of points were very good.
Subsequent to that in my browsing I found a programme on OROP in Times Now at about 1035 p.m. Gen Kadyan, Col Inderjit, Gen JFR Jacob and Mr Salve were there. Very good programme to bring out the issue of OROP. Very heartening to hear Mr. Salve supporting our cause and willing to extend his support. He only had a point that the returning of medals was not correcct since these medals are given to the soldiers by the people of India and not any individual in the Govt. Gen Kadyan did not get a chance to respond to that immediately. But when he did get a chance to respond he thanked Mr Salve for his support. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT HE FAILED TO CLARIFY THAT THESE MEDALS ARE NOT RETURNED BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THEY ARE DEPOSITED WITH THE SUPREME COMMANDER AS A FORM OF PROTEST TILL WE GET OROP.
I wish he had done that.
Best regards,
Baba
Col. T N Baba (Veteran)
U 26C/11 Ground Floor
DLF City Phase III
Gurgaon - 122002
Haryana
India
91 9899692649
Sent: 23 August 2010 12:26
To: militaryveterans yahoogroup
Cc: General rajkadyan; Chander Kambhoj; Chander Kamboj; gensatbir singh
Subject: RE: [MilitaryVeterans] Please Watch NDTV India (Hindi) Tonight 2130 hrs
Importance: High
Very Good despite the fact it was only audio of Gen Satbir and not Video. His booming voice and clarity of points were very good.
Subsequent to that in my browsing I found a programme on OROP in Times Now at about 1035 p.m. Gen Kadyan, Col Inderjit, Gen JFR Jacob and Mr Salve were there. Very good programme to bring out the issue of OROP. Very heartening to hear Mr. Salve supporting our cause and willing to extend his support. He only had a point that the returning of medals was not correcct since these medals are given to the soldiers by the people of India and not any individual in the Govt. Gen Kadyan did not get a chance to respond to that immediately. But when he did get a chance to respond he thanked Mr Salve for his support. IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT HE FAILED TO CLARIFY THAT THESE MEDALS ARE NOT RETURNED BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THEY ARE DEPOSITED WITH THE SUPREME COMMANDER AS A FORM OF PROTEST TILL WE GET OROP.
I wish he had done that.
Best regards,
Baba
Col. T N Baba (Veteran)
U 26C/11 Ground Floor
DLF City Phase III
Gurgaon - 122002
Haryana
India
91 9899692649
Amar Ujala
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; sharansahuja@gmail.com
From: lkbatra@rediffmail.com
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:01:15 -0700
Subject: A. Ujala : ‘वन रैंक,वन पेंशन’ की मांग को लेकर प्रदर्शन
Amar Ujala
23 Aug 2010
http://www.amarujala.com/National/One%20rank%20one%20pension%20demand%20over%20the%20performance-2504.html
‘वन रैंक,वन पेंशन’ की मांग को लेकर प्रदर्शन
नई दिल्ली।
Monday, August 23, 2010 12:26 AM
‘वन रैंक, वन पेंशन’ की मांग को लेकर देशभर के 2000 से अधिक पूर्व सैनिकों ने रविवार को राजधानी में प्रदर्शन किया और इस संबंध में राष्ट्रपति प्रतिभा पाटिल के नाम एक ज्ञापन सौंपा। जंतर-मंतर पर प्रदर्शन के बाद ये पूर्व सैनिक 6 हजार मेडल और 1.25 लाख पूर्व सैनिकों के खून से हस्ताक्षर युक्त ज्ञापन राष्ट्रपति को सौंपने पहुंचे थे, लेकिन ‘महामहिम’ से मुलाकात नहीं हो सकी। इस कारण वे अपने मेडल तो वापस ले आए, लेकिन मांग से संबंधित ज्ञापन राष्ट्रपति के प्रतिनिधि को सौंपा।
पूर्व सैनिकों के योगदान का अपमान
इंडियन एक्स सर्विसमैन मूवमेंट के चेयरमैन रिटायर्ड जनरल राज कादयान और उप चेयरमैन सतवीर सिंह ने कहा कि ‘वन रैंक-वन पेंशन’ को लागू नहीं कर देश में पूर्व सैनिकों के योगदान का अपमान किया जा रहा है। हम पिछले 26 साल से यह मांग कर रहे हैं। पूर्व सैनिकों की विधवाओं को इसके कारण कम पेंशन में गुजारा करना पड़ रहा है। उन्होंने कहा कि सीनियर रैंक के सैनिकों को क्लर्क के बराबर ओहदा देना गलत है। पूर्व सैनिकों की मांगों को सुनने के लिए सैनिक कमीशन गठित किया जाना चाहिए। यदि हमारी मांगे जल्द पूरी नहीं की गईं तो पूरे देश में आंदोलन तेज किया जाएगा।
अमर उजाला ब्यूरो
From: lkbatra@rediffmail.com
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:01:15 -0700
Subject: A. Ujala : ‘वन रैंक,वन पेंशन’ की मांग को लेकर प्रदर्शन
Amar Ujala
23 Aug 2010
http://www.amarujala.com/National/One%20rank%20one%20pension%20demand%20over%20the%20performance-2504.html
‘वन रैंक,वन पेंशन’ की मांग को लेकर प्रदर्शन
नई दिल्ली।
Monday, August 23, 2010 12:26 AM
‘वन रैंक, वन पेंशन’ की मांग को लेकर देशभर के 2000 से अधिक पूर्व सैनिकों ने रविवार को राजधानी में प्रदर्शन किया और इस संबंध में राष्ट्रपति प्रतिभा पाटिल के नाम एक ज्ञापन सौंपा। जंतर-मंतर पर प्रदर्शन के बाद ये पूर्व सैनिक 6 हजार मेडल और 1.25 लाख पूर्व सैनिकों के खून से हस्ताक्षर युक्त ज्ञापन राष्ट्रपति को सौंपने पहुंचे थे, लेकिन ‘महामहिम’ से मुलाकात नहीं हो सकी। इस कारण वे अपने मेडल तो वापस ले आए, लेकिन मांग से संबंधित ज्ञापन राष्ट्रपति के प्रतिनिधि को सौंपा।
पूर्व सैनिकों के योगदान का अपमान
इंडियन एक्स सर्विसमैन मूवमेंट के चेयरमैन रिटायर्ड जनरल राज कादयान और उप चेयरमैन सतवीर सिंह ने कहा कि ‘वन रैंक-वन पेंशन’ को लागू नहीं कर देश में पूर्व सैनिकों के योगदान का अपमान किया जा रहा है। हम पिछले 26 साल से यह मांग कर रहे हैं। पूर्व सैनिकों की विधवाओं को इसके कारण कम पेंशन में गुजारा करना पड़ रहा है। उन्होंने कहा कि सीनियर रैंक के सैनिकों को क्लर्क के बराबर ओहदा देना गलत है। पूर्व सैनिकों की मांगों को सुनने के लिए सैनिक कमीशन गठित किया जाना चाहिए। यदि हमारी मांगे जल्द पूरी नहीं की गईं तो पूरे देश में आंदोलन तेज किया जाएगा।
अमर उजाला ब्यूरो
Donations Rs 5000 for Leh by Brig Ishwar Chandra
From: ishwar chandra [mailto:ishwar.chandra345@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 23 August 2010 11:16
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: seekayess@gmail.com; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: LEH RELIEF
Dear General,
Today I have transferred Rs 5000 in HDFC Bank,Karkhana,Secunderabad in a/c no 06162000001330 from a/c 15551930001210 towards Leh Relief.
My particulars are ishwar.chandra345@yahooco.in
Brig Ishwar Chandra (Retd),
Flat No 4, Sterling Villa,
C-23 Vikrampuri,
Secunderabad 500009 (A.P.)
With regards,
Ishwar Chandra
Sent: 23 August 2010 11:16
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: seekayess@gmail.com; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: LEH RELIEF
Dear General,
Today I have transferred Rs 5000 in HDFC Bank,Karkhana,Secunderabad in a/c no 06162000001330 from a/c 15551930001210 towards Leh Relief.
My particulars are ishwar.chandra345@yahooco.in
Brig Ishwar Chandra (Retd),
Flat No 4, Sterling Villa,
C-23 Vikrampuri,
Secunderabad 500009 (A.P.)
With regards,
Ishwar Chandra
Monday, August 23, 2010
Donation Rs. 2000 for Leh by Lt Col SC Bali
From: subhash bali [mailto:balisc48@hotmail.com]
Sent: 20 August 2010 23:16
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: seekayess@gmail.com; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: RE: AN APPEAL HELP FOR SUFFERING COUNTRYMEN IN LEH
Dear General,
Please refer to your trailing email.
I have today electronically transferred Rs 2000/- as my humble contribution towards Leh Relief.
With warm regards
Lt Col(Retd) SC Bali,SM
(Membership No 000378L)
Sent: 20 August 2010 23:16
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: seekayess@gmail.com; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: RE: AN APPEAL HELP FOR SUFFERING COUNTRYMEN IN LEH
Dear General,
Please refer to your trailing email.
I have today electronically transferred Rs 2000/- as my humble contribution towards Leh Relief.
With warm regards
Lt Col(Retd) SC Bali,SM
(Membership No 000378L)
Donation of Rs 2000 Leh by Gp Capt Joe Noronha
On 21 August 2010 10:48, Joe Noronha wrote:
Dear Wg Cdr CK Sharma,
Please accept my small contribution of Rs 2000 on 21/08/2010 at 10:37 AM from BoB account No 04930100006207 vide transaction No 917883 to IESM HDFC account. It is for Leh Relief.
Thanks!
Gp Capt (Retd) Joe Noronha
Dear Wg Cdr CK Sharma,
Please accept my small contribution of Rs 2000 on 21/08/2010 at 10:37 AM from BoB account No 04930100006207 vide transaction No 917883 to IESM HDFC account. It is for Leh Relief.
Thanks!
Gp Capt (Retd) Joe Noronha
Donation Rs. 10000 for LEh by Lt Col Gautam Prasad
From: Lt. Col Gautam Prasad [mailto:colgsprasad@rediffmail.com]
Sent: 21 August 2010 07:25
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: DONATIONS FOR LEH WILL GET EXEMPTION UNDER 80G OF THE INCOMETAX ACT - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 368/2010 - (H to Z-1) - 14 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
Dear Brig Kamboj:
I have today, through my letter No. GSP/01/LEH dated 21 August 2010, sent a crossed, Account Payee, Central Bank of India, cheque No. 001122 dated 20 August 2010 payable to "Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement A/C No. 06162000001330" for a sum of Rs. 10,000/= (Rupees ten thousand only) by courier as my humble contribution for Leh Relief.
With best regards,
Lt Col GS Prasad (Veteran)
Sent: 21 August 2010 07:25
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: DONATIONS FOR LEH WILL GET EXEMPTION UNDER 80G OF THE INCOMETAX ACT - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 368/2010 - (H to Z-1) - 14 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
Dear Brig Kamboj:
I have today, through my letter No. GSP/01/LEH dated 21 August 2010, sent a crossed, Account Payee, Central Bank of India, cheque No. 001122 dated 20 August 2010 payable to "Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement A/C No. 06162000001330" for a sum of Rs. 10,000/= (Rupees ten thousand only) by courier as my humble contribution for Leh Relief.
With best regards,
Lt Col GS Prasad (Veteran)
MINIMUM GUARANTEED PENSION
From: swastikgreens swastikgreens@airtelmail.in
Sent: 22 August 2010 06:10
To: ambreeshaggarwal@hotmail.com
Cc: 'avtar singh'; Kamboj Chander
Subject: MINIMUM GUARANTEED PENSION
Dear Wg Cdr Aggarwal,
Thank you for putting us all wise on the minimum guaranteed pension ofRs.25,700/=p.m.for pre 1.1.2006 retirees.
May be not many of us knew about it and have been having a tough time.I retired in 1981 and am getting Rs.15,700/= all told.
It doesn’t speak too well of people who should be caring for us.The Boss trying to tone up the internal health of the force isOK but what about its honour and its belly?
If we cant get our force what the courts order then what extra can be expected ?
Thee need of the hour is for each service to have a separate legal deparment to ensure speedy implementation of court orders instead of individual officers running to the courts.The MoD will not like it but the serving bosses ,to-morrowsveterans,will have to show they care for the troops. What else is COMMAND ?
A LEGAL AID FOR IMPLEMENTAION under the J A G has become the crying need of the day.
LET US SHOW WE CARE
Major Mehandru
Sent: 22 August 2010 06:10
To: ambreeshaggarwal@hotmail.com
Cc: 'avtar singh'; Kamboj Chander
Subject: MINIMUM GUARANTEED PENSION
Dear Wg Cdr Aggarwal,
Thank you for putting us all wise on the minimum guaranteed pension ofRs.25,700/=p.m.for pre 1.1.2006 retirees.
May be not many of us knew about it and have been having a tough time.I retired in 1981 and am getting Rs.15,700/= all told.
It doesn’t speak too well of people who should be caring for us.The Boss trying to tone up the internal health of the force isOK but what about its honour and its belly?
If we cant get our force what the courts order then what extra can be expected ?
Thee need of the hour is for each service to have a separate legal deparment to ensure speedy implementation of court orders instead of individual officers running to the courts.The MoD will not like it but the serving bosses ,to-morrowsveterans,will have to show they care for the troops. What else is COMMAND ?
A LEGAL AID FOR IMPLEMENTAION under the J A G has become the crying need of the day.
LET US SHOW WE CARE
Major Mehandru
Mail from Col BK Rai
From: Bhanu Kumar Rai [mailto:bkrai2005@yahoo.com]
Sent: 21 August 2010 02:45
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: SOME OF THE EMAILS RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 388/2010 - (H to Z-2) - 20 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
(The email below pertains to the article by Gen Jacob – Chander Kamboj)
I, as a young Signals Officer was sent to Wellington to provide communications for 'Telephone Battle' excercises in 1952. For a month or so I was put up in the Nilgiri Bungalow, where the other occupants (all singles) were then Majors Jacob, Furtado, and Munshi. Gen Jacob commanded the Arty School during partition, was it then a Major's Command?
I was in Calcutta till Dec 70 and was in regular touch with Gen JS Arora, the Army Commander, who used to go round to the Quality Assurance detachments under my command at Philips, Union Carbide, Fort Gloster, J Stone & Co. etc. His visits to my unit every alternate Saturday had become a ritual.
I opted for premature retirement, which was first refused and later arranged by Gen Arora. During that time Brig Bhasin was the CSO. Gen Jacob himself drafted my application for premature retirement as requested by Gen Arora. I often met ran into him at shops dealing in second hand goods and antiques around Russel Street; I was looking for furniture and he for antiques. He may not remember me because I became acivilian when the war was being fought in Bangla Desh. I ran into him a few times at the India International Centre and at Som Vihar and he did not place me. I would seek his pardon for my impertinence.
I was privy to few things during informal chats with Gen Arora, which do not quite tally with Gen jacob's account as given by him in the interview with Karan Thapar a few months back. It is intriguing that in the inteview with Karan Thapar, there was hardly any mention of Gen Arora and an impression was created that he was getting orders from Field Marshal Maneckshaw and did all the stategic planning and took all crucial decisions resulting in the historic victory. A replay of the interview would probably show this.
I am a small fry and was hesitant to raise these doubts. Perhaps Gen Jacob may be requested to throw some light on these ponts to shut up doubting Thomases like me.
_BK Rai
(Col BK Rai, Former Secretary to Government of India, 3rd Graduates Course of the IMA, Premature Retirement in 1970, B Tech from IT BHU, Post Gradute from IISc Bangalore, Founder Chairman of UPTRON Group, Founder Chairman of HCL and over 20 other companies, Distinguished Fellow and Former President of IETE, Former Treasurer and a Fellow of the Indian National Academy of Engineering, For ten years Advisor electronics to RP Goenka, Hari Shankar Singhania, MH Dalmia and others. For a dozen years Member of the Task Force of the Dept of Public Enterprises and Chairman of the Electronics Group (BEL, ITI, MTNL, BSNL, ECIL , CMC etc.), For seven years Chairman of the Services Group (STC, MMTC, PEC, ITPO, ITDC etc.),Director of the HOTLINE Group Companies for 16 years. Now settled in Bangalore.)
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Sent: 21 August 2010 02:45
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: SOME OF THE EMAILS RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 388/2010 - (H to Z-2) - 20 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
(The email below pertains to the article by Gen Jacob – Chander Kamboj)
I, as a young Signals Officer was sent to Wellington to provide communications for 'Telephone Battle' excercises in 1952. For a month or so I was put up in the Nilgiri Bungalow, where the other occupants (all singles) were then Majors Jacob, Furtado, and Munshi. Gen Jacob commanded the Arty School during partition, was it then a Major's Command?
I was in Calcutta till Dec 70 and was in regular touch with Gen JS Arora, the Army Commander, who used to go round to the Quality Assurance detachments under my command at Philips, Union Carbide, Fort Gloster, J Stone & Co. etc. His visits to my unit every alternate Saturday had become a ritual.
I opted for premature retirement, which was first refused and later arranged by Gen Arora. During that time Brig Bhasin was the CSO. Gen Jacob himself drafted my application for premature retirement as requested by Gen Arora. I often met ran into him at shops dealing in second hand goods and antiques around Russel Street; I was looking for furniture and he for antiques. He may not remember me because I became acivilian when the war was being fought in Bangla Desh. I ran into him a few times at the India International Centre and at Som Vihar and he did not place me. I would seek his pardon for my impertinence.
I was privy to few things during informal chats with Gen Arora, which do not quite tally with Gen jacob's account as given by him in the interview with Karan Thapar a few months back. It is intriguing that in the inteview with Karan Thapar, there was hardly any mention of Gen Arora and an impression was created that he was getting orders from Field Marshal Maneckshaw and did all the stategic planning and took all crucial decisions resulting in the historic victory. A replay of the interview would probably show this.
I am a small fry and was hesitant to raise these doubts. Perhaps Gen Jacob may be requested to throw some light on these ponts to shut up doubting Thomases like me.
_BK Rai
(Col BK Rai, Former Secretary to Government of India, 3rd Graduates Course of the IMA, Premature Retirement in 1970, B Tech from IT BHU, Post Gradute from IISc Bangalore, Founder Chairman of UPTRON Group, Founder Chairman of HCL and over 20 other companies, Distinguished Fellow and Former President of IETE, Former Treasurer and a Fellow of the Indian National Academy of Engineering, For ten years Advisor electronics to RP Goenka, Hari Shankar Singhania, MH Dalmia and others. For a dozen years Member of the Task Force of the Dept of Public Enterprises and Chairman of the Electronics Group (BEL, ITI, MTNL, BSNL, ECIL , CMC etc.), For seven years Chairman of the Services Group (STC, MMTC, PEC, ITPO, ITDC etc.),Director of the HOTLINE Group Companies for 16 years. Now settled in Bangalore.)
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TV DEBATE "TIMES NOW" ON 20 AUG 10 by Brig SS Jaswal
From: Brig S S Jaswal [mailto:jaswal972@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 21 August 2010 02:59
To: DELETED
Subject: TV DEBATE "TIMES NOW" ON 20 AUG 10- "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 387/2010 - (H to Z-2) - 20 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
A very lively debate which I also saw on Times Now TV.The Govt (Congress) was put to shame to deny legitimate salaries to the Armed Forces even after the Supreme Court has approved the cases.But `netas & babus` have appealed again for a review by the SC.How shameless can the Govt be,especially the `clueless` PM, the `lost` RM & the `wily` FM.
Only God can save this Nation - look at the `mess` of the CWG - corruption everywhere.
Can the PM/FM/UPA Chairperson/Congress feign ignorance- Congress is synonmous with corruption !!!
Brig SS Jaswal, Veteran Madras Sapper,
IESM, Panchkula.
Sent: 21 August 2010 02:59
To: DELETED
Subject: TV DEBATE "TIMES NOW" ON 20 AUG 10- "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 387/2010 - (H to Z-2) - 20 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
A very lively debate which I also saw on Times Now TV.The Govt (Congress) was put to shame to deny legitimate salaries to the Armed Forces even after the Supreme Court has approved the cases.But `netas & babus` have appealed again for a review by the SC.How shameless can the Govt be,especially the `clueless` PM, the `lost` RM & the `wily` FM.
Only God can save this Nation - look at the `mess` of the CWG - corruption everywhere.
Can the PM/FM/UPA Chairperson/Congress feign ignorance- Congress is synonmous with corruption !!!
Brig SS Jaswal, Veteran Madras Sapper,
IESM, Panchkula.
TIMES NOW TV DEBATE ON MP'S SALARY by Brig Dharam Prakash
From: Brigadier Dharam Prakash
Date: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Subject: TIMES NOW TV DEBATE ON MP'S SALARY
To: a.singhvi@sansad.nic.in
Dr Abhiskek Singhvi,
We are delighted to hear your response to issues pertaining to DEFENCE FORCES ie,Denial of Rank pay while computing PENSION ,matter upheld by SUPREAME COURT & Armed Forces Tribunal,Disability Pension matter brought out by Capt Sidhu,again the MOD mandarins are trying to delay/deny/defy Supreme court decision.
ONE RANK ONE PENSION,(OROP) or SAME PENSION FOR SAME RANK with equal period of service,an highly emotive issue with defence fraternity, (serving, retired and family pensioners), this matter had been STRONGLY recommended by Parliamentary consultative Committee headed by a congress MP,included in PRESIDENT'S,(our SUPREAME COMMANDER) address to Parliament,and almost all political parties including Congress President Madam SONIA GANDHI who backed same in one of her rally at CHANDIGARH.
Lack sensitivity on above issues by bureaucracy on above matter is adversely affecting MORALE fibre of defence personnel particularly retired ones who are the one who send their children/kin to defend NATIONS borders, as of now around 30,000 LEADERS (Officers) are deficient.
A fresh look by legal luminary like you will be of great help.In case any inputs are required by you same would be made available or give time to our representatives to update/ brief you.
We await your response please.
Regards
--
Brigadier Dharam Prakash (Retd)
B-401, AWHO Complex,Sector 9
Date: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Subject: TIMES NOW TV DEBATE ON MP'S SALARY
To: a.singhvi@sansad.nic.in
Dr Abhiskek Singhvi,
We are delighted to hear your response to issues pertaining to DEFENCE FORCES ie,Denial of Rank pay while computing PENSION ,matter upheld by SUPREAME COURT & Armed Forces Tribunal,Disability Pension matter brought out by Capt Sidhu,again the MOD mandarins are trying to delay/deny/defy Supreme court decision.
ONE RANK ONE PENSION,(OROP) or SAME PENSION FOR SAME RANK with equal period of service,an highly emotive issue with defence fraternity, (serving, retired and family pensioners), this matter had been STRONGLY recommended by Parliamentary consultative Committee headed by a congress MP,included in PRESIDENT'S,(our SUPREAME COMMANDER) address to Parliament,and almost all political parties including Congress President Madam SONIA GANDHI who backed same in one of her rally at CHANDIGARH.
Lack sensitivity on above issues by bureaucracy on above matter is adversely affecting MORALE fibre of defence personnel particularly retired ones who are the one who send their children/kin to defend NATIONS borders, as of now around 30,000 LEADERS (Officers) are deficient.
A fresh look by legal luminary like you will be of great help.In case any inputs are required by you same would be made available or give time to our representatives to update/ brief you.
We await your response please.
Regards
--
Brigadier Dharam Prakash (Retd)
B-401, AWHO Complex,Sector 9
TIMES NOW DEBATE ON 20 AUG NIGHT ON INCREASE OF SALARIES OF MPS by Lt Gen NC Khanna
From: nirmal c khanna nckhanna@hotmail.com
Sent: 21 August 2010 02:40
To: DELETED
Subject: TIMES NOW DEBATE ON 20 AUG NIGHT ON INCREASE OF SALARIES OF MPS.
Dear all,
This TV Debate was of special interest to us veterans.
Manu Singhvi Congress stated that he was not aware of any of the cases where verdicts were given by the Supreme Court in favour of the Armed Forces and on which the govt had appealed for review instead of graciously accepting the same. He agreed on TV that he would personally look into each of these and take them up to have them speedily resolved.
I suggest a delegation of IESM's senior diginitaries along with our legal experts and accompaqning documents call on him within the next week along with a representative of 'TIMES NOW' and on camera request him to sort this out.
STRIKE WHEN THE IRON IS HOT.
God bless and good luck.
Nimmi Khanna (Maj Gen NC Khanna, 4th IMA Course, Former GOC 2 Mtn Div)
Sent: 21 August 2010 02:40
To: DELETED
Subject: TIMES NOW DEBATE ON 20 AUG NIGHT ON INCREASE OF SALARIES OF MPS.
Dear all,
This TV Debate was of special interest to us veterans.
Manu Singhvi Congress stated that he was not aware of any of the cases where verdicts were given by the Supreme Court in favour of the Armed Forces and on which the govt had appealed for review instead of graciously accepting the same. He agreed on TV that he would personally look into each of these and take them up to have them speedily resolved.
I suggest a delegation of IESM's senior diginitaries along with our legal experts and accompaqning documents call on him within the next week along with a representative of 'TIMES NOW' and on camera request him to sort this out.
STRIKE WHEN THE IRON IS HOT.
God bless and good luck.
Nimmi Khanna (Maj Gen NC Khanna, 4th IMA Course, Former GOC 2 Mtn Div)
Views by Amit Bhadhuri
In a message dated 22/08/2010 15:19:01 GMT Standard Time, abhadhuri924@googlemail.com writes:
Dear Brig. Kamboj,
I am neither shocked nor surprised, that, our (Hon?) President did not meet the delegation today. We do not elect our Presidents but have a weird way putting them in the tax payer funded Presidential Palace and my memory is very strong how she got there. I did not have slightest doubt that she would not meet the delegation. The country's power-brokers and its stakeholders are mostly sycophants and they have no principles, values and respect for the Armed forces who have been protecting the country day and night relentlessly since 15th August 1947.
This is not the first time such efforts have failed as such is the attitude of the supreme commander. We may have to change our strategy. I am sure that there are so many generals and senior officers surely they will find a new strategy as they did in the battlefields. Our aim must be "we must not stop until we win this
legitimate struggle".
I am slightly taken aback, that, it is the same govt so shameless and have the cheek to ask the Army to help in the CWG preparations completely free when the same lot is responsible for plundering thousands of crores tax and rate payers money in CWG projects. How shameless they are? The job of the Army is to protect the country against any foreign aggression and not to be used as and when required for odd civilian jobs. In the west where Armed forces are
well valued, respected and are totally bar from any such odd use even during emergency needs. Our Army need to take a stand and just need to do that.
With warm regards,
Amit
Amit Bhadhuri
Former CISF Officer
Dear Brig. Kamboj,
I am neither shocked nor surprised, that, our (Hon?) President did not meet the delegation today. We do not elect our Presidents but have a weird way putting them in the tax payer funded Presidential Palace and my memory is very strong how she got there. I did not have slightest doubt that she would not meet the delegation. The country's power-brokers and its stakeholders are mostly sycophants and they have no principles, values and respect for the Armed forces who have been protecting the country day and night relentlessly since 15th August 1947.
This is not the first time such efforts have failed as such is the attitude of the supreme commander. We may have to change our strategy. I am sure that there are so many generals and senior officers surely they will find a new strategy as they did in the battlefields. Our aim must be "we must not stop until we win this
legitimate struggle".
I am slightly taken aback, that, it is the same govt so shameless and have the cheek to ask the Army to help in the CWG preparations completely free when the same lot is responsible for plundering thousands of crores tax and rate payers money in CWG projects. How shameless they are? The job of the Army is to protect the country against any foreign aggression and not to be used as and when required for odd civilian jobs. In the west where Armed forces are
well valued, respected and are totally bar from any such odd use even during emergency needs. Our Army need to take a stand and just need to do that.
With warm regards,
Amit
Amit Bhadhuri
Former CISF Officer
Views bY Brig VA Subramanyam
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Brig V A Subramanyam wrote:
Heartiest Congratulations to the leaders of IESM, for having successfully carried out the scheduled programme in a befitting and eye catching manner.
As I seldom watch the TV (unless forewarned), a civilian friend called me up late in the evening heaping congratulations for the excellent manner the programme was conducted, as he had just then viewed it on the TV.
A couple of days ago, someone had sent me a note as to how eaders should behave during failures. The article was written by Dr APJ Kalam, when he was the Project Director of one of the Rocket launches. Maybe, the present incumbent of that Rashtrapati Bhawan, needs to be reminded of the duties that is expected of that august office.
-- To give a glass of water for a glass of water is nothing. True greatness consists of giving back good for wrongdoing. "Have Wonderful and Happy Days Ahead….= Subramanyam
Heartiest Congratulations to the leaders of IESM, for having successfully carried out the scheduled programme in a befitting and eye catching manner.
As I seldom watch the TV (unless forewarned), a civilian friend called me up late in the evening heaping congratulations for the excellent manner the programme was conducted, as he had just then viewed it on the TV.
A couple of days ago, someone had sent me a note as to how eaders should behave during failures. The article was written by Dr APJ Kalam, when he was the Project Director of one of the Rocket launches. Maybe, the present incumbent of that Rashtrapati Bhawan, needs to be reminded of the duties that is expected of that august office.
-- To give a glass of water for a glass of water is nothing. True greatness consists of giving back good for wrongdoing. "Have Wonderful and Happy Days Ahead….= Subramanyam
Views by Col Raman on 22 Aug 2010 Rally
From: ramantn sarma
Sent: 22 August 2010 12:33
To: WeGunners@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Core Group IESM; Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi
Subject: Jantar Mantar 22 Aug 10
Dear Veterans,
A great show !! Ended with an insignificant event of our Supreme commander, as expected, not obliging to receive the medals. Never the less, the show to my mind has been modestly described by Col RPC, who estimated the strength to be around 1,500 to 1,800. Our compliments to him on his versatile coverage of the event.
I watched the 'Times Now' News at 9 pm, with the following banners streaking below:-
a. More than 5000 ESM assembled to deposit their Medals.
b. The ESM claimed that they were treated shabbily.
c. Angry about the Pay hike of the MsP.
d. Demanded OROP which has been promised time & again by various parties.
e. ESM were deprived of their legitimate rights
It showed Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, Maj Gen Satbir Singh, Maj Gen Jaini & a couple of other Veterans voicing their concern.
Not a single instance of unruly behaviour was reported by the media. Speaks volumes about the manner in which the Members of the Governing Body conducted this event.
... edited ...
Where do we go from here is the next question. Do we have a Road Map to exploit this success?
What about the other popular Channels. 'Head Lines Today' was too busy in showing Sashi Tharoor's third innings in matrimony with the lady ( I do not know the number of her innings) who was responsible ( may be mutually) for his being de- throned from his ministerial pass time.
NDTV was busy with one of its mundane drawing room debates, about the middle class being non committal to the Nations progress. ... edited ...
CNN IBN was busy with ... edited ...
Veteran Raman
Sent: 22 August 2010 12:33
To: WeGunners@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Core Group IESM; Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi
Subject: Jantar Mantar 22 Aug 10
Dear Veterans,
A great show !! Ended with an insignificant event of our Supreme commander, as expected, not obliging to receive the medals. Never the less, the show to my mind has been modestly described by Col RPC, who estimated the strength to be around 1,500 to 1,800. Our compliments to him on his versatile coverage of the event.
I watched the 'Times Now' News at 9 pm, with the following banners streaking below:-
a. More than 5000 ESM assembled to deposit their Medals.
b. The ESM claimed that they were treated shabbily.
c. Angry about the Pay hike of the MsP.
d. Demanded OROP which has been promised time & again by various parties.
e. ESM were deprived of their legitimate rights
It showed Lt Gen Raj Kadyan, Maj Gen Satbir Singh, Maj Gen Jaini & a couple of other Veterans voicing their concern.
Not a single instance of unruly behaviour was reported by the media. Speaks volumes about the manner in which the Members of the Governing Body conducted this event.
... edited ...
Where do we go from here is the next question. Do we have a Road Map to exploit this success?
What about the other popular Channels. 'Head Lines Today' was too busy in showing Sashi Tharoor's third innings in matrimony with the lady ( I do not know the number of her innings) who was responsible ( may be mutually) for his being de- throned from his ministerial pass time.
NDTV was busy with one of its mundane drawing room debates, about the middle class being non committal to the Nations progress. ... edited ...
CNN IBN was busy with ... edited ...
Veteran Raman
FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE
From: Colonelrajan Srinivas
Sent: 22 August 2010 07:31
To: CoreGpIESM
Cc: Brig C.S.KAMBOJ;
Subject: FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE : EX-SERVICEMEN RALLY AT JANTAR MANTAR : SUNDAY, 22 AUGUST 2010
Respected Veterans,
Gen Raj Kadyan, Admiral Barin Ghose, Gen Satbir Singh, Gen Aditya Jaini, Gen Renjen, Gp Capt Vinod Gandhi, Wg Cdr CK Sharma, Col RP Chaturvedi, Col Kirit Joshipura, Cdr Sharan Ahuja, Hon’y Lt Kameshwar Pandey & Warrant Officer Balathilakan.Jai Hind.Well done and my heartiest Congratulations to you all.I compliment Col RP Chaturvedi for the caption, FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE. Indeed very apt. Ex-Servicemen from all over the Country join me in saluting Mrs Daljit Kaur, the indomitable & spirited w/o Maj Gen Satbir Singh, who single handedly prepared packed puris & sabji for 1500 people. I have no words to express our gratitude; but to stand at attention in front of this Noble Warrior, no less than the Rani of Jhansi. Chree Cheers to DALJIT KAUR.Regards,Col Shaitan Singh Rajan of Jingergacha
Sent: 22 August 2010 07:31
To: CoreGpIESM
Cc: Brig C.S.KAMBOJ;
Subject: FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE : EX-SERVICEMEN RALLY AT JANTAR MANTAR : SUNDAY, 22 AUGUST 2010
Respected Veterans,
Gen Raj Kadyan, Admiral Barin Ghose, Gen Satbir Singh, Gen Aditya Jaini, Gen Renjen, Gp Capt Vinod Gandhi, Wg Cdr CK Sharma, Col RP Chaturvedi, Col Kirit Joshipura, Cdr Sharan Ahuja, Hon’y Lt Kameshwar Pandey & Warrant Officer Balathilakan.Jai Hind.Well done and my heartiest Congratulations to you all.I compliment Col RP Chaturvedi for the caption, FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE. Indeed very apt. Ex-Servicemen from all over the Country join me in saluting Mrs Daljit Kaur, the indomitable & spirited w/o Maj Gen Satbir Singh, who single handedly prepared packed puris & sabji for 1500 people. I have no words to express our gratitude; but to stand at attention in front of this Noble Warrior, no less than the Rani of Jhansi. Chree Cheers to DALJIT KAUR.Regards,Col Shaitan Singh Rajan of Jingergacha
Hindu News on OROP ..22 Aug 2010 Rally at Jantar Mantar
From: lokesh batra
Sent: 22 August 2010 14:24
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; sharansahuja@gmail.com
Subject: HINDU : EX-SERVICEMEN SUBMIT MEMO TO PRESIDENT ON ONE RANK, ONE PENSION
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article588239.ece(Cmde LK Batra, RTI Activist of International repute)--------
THE HINDUhttp://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article588239.ece
NEW DELHI, August 22, 2010Ex-servicemen submit memo to President on One Rank, One Pension
‘Grant of unequal pay in the same rank
is a violation of Article 14 of the Constitution'Highlighting the plight of ex-servicemen, especially wives of deceased personnel, several hundreds former soldiers and officers on Sunday collected medals and submitted a memorandum to the President seeking ‘One Rank, One Pension (OROP)'.
Under the Chairmanship of Lt. Gen. (retd.) Raj Kadyan of Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement (IESM), former soldiers and over 300 women assembled at Jantar Mantar here in support of the demand.
“Some 6,000 medals have been collected to be returned to the President of India, the supreme commander of the Armed Forces, and we submitted a memorandum containing 1.25 lakh signatures in blood at the Rashtrapati Bhavan on Sunday,” IESM vice-chairman Major General (retd.) Satbir Singh told The Hindu.
Plight of women
Expressing anguish over the plight of wives of deceased jawans who have not got the benefits of an earlier raise given by the government, he asked how a woman can take care of the needs of a family with a pension of Rs.3,500.
He said the IESM Chairman had sought personal audience from the President to meet a delegation on Sunday; but since that did not happen, it was decided to hand over the memorandum at the Rashtrapati Bhavan and not the boxes of medals.
Gen. Satbir Singh said the ex-servicemen are also hurt that despite the recommendation by the Parliamentary Defence Standing Committee in May 2010, asking the government to consider afresh the OROP issue, nothing has been done.
On the other hand, he said, reports suggest the government is considering raising further the salaries and allowances of Members of Parliament in the light of recommendations of a Joint Parliamentary Committee, all in a matter of few days.
Congress MP from Punjab Pratap Singh Bajwa told The Hindu that he had raised the issue in the Lok Sabha last week stating that unequal pension exists even after the “so-called parity” in pension to Personnel Below Officers Rank.
Inequality
He said a soldier who retired before December 31, 2005, with parity in pension with effect from January 1, 2006 gets Rs.5,523 a month while a solider who retired after January 1, 2006 with same length of service gets Rs.8,700 a month.
Citing the Babu Ram Dhiman versus Union of India case, he said the Chandigarh bench of the Armed Forces Tribunal ruled that the grant of unequal pay in the same rank was a violation of Article 14 of the Constitution and that the State cannot lay down different criteria for grant of pension for same rank of officers on the basis of the cut-off date of retirement.
He urged the Defence Minister to reconsider the OROP issue and not compare them to civilian counterparts since their terms of service and risk the armed forces personnel face, in discharge of their duties with pride and honour, are different.
------------
Sent: 22 August 2010 14:24
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; sharansahuja@gmail.com
Subject: HINDU : EX-SERVICEMEN SUBMIT MEMO TO PRESIDENT ON ONE RANK, ONE PENSION
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article588239.ece(Cmde LK Batra, RTI Activist of International repute)--------
THE HINDUhttp://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article588239.ece
NEW DELHI, August 22, 2010Ex-servicemen submit memo to President on One Rank, One Pension
‘Grant of unequal pay in the same rank
is a violation of Article 14 of the Constitution'Highlighting the plight of ex-servicemen, especially wives of deceased personnel, several hundreds former soldiers and officers on Sunday collected medals and submitted a memorandum to the President seeking ‘One Rank, One Pension (OROP)'.
Under the Chairmanship of Lt. Gen. (retd.) Raj Kadyan of Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement (IESM), former soldiers and over 300 women assembled at Jantar Mantar here in support of the demand.
“Some 6,000 medals have been collected to be returned to the President of India, the supreme commander of the Armed Forces, and we submitted a memorandum containing 1.25 lakh signatures in blood at the Rashtrapati Bhavan on Sunday,” IESM vice-chairman Major General (retd.) Satbir Singh told The Hindu.
Plight of women
Expressing anguish over the plight of wives of deceased jawans who have not got the benefits of an earlier raise given by the government, he asked how a woman can take care of the needs of a family with a pension of Rs.3,500.
He said the IESM Chairman had sought personal audience from the President to meet a delegation on Sunday; but since that did not happen, it was decided to hand over the memorandum at the Rashtrapati Bhavan and not the boxes of medals.
Gen. Satbir Singh said the ex-servicemen are also hurt that despite the recommendation by the Parliamentary Defence Standing Committee in May 2010, asking the government to consider afresh the OROP issue, nothing has been done.
On the other hand, he said, reports suggest the government is considering raising further the salaries and allowances of Members of Parliament in the light of recommendations of a Joint Parliamentary Committee, all in a matter of few days.
Congress MP from Punjab Pratap Singh Bajwa told The Hindu that he had raised the issue in the Lok Sabha last week stating that unequal pension exists even after the “so-called parity” in pension to Personnel Below Officers Rank.
Inequality
He said a soldier who retired before December 31, 2005, with parity in pension with effect from January 1, 2006 gets Rs.5,523 a month while a solider who retired after January 1, 2006 with same length of service gets Rs.8,700 a month.
Citing the Babu Ram Dhiman versus Union of India case, he said the Chandigarh bench of the Armed Forces Tribunal ruled that the grant of unequal pay in the same rank was a violation of Article 14 of the Constitution and that the State cannot lay down different criteria for grant of pension for same rank of officers on the basis of the cut-off date of retirement.
He urged the Defence Minister to reconsider the OROP issue and not compare them to civilian counterparts since their terms of service and risk the armed forces personnel face, in discharge of their duties with pride and honour, are different.
------------
Thursday, August 19, 2010
Rank Pay Linked with OROP GOOD LUCK In IA
From: Ranjit Rai [mailto:ranjitrai123@gmail.com]
Sent: 19 August 2010 01:26
Subject: Rank Pay Linked with OROP GOOD LUCK In IA
Dear Navy Foundation and Friends in White cc Lawyers Sukhjinder and Ritin Rai, DELETE IF BUSY
It seems the OROP case from the below, had reached the Supreme Court in our favour with Rank Pay.
I casually met Mr Brajesh Misra at the Gym few days ago. He has a Chanakya mind like his boss Vajpayee, and discussed some issues informally, and I mentioned the OROP matter and he seemed unaware and was good to say he will mention this.
On my congrats for achievements like Nuke blasts and Sikkim recognition and economy build up he modestly said he was lucky to be both NSA and PPS to PM. I have read Sonia..... A biography by Rasheed Kidwai. It discusses how India runs and NSA issues. The NSA post can be one of the most powerful posts and depends on the personality. I get the feeling PM is missing MK for internal issues as Harvard educated Chidmabaram has no military and intelligence experience and intelligence is key for internal matters and needs Chanakya stuff.
Surely our ceremonial President, learned PM and his fine IFS NSA and powerful Sonia and the responsible Chiefs know all about this judgment and returned medals and are concerned to be fair. I know ESM and Navy Foundation have done a lot and are pursuing. Thanks.
“Now Union of India, the Applicant, has filed an interlocutory application (I.A.) for directions seeking modification.”
This interested me.
I consulted a fine Constitution lawyer who helped me and Brig RP Singh JAG to co author the book on Vishnu Bhagwat's sacking via Art 311 and learnt some Constitutional law that dictates this country and its fine poor and ordinary people. The high and mighty know how to flout with money power, and in courts where Lawyers cost the earth and I need not elaborate. Read White Tiger. GOI lawyers always appeal not so much for the case but to earn fees and GOI is India's biggest litigant.
I learn normal appeal in SC is a Review Petition which GOI feels it may not get in this case ........so an IA seeks to modify a Judgment and is used only in exceptional cases eg Bhopal Gas Case etc where gross injustice has been done. Have we done gross injustice to Government by serving the nation. Think it over.
As far as I am concerned, this is cheating those who served this nation in tough days and wars including Kargil. Our course mate Gen VP has told us a lot of how he and Chiefs interacted with PM Vajpayee, my hero of India's nuclear blasts and the rise of India. I hope current Chiefs( Integrated Service HQs) and their JAGs have been consulted or what is military law branch for? And what are our Chiefs( Our Mai Baps) if they have no say in this important legal matter at this juncture...... surely when PM meets Chiefs they can explain how retired Jawans are doing, though this case is for Rank Pay but could benefit them ?
Or is GOI teaching military how to disregard Supreme Court judgments by hook or by crook. I pray the Judges see this as we do at a time when MPs want to treble their pay. I say this more for our Jawans, Airmen and Sailors to try get OROP ..... They are true India and now with exercises world wide, the world military knows what the average poor Indian jawan is capable of on a pittance.
In need, Chanakya tells the King the warrior is more important ...... but who reads Chankaya. In two strategy seminars on Raja's fine path breaking book on Scenarios Chanakya got mentioned only once in passing........we quote westerners now, not even Sun Tzu which Admiral Russi Ghandhi taught us to use and China uses to the hilt. He did a thesis in Staff College and his ship always won the Cock.
In passing I also believe that Art 311 read with section 15 of the Navy ACT BY WHICH THE WAR ROOM leak officers, and many others including Vishnu were dismissed needs legal direction to be in consonance with Art 14.
It is wrong that RM on advice / collusion with a Chief be the final authority to dismiss an officer called removing President's Pleasure and no appeal or pension. In USA there is Mast Punishment and UK has no written constitution and no 311, which Justice Shah recommended to Nehru to delete but Nehru was worried of coups.
Many feel the Cabinet (under Art 74 and 14) should apply mind and approve such dismissals of Capts and above. Then no appeal may lie. We pride our democracy but a Senior officer or a Chief like Vishnu is denied this totally by 311 and has to beg for pension. For details read our book which George Fernandes banned for reasons I now know. Details of the full operation are public.
We are emotional people as I proved in Indians Why We Are What We Are. So this massive power with RM alone is dangerous especially if he or GOI is threatened for disclosure in inquiries or acts emotionally. It has also been used by Chiefs/ GOI to threaten and make officers resign on hormonal issues and India Today has reported this some years ago. I just learnt from News X where Vishnu Bhagwat also spoke on TV that the cost of the Scorpene project has jumped by Rs 4870 crores and further delayed .........4000 crores is now chicken feed for Gorshkovs and Scorpenes with no blame on MOD, but OROP at some Rs 1500 crores is too much ? We are retired.
I append details of the IA you may have already seen and hope it is correct as I got it off the net and look to Sukhjinder and others fighting the cases and for War Room leak sufferers, to tell me if I have erred on legal facts, and tell us our chances for Rank Pay.
Its pouring in Delhi ... no golf ......hence this intrusion and CWG venues are flooded. Wish we could send this rain to Bihar and Jharkand as in every rain Delhi becomes a swimming pool with traffic snarls and the traffic lights do not work. Pakoras sell better then, and the rich carry Computers with Protons and mobiles are connected 24X7 in virtual BMWs. Just saw on TV Mayawati has given in to agitating farmers who burnt buses etc and saw the same on TV for Kashmir which made PM give Azadi and wonder how it will pan out ........Retired Uniformed will never agitate but cogitate.
Ranjit Rai Jai Hind
(Cmde B Ranjit Rai, Vice President Indian Maritime Foundation, International Corrospondent India Strategic Broadcaster, author of “A Nation and its Navy At War”, Former Director Naval Intelligence and Operations)------------
Sent: 19 August 2010 01:26
Subject: Rank Pay Linked with OROP GOOD LUCK In IA
Dear Navy Foundation and Friends in White cc Lawyers Sukhjinder and Ritin Rai, DELETE IF BUSY
It seems the OROP case from the below, had reached the Supreme Court in our favour with Rank Pay.
I casually met Mr Brajesh Misra at the Gym few days ago. He has a Chanakya mind like his boss Vajpayee, and discussed some issues informally, and I mentioned the OROP matter and he seemed unaware and was good to say he will mention this.
On my congrats for achievements like Nuke blasts and Sikkim recognition and economy build up he modestly said he was lucky to be both NSA and PPS to PM. I have read Sonia..... A biography by Rasheed Kidwai. It discusses how India runs and NSA issues. The NSA post can be one of the most powerful posts and depends on the personality. I get the feeling PM is missing MK for internal issues as Harvard educated Chidmabaram has no military and intelligence experience and intelligence is key for internal matters and needs Chanakya stuff.
Surely our ceremonial President, learned PM and his fine IFS NSA and powerful Sonia and the responsible Chiefs know all about this judgment and returned medals and are concerned to be fair. I know ESM and Navy Foundation have done a lot and are pursuing. Thanks.
“Now Union of India, the Applicant, has filed an interlocutory application (I.A.) for directions seeking modification.”
This interested me.
I consulted a fine Constitution lawyer who helped me and Brig RP Singh JAG to co author the book on Vishnu Bhagwat's sacking via Art 311 and learnt some Constitutional law that dictates this country and its fine poor and ordinary people. The high and mighty know how to flout with money power, and in courts where Lawyers cost the earth and I need not elaborate. Read White Tiger. GOI lawyers always appeal not so much for the case but to earn fees and GOI is India's biggest litigant.
I learn normal appeal in SC is a Review Petition which GOI feels it may not get in this case ........so an IA seeks to modify a Judgment and is used only in exceptional cases eg Bhopal Gas Case etc where gross injustice has been done. Have we done gross injustice to Government by serving the nation. Think it over.
As far as I am concerned, this is cheating those who served this nation in tough days and wars including Kargil. Our course mate Gen VP has told us a lot of how he and Chiefs interacted with PM Vajpayee, my hero of India's nuclear blasts and the rise of India. I hope current Chiefs( Integrated Service HQs) and their JAGs have been consulted or what is military law branch for? And what are our Chiefs( Our Mai Baps) if they have no say in this important legal matter at this juncture...... surely when PM meets Chiefs they can explain how retired Jawans are doing, though this case is for Rank Pay but could benefit them ?
Or is GOI teaching military how to disregard Supreme Court judgments by hook or by crook. I pray the Judges see this as we do at a time when MPs want to treble their pay. I say this more for our Jawans, Airmen and Sailors to try get OROP ..... They are true India and now with exercises world wide, the world military knows what the average poor Indian jawan is capable of on a pittance.
In need, Chanakya tells the King the warrior is more important ...... but who reads Chankaya. In two strategy seminars on Raja's fine path breaking book on Scenarios Chanakya got mentioned only once in passing........we quote westerners now, not even Sun Tzu which Admiral Russi Ghandhi taught us to use and China uses to the hilt. He did a thesis in Staff College and his ship always won the Cock.
In passing I also believe that Art 311 read with section 15 of the Navy ACT BY WHICH THE WAR ROOM leak officers, and many others including Vishnu were dismissed needs legal direction to be in consonance with Art 14.
It is wrong that RM on advice / collusion with a Chief be the final authority to dismiss an officer called removing President's Pleasure and no appeal or pension. In USA there is Mast Punishment and UK has no written constitution and no 311, which Justice Shah recommended to Nehru to delete but Nehru was worried of coups.
Many feel the Cabinet (under Art 74 and 14) should apply mind and approve such dismissals of Capts and above. Then no appeal may lie. We pride our democracy but a Senior officer or a Chief like Vishnu is denied this totally by 311 and has to beg for pension. For details read our book which George Fernandes banned for reasons I now know. Details of the full operation are public.
We are emotional people as I proved in Indians Why We Are What We Are. So this massive power with RM alone is dangerous especially if he or GOI is threatened for disclosure in inquiries or acts emotionally. It has also been used by Chiefs/ GOI to threaten and make officers resign on hormonal issues and India Today has reported this some years ago. I just learnt from News X where Vishnu Bhagwat also spoke on TV that the cost of the Scorpene project has jumped by Rs 4870 crores and further delayed .........4000 crores is now chicken feed for Gorshkovs and Scorpenes with no blame on MOD, but OROP at some Rs 1500 crores is too much ? We are retired.
I append details of the IA you may have already seen and hope it is correct as I got it off the net and look to Sukhjinder and others fighting the cases and for War Room leak sufferers, to tell me if I have erred on legal facts, and tell us our chances for Rank Pay.
Its pouring in Delhi ... no golf ......hence this intrusion and CWG venues are flooded. Wish we could send this rain to Bihar and Jharkand as in every rain Delhi becomes a swimming pool with traffic snarls and the traffic lights do not work. Pakoras sell better then, and the rich carry Computers with Protons and mobiles are connected 24X7 in virtual BMWs. Just saw on TV Mayawati has given in to agitating farmers who burnt buses etc and saw the same on TV for Kashmir which made PM give Azadi and wonder how it will pan out ........Retired Uniformed will never agitate but cogitate.
Ranjit Rai Jai Hind
(Cmde B Ranjit Rai, Vice President Indian Maritime Foundation, International Corrospondent India Strategic Broadcaster, author of “A Nation and its Navy At War”, Former Director Naval Intelligence and Operations)------------
Pls beware of Fraudelant mail
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharath Bhandary [mailto:nscbhandary@gmail.com]
Sent: 19 August 2010 09:52
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: AN EMAIL INITIATED BY A LUNATIC - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL
384/2010 - (A to G) - 19 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
My dear Brig,
1. The suspicious e-mail, seems to be a fraud, as it is
asking for donations for London Office, in $, besides
mentioning the names of sincere and dedicated IESM office bearers.
2. A formal complaint with the server, as also the Cyber Police,
may expose the perpetrator.
3. Thanks a lot for the timely warning to all Veterans, readers of RMS.
With Good Wishes Warm regards, Your's sincerely,
Col N
Sharath Bhandary
From: Sharath Bhandary [mailto:nscbhandary@gmail.com]
Sent: 19 August 2010 09:52
To: Kamboj Chander
Subject: Re: AN EMAIL INITIATED BY A LUNATIC - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL
384/2010 - (A to G) - 19 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
My dear Brig,
1. The suspicious e-mail, seems to be a fraud, as it is
asking for donations for London Office, in $, besides
mentioning the names of sincere and dedicated IESM office bearers.
2. A formal complaint with the server, as also the Cyber Police,
may expose the perpetrator.
3. Thanks a lot for the timely warning to all Veterans, readers of RMS.
With Good Wishes Warm regards, Your's sincerely,
Col N
Sharath Bhandary
Suggestion by lawyer...Col MG Kapoor
From: Madan Gopal Kapoor [mailto:madangopal.kapoor@gmail.com]
Sent: 19 August 2010 11:53
Dear Brig Kamboj Sir,
I wanted to render whatever help I could in IESM struggle for 'OROP' and other related issues concerning the Indian Ex-servicemen. I know IESM needs funds to continue its struggle and also needs appropriate legal advice.
Whereas I am always available for any legal advice for whatever it is worth, I also have a proposal, if you find it is workable, to help generate some funds for the IESM. In my capacity as a lawyer having some experience, I have a proposal as given in the succeeding paras.
Many a litigant run to the courts when faced with a problem. They think they have a grievance, whether they have it or not. They contact the lawyers and pose their grievance. Many a lawyer mislead them showing rosy paths. Ultimately the sufferer is the litigant. By the time he realises he has lost a lot of money.
I propose to give free legal advice through internet.
However, there shall be a condition. I propose that before I give my advice the querist, if an officer, should pay a fee of Rs. 1000/- for any query, Rs. 500/- if JCO and Rs. 200/- if an OR to be paid to the IESM by way of demand draft sent directly to the IESM HQ. On the IESM confirming having receipt the demand draft I shall give my legal advice to the querist.
I may venture to say that the queries may not be limited to service matters alone. I can render advice in matrimonial, property, succession, consumer law, unfair trade practice, suits for damages and many other fields too. I have adequate experience in these fields.
You may like to suggest a different approach or an alternative method how I can help IESM generate funds.
Truly,
MG
Sent: 19 August 2010 11:53
Dear Brig Kamboj Sir,
I wanted to render whatever help I could in IESM struggle for 'OROP' and other related issues concerning the Indian Ex-servicemen. I know IESM needs funds to continue its struggle and also needs appropriate legal advice.
Whereas I am always available for any legal advice for whatever it is worth, I also have a proposal, if you find it is workable, to help generate some funds for the IESM. In my capacity as a lawyer having some experience, I have a proposal as given in the succeeding paras.
Many a litigant run to the courts when faced with a problem. They think they have a grievance, whether they have it or not. They contact the lawyers and pose their grievance. Many a lawyer mislead them showing rosy paths. Ultimately the sufferer is the litigant. By the time he realises he has lost a lot of money.
I propose to give free legal advice through internet.
However, there shall be a condition. I propose that before I give my advice the querist, if an officer, should pay a fee of Rs. 1000/- for any query, Rs. 500/- if JCO and Rs. 200/- if an OR to be paid to the IESM by way of demand draft sent directly to the IESM HQ. On the IESM confirming having receipt the demand draft I shall give my legal advice to the querist.
I may venture to say that the queries may not be limited to service matters alone. I can render advice in matrimonial, property, succession, consumer law, unfair trade practice, suits for damages and many other fields too. I have adequate experience in these fields.
You may like to suggest a different approach or an alternative method how I can help IESM generate funds.
Truly,
MG
AN EMAIL INITIATED BY A LUNATIC - "REPORT MY SIGNAL
Brigadier CS Kamboj, VSM., VETERAN,
Email ID – kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
“REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG” – http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com
IESM UPDATES AND MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION – http://www.iesm.org/
SANJHA MORCHA WEBSITE - http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/
Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
Reference email appended below.
The email ID -
indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com
has been fraudulently registered by someone in the name of Cdr Sharan Ahuja, one of the important pillars of Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM).
Some nasty emails are being sent out by the person who has registered this email ID.
The person sending these emails is either a lunatic or it is part of a deep routed consipiracy by someone to malign IESM.
Kindly ignore any email you receive as
“From: Cdr Sharan Ahuja indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com “
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
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From: Cdr Sharan Ahuja indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com
Sent: 18 August 2010 18:56
Subject: Indian Service Men Movement
Hello
Indian Service Men Movement is urging its members and supporters to donate in their project in Indian Service Men Army veteran project, which will be starting by the 22nd of october 2010 in Australia and Europe which has been budget with a sum of (USD14.02M).
We kindly ask for your support in whatever you can assist us with in the achievement of the good works of our organization.
Your kind generousity will be highly appreciated and this information should be kept highly confidential to every Army Veteran.
NB,pls kindly contact me for your mode of payment in dollars to our London office via indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com
This was brought to you by
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Email ID – kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
“REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG” – http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com
IESM UPDATES AND MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION – http://www.iesm.org/
SANJHA MORCHA WEBSITE - http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/
Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
Reference email appended below.
The email ID -
indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com
has been fraudulently registered by someone in the name of Cdr Sharan Ahuja, one of the important pillars of Indian Ex Servicemen Movement (IESM).
Some nasty emails are being sent out by the person who has registered this email ID.
The person sending these emails is either a lunatic or it is part of a deep routed consipiracy by someone to malign IESM.
Kindly ignore any email you receive as
“From: Cdr Sharan Ahuja indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com “
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
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From: Cdr Sharan Ahuja indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com
Sent: 18 August 2010 18:56
Subject: Indian Service Men Movement
Hello
Indian Service Men Movement is urging its members and supporters to donate in their project in Indian Service Men Army veteran project, which will be starting by the 22nd of october 2010 in Australia and Europe which has been budget with a sum of (USD14.02M).
We kindly ask for your support in whatever you can assist us with in the achievement of the good works of our organization.
Your kind generousity will be highly appreciated and this information should be kept highly confidential to every Army Veteran.
NB,pls kindly contact me for your mode of payment in dollars to our London office via indianexservicemenmovement@gmail.com
This was brought to you by
Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, SM
Vice Chairman Indian ESM Movement
Rs 1000 donation for Leh by Brig SC Sharma
From: suresh sharma [mailto:brigscs@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 August 2010 04:56
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: ladakh relief
I have today transferd Rs 1000 to IESM HDFC A/C 06162000001330 from my HDFC Vashi Savings A/C 05401000088069.
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Regards
Brig Suresh Chandra Sharma (retd)
D406, AWHO, Sector 9, Nerul,
Navi Mumbai 400706
Cell Phone : 9322 643780
Sent: 18 August 2010 04:56
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: ladakh relief
I have today transferd Rs 1000 to IESM HDFC A/C 06162000001330 from my HDFC Vashi Savings A/C 05401000088069.
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Regards
Brig Suresh Chandra Sharma (retd)
D406, AWHO, Sector 9, Nerul,
Navi Mumbai 400706
Cell Phone : 9322 643780
Rs. 3000 donation for LEh by Sqd Ldr AK Agrawala
Subject: LEH RELIEF
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 4:08 AM
Dear sir,
A cheque of Allahabad Bank ( Payable at Par) bearing no. 256083 dtd. 18 Aug 2010 for Rs. 3000.00 towards my contribution for LEH RELIEF has been despatched today by courier to HQ. I.E.S.M.This is just for your information.regards,Sqn.Ldr. Ashok Kumar Agrawala (Veteran)
706, Begum Bridge Road, Labour Office Compound,
Meerut 250001 (U.P.)
Mob. no. 09358400300
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 4:08 AM
Dear sir,
A cheque of Allahabad Bank ( Payable at Par) bearing no. 256083 dtd. 18 Aug 2010 for Rs. 3000.00 towards my contribution for LEH RELIEF has been despatched today by courier to HQ. I.E.S.M.This is just for your information.regards,Sqn.Ldr. Ashok Kumar Agrawala (Veteran)
706, Begum Bridge Road, Labour Office Compound,
Meerut 250001 (U.P.)
Mob. no. 09358400300
MEETING WITH HIS EXCELENCY THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB MR SHIVRAJ PATIL-ON ISSUES RELATED TO ESM
From: nawab heer
To: DELETED
Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 6:58:23 PM
Subject: MEETING WITH HIS EXCELENCY THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB MR SHIVRAJ PATIL-ON ISSUES RELATED TO ESM
Dear All, 1. Brig Hardip Ghuman and self held a meeting with HH Governor of Punjab in his office in his capacity as President of State Sainik Board and Sainik Welfare. 2. The meeting was organised through office of Director Sainik welfare Punjab. 3. Following Points were Discussed. 4. Instructions for facilitating Registration and Casting of Votes by the Serving Soldiers at the place of their Posting. HH was briefed that how serving soldiers were denied their constitutional right to vote for 60 years.Now that they have been permitted to vote at the place of their posting,there are many hurdles being created by vested interests so that they do not vote.Even agencies like MOD,EC and state machinery is involved in not placing a good system in place whereby these soldiers get registered on being posted and they are facilitated to vote.HH was informed that during last assembly elections out of 12 lakhs probable voters only 13000 voters were registered and only those could vote. The documents obtained under RTI from the MoD didn’t convince the President RSB Punjab as he stated he was on the committee that looked into this issue. The DO letter of Rajya Raksha Mantry (as RM) Shri Arun Singh of 20 Jan 1987 addressed to the PM was placed before the President RSB Punjab which stated quote ‘This subject was not discussed in the Group of Ministers (desired by the Union Cabinet), because we were of the view that the Running Pay Band, if accepted, would automatically mean point-to-point fixation. However, Finance Ministry expressed their dissent with point-to-point fixation when we approached them to finalize issuance of orders on the presumption that Group of Ministers’ view on Running Pay Band would find acceptance with the Cabinet. HH asked for the brief and assured us that he will ensure that all systems are created to ensure that all soldiers are registered as voters at the place of their posting.Brig HS Ghuman has crried out great job on this issue and he deserves our praises and we all must educate our firends and children serving in Defence Forces.Only Power of Vote of Serving and retired will bring Govt on to negotiating table one day for OROP. 5. Denial of Payments of dues of Rank Pay pensioner Benefits Given by 4th pay Commission.HH was briefed as how by design MOD denied us benefits of Rank pay which was authorised to us by Min Fin and duly approved by GOM.How MOD told lie about it even to GOM and PM.How one major fought for it and won the case .later large number of officers went to various courts and Supreme court finally ruled in favour of us ,dues to be paid with 6% interest.How against all ethics disgracefully MOD has gone to supreme Court for review of their decision. HH assured us that he will definitely speak to RM on the issue and he was sure that even supreme court is not going to change its decision for such an genuine case.
6. Armed Forces Special Powers Act. The real problem is Political differences promoting Separatism possibly on behalf of External Enemy of our Nation & poor Civil Administration for which amending this Act would be the biggest mistake. The President RSB Punjab assured that the Govt. of India has no intention whatsoever to dilute this Law since it has serious repercussions.7. Complimentary Rail Pass to CHAKRA Series of Awards by the President of India. The President RSB agreed to take up the matter with the Railway Minister to remove the discrimination for travel by Shatabdi Express Trains to Shaurya Chakra Awardees by the President of India We also discussed large number of other issues with the Governor.HH was of the view that Veterans deserve the same respect as our Serving soldiers.We also discussed with him ways and means of tackling J and K problem by registering serving soldiers and PMF men when they are posted there.He was appreciative of all our suggestions and looked forward to more discussions. Please circulate to others also INCLUDING SERVING COLLEGUES. Regards, Brig Nawab Singh
To: DELETED
Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 6:58:23 PM
Subject: MEETING WITH HIS EXCELENCY THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB MR SHIVRAJ PATIL-ON ISSUES RELATED TO ESM
Dear All, 1. Brig Hardip Ghuman and self held a meeting with HH Governor of Punjab in his office in his capacity as President of State Sainik Board and Sainik Welfare. 2. The meeting was organised through office of Director Sainik welfare Punjab. 3. Following Points were Discussed. 4. Instructions for facilitating Registration and Casting of Votes by the Serving Soldiers at the place of their Posting. HH was briefed that how serving soldiers were denied their constitutional right to vote for 60 years.Now that they have been permitted to vote at the place of their posting,there are many hurdles being created by vested interests so that they do not vote.Even agencies like MOD,EC and state machinery is involved in not placing a good system in place whereby these soldiers get registered on being posted and they are facilitated to vote.HH was informed that during last assembly elections out of 12 lakhs probable voters only 13000 voters were registered and only those could vote. The documents obtained under RTI from the MoD didn’t convince the President RSB Punjab as he stated he was on the committee that looked into this issue. The DO letter of Rajya Raksha Mantry (as RM) Shri Arun Singh of 20 Jan 1987 addressed to the PM was placed before the President RSB Punjab which stated quote ‘This subject was not discussed in the Group of Ministers (desired by the Union Cabinet), because we were of the view that the Running Pay Band, if accepted, would automatically mean point-to-point fixation. However, Finance Ministry expressed their dissent with point-to-point fixation when we approached them to finalize issuance of orders on the presumption that Group of Ministers’ view on Running Pay Band would find acceptance with the Cabinet. HH asked for the brief and assured us that he will ensure that all systems are created to ensure that all soldiers are registered as voters at the place of their posting.Brig HS Ghuman has crried out great job on this issue and he deserves our praises and we all must educate our firends and children serving in Defence Forces.Only Power of Vote of Serving and retired will bring Govt on to negotiating table one day for OROP. 5. Denial of Payments of dues of Rank Pay pensioner Benefits Given by 4th pay Commission.HH was briefed as how by design MOD denied us benefits of Rank pay which was authorised to us by Min Fin and duly approved by GOM.How MOD told lie about it even to GOM and PM.How one major fought for it and won the case .later large number of officers went to various courts and Supreme court finally ruled in favour of us ,dues to be paid with 6% interest.How against all ethics disgracefully MOD has gone to supreme Court for review of their decision. HH assured us that he will definitely speak to RM on the issue and he was sure that even supreme court is not going to change its decision for such an genuine case.
6. Armed Forces Special Powers Act. The real problem is Political differences promoting Separatism possibly on behalf of External Enemy of our Nation & poor Civil Administration for which amending this Act would be the biggest mistake. The President RSB Punjab assured that the Govt. of India has no intention whatsoever to dilute this Law since it has serious repercussions.7. Complimentary Rail Pass to CHAKRA Series of Awards by the President of India. The President RSB agreed to take up the matter with the Railway Minister to remove the discrimination for travel by Shatabdi Express Trains to Shaurya Chakra Awardees by the President of India We also discussed large number of other issues with the Governor.HH was of the view that Veterans deserve the same respect as our Serving soldiers.We also discussed with him ways and means of tackling J and K problem by registering serving soldiers and PMF men when they are posted there.He was appreciative of all our suggestions and looked forward to more discussions. Please circulate to others also INCLUDING SERVING COLLEGUES. Regards, Brig Nawab Singh
AN ADVISORY:IV PAY COMMISSION RANK PAY ANOMALY CASE
From: RDOA India [mailto:rdoaindia@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 August 2010 07:55
To: IESL League; Vijay Oberoi; Harwant Singh; harwant singh; Exservicemen Joint Action Front Sanjha Morch; Inderjit Singh; Indian Veterans -; ashok joshi
Cc: anand.vkanand49@gmail.com; paramjit_49@yahoo.com; bhupendra sharma; satty; vinod suri
Subject: AN ADVISORY:IV PAY COMMISSION RANK PAY ANOMALY CASE
Dear Sir/Member
Following for your info
Short Brief of Case (Rank Pay Anomaly of 4th CPC, due to deliberate incorrect implementation by MoD) so far.
Vide order dated 8.3.2010, the Hon’ble Supreme Court was pleased to pass final orders in the T.P. (Civil) No. 56 of 2007 and after transferring, the Writ Petitions pending before the High Courts of Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Allahabad were allowed and W.P. (Civil) Nos. 96 of 2009 and 34 of 2009 pending before the Hon’ble Court were also allowed. The Hon’ble Court also allowed the application for intervention in T.P. (Civil) No. 56 of 2007.
After hearing detailed arguments, the Hon’ble Court agreed with the judgment dated 5.10.1998 passed by the learned Single Judge of the Kerala High Court in O.P. No. 2448 of 1996 and the order dated 4.7.2003 passed by the Hon’ble Division Bench of the Kerala High Court in W.A. No. 518 of 1999 and while upholding the aforesaid judgments and reasoning, directed to pay the rank pay to officers of the Armed Forces retrospectively with effect from 1.1.1986 and also directed to pay 6% interest p.a. accordingly.
Against the aforesaid order dated 8.3.2010, Union of India, the Applicant, has filed an interlocutory application (I.A.) for directions seeking modifications/ directions/recall of order dated 8.3.2010. As advised by our counsel no such provision exists in the Supreme Court to file an IA. In response to this, the RDOA has filed a detailed and comprehensive counter affidavit in the apex court. As per directions of the court UOI will be given four weeks time to file
rejoinder before the case gets listed for disposal.
Off late there have been instances wherein officers who are ill informed about the case have been floating papers / writing to corridors of power / seeking to go to the Supreme Court to vacate the appeal filed by the UOI. Such hasty and half cooked actions will only complicate matters and lead to further delays. RDOA wants to assure all veterans that thorough research has been done on the case before resorting to litigation. Chances of the case floundering are remote,
but if people file litigations in their exuberance on the subject matters the case may go on a tangent and result in loss of benefits.
It is therefore requested that all veterans should refrain from writing / going in for litigation on any issue / point related to the IV Pay Commission rank pay anomaly case.
Your cooperation is highly solicited. There are no brownie points to be scored.
This mail is being circulated to protect the interests of officers so that they do not fall prey to vested interests out to make a fast buck.
For Brig Kamboj only
It is requested that wide publicity be accorded on your RMS network.
For IESL /IESM/ Naval Foundation / Air Force Association only
It is requested that same be passed on your network / website too.
Thanking you
Secy RDOA
Sent: 18 August 2010 07:55
To: IESL League; Vijay Oberoi; Harwant Singh; harwant singh; Exservicemen Joint Action Front Sanjha Morch; Inderjit Singh; Indian Veterans -; ashok joshi
Cc: anand.vkanand49@gmail.com; paramjit_49@yahoo.com; bhupendra sharma; satty; vinod suri
Subject: AN ADVISORY:IV PAY COMMISSION RANK PAY ANOMALY CASE
Dear Sir/Member
Following for your info
Short Brief of Case (Rank Pay Anomaly of 4th CPC, due to deliberate incorrect implementation by MoD) so far.
Vide order dated 8.3.2010, the Hon’ble Supreme Court was pleased to pass final orders in the T.P. (Civil) No. 56 of 2007 and after transferring, the Writ Petitions pending before the High Courts of Kerala, Andhra Pradesh and Allahabad were allowed and W.P. (Civil) Nos. 96 of 2009 and 34 of 2009 pending before the Hon’ble Court were also allowed. The Hon’ble Court also allowed the application for intervention in T.P. (Civil) No. 56 of 2007.
After hearing detailed arguments, the Hon’ble Court agreed with the judgment dated 5.10.1998 passed by the learned Single Judge of the Kerala High Court in O.P. No. 2448 of 1996 and the order dated 4.7.2003 passed by the Hon’ble Division Bench of the Kerala High Court in W.A. No. 518 of 1999 and while upholding the aforesaid judgments and reasoning, directed to pay the rank pay to officers of the Armed Forces retrospectively with effect from 1.1.1986 and also directed to pay 6% interest p.a. accordingly.
Against the aforesaid order dated 8.3.2010, Union of India, the Applicant, has filed an interlocutory application (I.A.) for directions seeking modifications/ directions/recall of order dated 8.3.2010. As advised by our counsel no such provision exists in the Supreme Court to file an IA. In response to this, the RDOA has filed a detailed and comprehensive counter affidavit in the apex court. As per directions of the court UOI will be given four weeks time to file
rejoinder before the case gets listed for disposal.
Off late there have been instances wherein officers who are ill informed about the case have been floating papers / writing to corridors of power / seeking to go to the Supreme Court to vacate the appeal filed by the UOI. Such hasty and half cooked actions will only complicate matters and lead to further delays. RDOA wants to assure all veterans that thorough research has been done on the case before resorting to litigation. Chances of the case floundering are remote,
but if people file litigations in their exuberance on the subject matters the case may go on a tangent and result in loss of benefits.
It is therefore requested that all veterans should refrain from writing / going in for litigation on any issue / point related to the IV Pay Commission rank pay anomaly case.
Your cooperation is highly solicited. There are no brownie points to be scored.
This mail is being circulated to protect the interests of officers so that they do not fall prey to vested interests out to make a fast buck.
For Brig Kamboj only
It is requested that wide publicity be accorded on your RMS network.
For IESL /IESM/ Naval Foundation / Air Force Association only
It is requested that same be passed on your network / website too.
Thanking you
Secy RDOA
Plea from RDOA
Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
Some unscrupulous lawyers in Chandigarh and other cities are trying to mislead retired Defence Officers regarding the Rank Pay Case, the 4th Pay Commission anomaly case. The sad part is that some of these lawyers are ESM or they are being helped by ESM to rope in innocent retired officers to file individual cases for their Rank Pay dues. Inspite detailed information on the subject being disseminated by "REPORT MY SIGNAL" and latest updates being given by ESM websites and ESM Groups, retired officers are falling prey to dirty tricks of such lawyers.
The aim of this email is to save innocent retired Defence officers from such traps.
In 2007, a few dedicated retired officers, created a new organisation “Retired Defence Officers Association”. It is a registered organisation.
Please visit the website http://sites.google.com/site/rdoaindia2/ for more details.
The organisation RDOA was created with the sole aim of fighting against the deliberate injustice done by MoD regarding the Rank Pay after the 4th CPC report was submitted. The RDOA has also been attending to many other ESM welfare related jobs, and has been doing a commendable job.
4th CPC Report introduced Rank Pay for officers for the first time in pay structure of Defence Services.
As per the 4th CPC Report, the Rank Pay was over and above the salary fixed for officers. Some clever Babus deliberately manipulated the figures, deducted the Rank Pay from the salary fixed, thus reducing the salary fixed and then adding the amount granted as Rank Pay. Net result was that the legitimate additional Rank Pay amount was denied to the officers. It was probably done to ensure that Defence Services officers remain lower in status to their ‘equivalents’ in IAS and other Central Services.
The story did not end there.
Since the total pay of officers was cleverly lowered at the time of 4th CPC, it also affected the basic salary fixation of 5th CPC and 6th CPC.
You are requested to read the email received from RDOA, appended below.
Kindly have the gist of this email circulated among all the officers, who do not use computers to keep themselves updated.
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
Jai Hind.
Some unscrupulous lawyers in Chandigarh and other cities are trying to mislead retired Defence Officers regarding the Rank Pay Case, the 4th Pay Commission anomaly case. The sad part is that some of these lawyers are ESM or they are being helped by ESM to rope in innocent retired officers to file individual cases for their Rank Pay dues. Inspite detailed information on the subject being disseminated by "REPORT MY SIGNAL" and latest updates being given by ESM websites and ESM Groups, retired officers are falling prey to dirty tricks of such lawyers.
The aim of this email is to save innocent retired Defence officers from such traps.
In 2007, a few dedicated retired officers, created a new organisation “Retired Defence Officers Association”. It is a registered organisation.
Please visit the website http://sites.google.com/site/rdoaindia2/ for more details.
The organisation RDOA was created with the sole aim of fighting against the deliberate injustice done by MoD regarding the Rank Pay after the 4th CPC report was submitted. The RDOA has also been attending to many other ESM welfare related jobs, and has been doing a commendable job.
4th CPC Report introduced Rank Pay for officers for the first time in pay structure of Defence Services.
As per the 4th CPC Report, the Rank Pay was over and above the salary fixed for officers. Some clever Babus deliberately manipulated the figures, deducted the Rank Pay from the salary fixed, thus reducing the salary fixed and then adding the amount granted as Rank Pay. Net result was that the legitimate additional Rank Pay amount was denied to the officers. It was probably done to ensure that Defence Services officers remain lower in status to their ‘equivalents’ in IAS and other Central Services.
The story did not end there.
Since the total pay of officers was cleverly lowered at the time of 4th CPC, it also affected the basic salary fixation of 5th CPC and 6th CPC.
You are requested to read the email received from RDOA, appended below.
Kindly have the gist of this email circulated among all the officers, who do not use computers to keep themselves updated.
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
Tuesday, August 17, 2010
Well done Hony Lt Pandey by Commodore Surojit Neogi (IN)(Retired) from Kolkata
From: Surojit Neogi
Date: 17 August 2010 07:34
Subject: HEART TOUCHING MAIL OF YOURS IN IESM
To: pandeykameshwar@gmail.com
Cc: prabirgoswami
Dear Kameshwar,
We may not have had the good fortune to have been acquainted either in uniform or in retired life and now settled miles apart. Your mail (forwarded by a dear friend and course-mate) was touching and spoken as a true soldier. What many forget is that "independence" of an individual is limited to the perimeter of one's nose. After which "independence" of others commence. From the stories that I heard from my father (also a vet of IN now late) I shudder to think that those who received independence on a platter cannot fathom the meaning of being under British Yoke. You have penned albeit few lines but have raised the same serious question of propriety and decency. All individuals who criticize are doing so mainly either to flaunt their egoistical superiority or are plain jealous at the accolades received by "pillars" of IESM. Cast them aside, and, let them drift.........
2. Politeness seems to be a thing of past tradition and now feel they have "freedom" to express their thoughts (may be with malice, may be guttural, may be obnoxious) but fail to acknowledge that "if you have nothing to do then don't do it here". Unsupported, unqualified criticism is a trait observed in many Indians. So friend do take heart. You may find yourself amongst like minded individuals albeit a distance apart. Truth is something which cannot be hidden and blurred. Keep at it.
3. Do keep up your good work. God Bless, wish you a happy, peaceful Independence Day (do for the time being set aside PMs speech from Lal Killa) and do enjoy the painful strides you have taken thus far and will do so in future.........................
Regards
Commodore Surojit Neogi (IN)(Retired) from Kolkata
Date: 17 August 2010 07:34
Subject: HEART TOUCHING MAIL OF YOURS IN IESM
To: pandeykameshwar@gmail.com
Cc: prabirgoswami
Dear Kameshwar,
We may not have had the good fortune to have been acquainted either in uniform or in retired life and now settled miles apart. Your mail (forwarded by a dear friend and course-mate) was touching and spoken as a true soldier. What many forget is that "independence" of an individual is limited to the perimeter of one's nose. After which "independence" of others commence. From the stories that I heard from my father (also a vet of IN now late) I shudder to think that those who received independence on a platter cannot fathom the meaning of being under British Yoke. You have penned albeit few lines but have raised the same serious question of propriety and decency. All individuals who criticize are doing so mainly either to flaunt their egoistical superiority or are plain jealous at the accolades received by "pillars" of IESM. Cast them aside, and, let them drift.........
2. Politeness seems to be a thing of past tradition and now feel they have "freedom" to express their thoughts (may be with malice, may be guttural, may be obnoxious) but fail to acknowledge that "if you have nothing to do then don't do it here". Unsupported, unqualified criticism is a trait observed in many Indians. So friend do take heart. You may find yourself amongst like minded individuals albeit a distance apart. Truth is something which cannot be hidden and blurred. Keep at it.
3. Do keep up your good work. God Bless, wish you a happy, peaceful Independence Day (do for the time being set aside PMs speech from Lal Killa) and do enjoy the painful strides you have taken thus far and will do so in future.........................
Regards
Commodore Surojit Neogi (IN)(Retired) from Kolkata
Rs 5051.00 Donatin for Leh by Col Ramcharan
From: Aditya Jaini [mailto:ajbjaini@hotmail.com]
Sent: 17 August 2010 01:53
To: IESM - Gov Body; REPORT MY SIGNALS - CSK; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; IESM - Gen Satbir; IESM- Gandhi V.K.; rajkadyan@yahoo.com
Cc: ramcharan_rami@yahoo.com; IESM Amit Bhaduri- UK
Subject: LEH RELIEF-- CONTRIBUTIONS RECEIVED
Dear Members of Governing Body,
I have recd the following Cheques fm two of our Members /Supporters.
These Cheques will be handed over to Gen Satbir on 22nd Aug rally
1. Col Ramcharan ( Veteran )- SIKH Regt -- Rs 5051/- ( E- Mail =' ramcharan_rami@yahoo.com' )
2. Mr Amit Bhaduri - Ex CISF - now in United Kingdom- Rs 600/- ( E-mail =' abhaduri924@googlemail.com' )
The IESM is THANKFULL to these gentleman for their kind generosity & kind benevolence.
LONG LIVE 'IESM'
LONG LIVE 'ESM' UNITY
'JAI HIND'
Sent: 17 August 2010 01:53
To: IESM - Gov Body; REPORT MY SIGNALS - CSK; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; IESM - Gen Satbir; IESM- Gandhi V.K.; rajkadyan@yahoo.com
Cc: ramcharan_rami@yahoo.com; IESM Amit Bhaduri- UK
Subject: LEH RELIEF-- CONTRIBUTIONS RECEIVED
Dear Members of Governing Body,
I have recd the following Cheques fm two of our Members /Supporters.
These Cheques will be handed over to Gen Satbir on 22nd Aug rally
1. Col Ramcharan ( Veteran )- SIKH Regt -- Rs 5051/- ( E- Mail =' ramcharan_rami@yahoo.com' )
2. Mr Amit Bhaduri - Ex CISF - now in United Kingdom- Rs 600/- ( E-mail =' abhaduri924@googlemail.com' )
The IESM is THANKFULL to these gentleman for their kind generosity & kind benevolence.
LONG LIVE 'IESM'
LONG LIVE 'ESM' UNITY
'JAI HIND'
Rs. 1000 Donation for Leh by Col Israel Jayakaran
From: Israel Jayakaran [mailto:israel@jayakaran.com]
Sent: 16 August 2010 01:48
To: satbir singh
Cc: "REPORT MY SIGNAL"(CS Kamboj)
Subject: For Leh Relief
Dear General,
Today I have despatched cheque No. 142074 of Karur Vysya bank, Chennai.600084, Rs 1,000.00 towards Leh Relief fund.
Kindly acknowledge as and when the cheque is received and realised.
Yours
Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), Signals, Chennai..
Sent: 16 August 2010 01:48
To: satbir singh
Cc: "REPORT MY SIGNAL"(CS Kamboj)
Subject: For Leh Relief
Dear General,
Today I have despatched cheque No. 142074 of Karur Vysya bank, Chennai.600084, Rs 1,000.00 towards Leh Relief fund.
Kindly acknowledge as and when the cheque is received and realised.
Yours
Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), Signals, Chennai..
Rs. 20000 donation for Leh by Lt Col ( Retd) Narinder Singh Bhandari
From: narinder bhandari [mailto:narinder_bhandari@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 16 August 2010 03:23
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com; seekayess@gmail.com
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Leh Relief Fund
Dear Satbir jee,
Re.20.000( twenty Thousands only)were deposited in Ac/ No 06162000001330 , HDFC Bank, for Leh Relief vide HDFC Bank Cheque No 136443 dated 16 Aug 2010.
For information , and necessary action please.
Sincerely,
Lt Col ( Retd) Narinder Singh Bhandari
House No 62, Sector 27 A , Chandigarh 160019.
Sent: 16 August 2010 03:23
To: satbirsm@yahoo.com; seekayess@gmail.com
Cc: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Leh Relief Fund
Dear Satbir jee,
Re.20.000( twenty Thousands only)were deposited in Ac/ No 06162000001330 , HDFC Bank, for Leh Relief vide HDFC Bank Cheque No 136443 dated 16 Aug 2010.
For information , and necessary action please.
Sincerely,
Lt Col ( Retd) Narinder Singh Bhandari
House No 62, Sector 27 A , Chandigarh 160019.
Sad demise of IESM member , IC-12761 Brig CK Namasivayam, Engrs.
Brigadier CS Kamboj, VSM., VETERAN,
Email ID – kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
“REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG” – http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com
IESM UPDATES AND MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION – http://www.iesm.org/
SANJHA MORCHA WEBSITE - http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/
Dear Friends,
I am sad to inform you about the demise of a member of IESM, IC-12761 Brig CK Namasivayam, Engineers.
He left for his heavenly abode at 11.30 AM, on 17 Aug 10 (IST).
Next of Kin.
Mrs Hema Namasivayam, relation not yet known to me, probably wife, phone - 044-42136748
E1/183, AWHO Parameswaran Vihar, 67, Arcot Road, Saligramam, Chennai 600093.
Cremation.
Likely to take place on 18 August 2010, in Chennai.
For more details, kindly see the email received from Col TN Raman appended below.
We pray to ALMIGHTY to give peace to the departed soul and strength to near ones and dear ones to bear this irreparable loss.
In sorrow – Chander Kamboj
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SECONDLY.
General Rule for publishing of an Obituary on "REPORT MY SIGNAL". –
1. Obituary pertaining to any Veteran of The Corps of Signals of Indian Army, of any rank and settled anywhere in the world is published.
"REPORT MY SIGNAL" has a special blog also for “SHRADHANJLI” to Signals veterans at http://reportmysignal-shradhanjli.blogspot.com/.
The Blog of Shradhanjli is exclusive for Signals Veterans of any rank or people of the stature of Sam Bahadur or Late Cdr N Radhakrishanan.Cdr Radhakrishnan spent all his retired life looking after ESM and their welfare.
His contributions to ECHS are known to few only but till he breathed his last – he was writing a paper on the system improvements required in ECHS.
With his demise we lost a great thinker and an important link between the ESM and the top politicians.
2. "REPORT MY SIGNAL" also publishes obituaries pertaining to members of IESM but these are not placed on our Blog “Shradhanjli”.
In the recent past, I have started receiving large number of obituaries pertaining to ESM.
Kindly appreciate that if I was to publish all those obituaries – "REPORT MY SIGNAL" will not be able to do its self-assigned role of carrying the “VOICE OF VETERANS” to you all.
My apology to all those ESM who have been sending the obituaries of the ESM known to them but were not published by me.
I hope you all appreciate my constraints.
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
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Email ID – kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
“REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG” – http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com
IESM UPDATES AND MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION – http://www.iesm.org/
SANJHA MORCHA WEBSITE - http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/
Dear Friends,
I am sad to inform you about the demise of a member of IESM, IC-12761 Brig CK Namasivayam, Engineers.
He left for his heavenly abode at 11.30 AM, on 17 Aug 10 (IST).
Next of Kin.
Mrs Hema Namasivayam, relation not yet known to me, probably wife, phone - 044-42136748
E1/183, AWHO Parameswaran Vihar, 67, Arcot Road, Saligramam, Chennai 600093.
Cremation.
Likely to take place on 18 August 2010, in Chennai.
For more details, kindly see the email received from Col TN Raman appended below.
We pray to ALMIGHTY to give peace to the departed soul and strength to near ones and dear ones to bear this irreparable loss.
In sorrow – Chander Kamboj
--------
SECONDLY.
General Rule for publishing of an Obituary on "REPORT MY SIGNAL". –
1. Obituary pertaining to any Veteran of The Corps of Signals of Indian Army, of any rank and settled anywhere in the world is published.
"REPORT MY SIGNAL" has a special blog also for “SHRADHANJLI” to Signals veterans at http://reportmysignal-shradhanjli.blogspot.com/.
The Blog of Shradhanjli is exclusive for Signals Veterans of any rank or people of the stature of Sam Bahadur or Late Cdr N Radhakrishanan.Cdr Radhakrishnan spent all his retired life looking after ESM and their welfare.
His contributions to ECHS are known to few only but till he breathed his last – he was writing a paper on the system improvements required in ECHS.
With his demise we lost a great thinker and an important link between the ESM and the top politicians.
2. "REPORT MY SIGNAL" also publishes obituaries pertaining to members of IESM but these are not placed on our Blog “Shradhanjli”.
In the recent past, I have started receiving large number of obituaries pertaining to ESM.
Kindly appreciate that if I was to publish all those obituaries – "REPORT MY SIGNAL" will not be able to do its self-assigned role of carrying the “VOICE OF VETERANS” to you all.
My apology to all those ESM who have been sending the obituaries of the ESM known to them but were not published by me.
I hope you all appreciate my constraints.
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
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appeal by Brig CS Kamboj for 22 Aug 2010
Brigadier CS Kamboj, VSM., VETERAN,
Email ID – kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
“REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG” – http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com
IESM UPDATES AND MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION – http://www.iesm.org/
SANJHA MORCHA WEBSITE - http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/
Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
The Press Release issued by IESM on 17 Aug 10 is appended below.
It pertains to an ESM rally being held at Jantar Mantar Road, Near Jantar Mantar, New Delhi, on Sunday, 22 Aug 10.
Help from you all is essential to make this rally a grand success.
How Can You all Help.
1. Please get in touch with all the media persons you know and ensure that maximum possible coverage is provided to the rally planned at Jantar Mantar.
We need the TV coverage and the print media coverage. Please leave no stone unturned to muster media support.
Kindly do not expect to be approached individually by HQ IESM to seek your help for media.
You all are part of this mass movement for Justice for Defence Services so kindly act without personal request being made to you.
2. Those of you living in NCR and around, should join the ESM rally at Jantar Mantar Road, on Sunday, 22 Aug 10, from 11.00 AM to 3.00 PM.
We are also trying to muster ESM from other states for this rally, but we expect you all living in NCR to turn up in big numbers.
Not only you and your family members should join, but motivate others also to join in.
Drinking Water and simple tea arrangements are being made at the site.
Police has been informed to maintain law and order.
The rally will be entirely peaceful and in keeping with the military ethos.
We all are soldiers. So don’t be cowed down by bad weather, if the weather happens to be bad.
BE A SOLDIER AND JOIN THE RALLY.
IT IS MY MOST HUMBLE APPEAL TO YOU ALL.
I HOPE YOU ALL WILL PLEASE OBLIGE.
3. How To Reach The Rally Site.
a. A map of the area is attached.
b. Best way would be to come by Metro to the Patel Chowk Metro Station. The rally site is just 5 to 7 minutes walk from the Metro Station.
Clean toilet facilities are also available at Patel Chowk Metro Station.
c. If you are coming by own transport, park the vehicle at the underground parking of Palika Bazar at Connaught Place. From there cross over to Parliament Street through the subway. On Parliament Street, go pass the Jantar Mantar. When you reach the Parliament Street and Tolstoy Marg Crossing, (Tolstoy Marg connects Parliament Street to Janpath and goes beyond), turn left along the Jantar Mantar boundary wall. After you walk for another two minutes – you will find Jantar Mantar Road on your Right and you will see prominent shamianas of the Rally. Jantar Mantar Road is almost parallel to Janpath, in between Janpath and Parliament Street. You may also approach the Rally site from Janpath or Ashok Road, if you know the place well. Other good parking places are the Patel Chowk Metro Station or Park Hotel on Parliament Street. Patel Chowk Metro car parking is easiest to approach from the Ashok Road. I may remind you that on the Rally Day the traffic on the Jantar Mantar Road is not permitted, unless you come very early in the morning – so plan parking as suggested above.
d. If you come by Metro to Patel Chowk, come out from the exit towards Jantar Mantar Road, come on two the Jantar Mantar Road and look to your left – you will see the ESM Rally Shamianas 50 metre away.
Friends kindly appreciate that just a few members of IESM, no matter how hard they work, cannot get justice for all the ESM.
We all have to heave along with them and give them full support and boost up their morale.
IT IS NOW OR NEVER
PLEASE JOIN IN LARGE NUMBERS
MAKE THE RALLY ON 22 AUGUST A GRAND SUCCESS.LET THE INDIAN POLITICIANS, THE BABUS AND PUBLIC
SEE THE UNITY AND VOTE BANK OF THE ESM
WE MUST GET JUSTICE FOR DEFENCE SERVICES
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
Copy to – Shree Abhijit C. Chandra – Chief of Bureau UNI – we look forward to your support in a big way.-------------
Email ID – kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
“REPORT MY SIGNAL - BLOG” – http://reportmysignal.blogspot.com
IESM UPDATES AND MEMBERSHIP REGISTRATION – http://www.iesm.org/
SANJHA MORCHA WEBSITE - http://sanjhamorcha2009.blogspot.com/
Dear Friends,
Jai Hind.
The Press Release issued by IESM on 17 Aug 10 is appended below.
It pertains to an ESM rally being held at Jantar Mantar Road, Near Jantar Mantar, New Delhi, on Sunday, 22 Aug 10.
Help from you all is essential to make this rally a grand success.
How Can You all Help.
1. Please get in touch with all the media persons you know and ensure that maximum possible coverage is provided to the rally planned at Jantar Mantar.
We need the TV coverage and the print media coverage. Please leave no stone unturned to muster media support.
Kindly do not expect to be approached individually by HQ IESM to seek your help for media.
You all are part of this mass movement for Justice for Defence Services so kindly act without personal request being made to you.
2. Those of you living in NCR and around, should join the ESM rally at Jantar Mantar Road, on Sunday, 22 Aug 10, from 11.00 AM to 3.00 PM.
We are also trying to muster ESM from other states for this rally, but we expect you all living in NCR to turn up in big numbers.
Not only you and your family members should join, but motivate others also to join in.
Drinking Water and simple tea arrangements are being made at the site.
Police has been informed to maintain law and order.
The rally will be entirely peaceful and in keeping with the military ethos.
We all are soldiers. So don’t be cowed down by bad weather, if the weather happens to be bad.
BE A SOLDIER AND JOIN THE RALLY.
IT IS MY MOST HUMBLE APPEAL TO YOU ALL.
I HOPE YOU ALL WILL PLEASE OBLIGE.
3. How To Reach The Rally Site.
a. A map of the area is attached.
b. Best way would be to come by Metro to the Patel Chowk Metro Station. The rally site is just 5 to 7 minutes walk from the Metro Station.
Clean toilet facilities are also available at Patel Chowk Metro Station.
c. If you are coming by own transport, park the vehicle at the underground parking of Palika Bazar at Connaught Place. From there cross over to Parliament Street through the subway. On Parliament Street, go pass the Jantar Mantar. When you reach the Parliament Street and Tolstoy Marg Crossing, (Tolstoy Marg connects Parliament Street to Janpath and goes beyond), turn left along the Jantar Mantar boundary wall. After you walk for another two minutes – you will find Jantar Mantar Road on your Right and you will see prominent shamianas of the Rally. Jantar Mantar Road is almost parallel to Janpath, in between Janpath and Parliament Street. You may also approach the Rally site from Janpath or Ashok Road, if you know the place well. Other good parking places are the Patel Chowk Metro Station or Park Hotel on Parliament Street. Patel Chowk Metro car parking is easiest to approach from the Ashok Road. I may remind you that on the Rally Day the traffic on the Jantar Mantar Road is not permitted, unless you come very early in the morning – so plan parking as suggested above.
d. If you come by Metro to Patel Chowk, come out from the exit towards Jantar Mantar Road, come on two the Jantar Mantar Road and look to your left – you will see the ESM Rally Shamianas 50 metre away.
Friends kindly appreciate that just a few members of IESM, no matter how hard they work, cannot get justice for all the ESM.
We all have to heave along with them and give them full support and boost up their morale.
IT IS NOW OR NEVER
PLEASE JOIN IN LARGE NUMBERS
MAKE THE RALLY ON 22 AUGUST A GRAND SUCCESS.LET THE INDIAN POLITICIANS, THE BABUS AND PUBLIC
SEE THE UNITY AND VOTE BANK OF THE ESM
WE MUST GET JUSTICE FOR DEFENCE SERVICES
In service of Indian Military VeteransChander Kamboj.
Copy to – Shree Abhijit C. Chandra – Chief of Bureau UNI – we look forward to your support in a big way.-------------
Monday, August 16, 2010
Rs. 2100 donation for LEh by Brig SC Malik
On 16 August 2010 15:09, subhash chander malik wrote:
Sir,
I have today deposited Rs 2100.00 towards Leh Relief Fund in the HDFC Branch of Lonavala. The receipt is attached.
My congratulations to you and all the other veterans for the efforts being put in by you.
With warm regards and best wishes,
Sincerely,
Brig SC Malik(retd)
Sir,
I have today deposited Rs 2100.00 towards Leh Relief Fund in the HDFC Branch of Lonavala. The receipt is attached.
My congratulations to you and all the other veterans for the efforts being put in by you.
With warm regards and best wishes,
Sincerely,
Brig SC Malik(retd)
IESM- "Voice of the Veterans"..Views bY Col Raman on article by Hony Lt Pandey
Dear Veterans,
It is obvious that the words of Veteran Hony Lt Kameshwar Pandey, were from his heart. One of the original members of IESM right from its inception, his singular contributions & achievements for the cause of IESM is morale booster for all of us.
There are members who offer constructive criticism & many of their views are taken in the spirit they are projected. I am not mentioning the direct insinuation by a Veteran against our VC, because I do not want to elevate his remarks to a subject worthy of discussion. An extract of my mail pertaining to the TV discussion, "Defence Watch" is given below.
The relevance of IESM cannot be wished away either by the Govt or by other ESM Organisations. Praveen Davar, Secretary, AICC, has projected a veiled threat of forming of a new ESM outfit, named Indian Ex-Servicemen Association (IESA). May be it is to thwart any attempt of ESL & IESM converging on at least some of the issues, as evidenced in the TV show. So, we will have IESL, IESM & IESA.
What ever may be the intention of the originator of such schemes, which are directed to ensure a split amongst the ESM Organisations, the fact remains that it is the IESM which has created such a psychological impact on the dormant ESM community, which the Govt is not able to ignore.
Therefore, we can rightfully claim the title of the "Voice of the Veterans".
May I humbly suggest that, hereafter, we make our letter head as given below:-
Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement
( Voice of the Veterans)
To start with the same can be depicted in our RMS.
Regards & Best wishes,
Veteran Raman
(Extracts of my mail on the TV Programme)
"Defence Watch
This was the first time that the two stalwarts from IESL & IESM faced each other in a discussion, not to fight each other, but to lay a path of coexistence. Brig Gulia was there, as a matter of right. He has the numbers & the recognition by the Govt. Whereas, Maj Gen Satbir Singh was there, due to the psychological impact the IESM had made with much smaller membership base. In a span of couple of years, IESM has become the "Voice of the Veterans". The result is obvious. The Govt cannot ignore its presence. Do the numbers really matter?"
Veteran Raman
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